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g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
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He Quits His Church After Yet Another Controversy.

Was he pressured to do this and even if he wasn't which church does he choose to attend if ANY?

Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Might just be the most change I've seen from him this far.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Might just be the most change I've seen from him this far.

    GOOD ONE. :D I think you're better comedian than a drummer. :)

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Might just be the most change I've seen from him this far.

    Oh, snap!!!!

    (That WAS good ...)
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    i hope they make a reality show out of how he picks his next church.
  • wwfairfieldwwfairfield Posts: 216
    i was pumping gas today and a black man came up and asked me for "change"
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Does anyone know what he actually plans to change and how he plans to do it?
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    MrSmith wrote:
    i hope they make a reality show out of how he picks his next church.

    No need to worry, Fox News will handle that request quite well.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    unsung wrote:
    Does anyone know what he actually plans to change and how he plans to do it?


    no.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Rhinocerous SurpriseRhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    no.

    But he's talked about it for so long now. Surely it's not all *GASP* empty rhetoric? From a politician?!?! :eek:
    Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    But he's talked about it for so long now. Surely it's not all *GASP* empty rhetoric? From a politician?!?! :eek:

    Change we can believe in = oh yeah, I meant same old shit


    Not that any of it matters...as long as the sound bytes are catchy and charisma is flowing.

    what's funny is how the lefties around here bitched in 04 about people saying how they liked Bush because he was 'down to earth' and he was 'a guy you'd like to have a beer with'. Now that it's their candidate...charisma is all you need, apparently. Sing us that next pretty fairy tale.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Change we can believe in = oh yeah, I meant same old shit


    Not that any of it matters...as long as the sound bytes are catchy and charisma is flowing.

    what's funny is how the lefties around here bitched in 04 about people saying how they liked Bush because he was 'down to earth' and he was 'a guy you'd like to have a beer with'. Now that it's their candidate...charisma is all you need, apparently. Sing us that next pretty fairy tale.

    Meanwhile, the Republicans are running a candidate who thinks he's a Democrat. It's like the bizzaro election!!!
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Fool me three times...shame on ?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • Rhinocerous SurpriseRhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Change we can believe in = oh yeah, I meant same old shit


    Not that any of it matters...as long as the sound bytes are catchy and charisma is flowing.

    what's funny is how the lefties around here bitched in 04 about people saying how they liked Bush because he was 'down to earth' and he was 'a guy you'd like to have a beer with'. Now that it's their candidate...charisma is all you need, apparently. Sing us that next pretty fairy tale.

    But Obama's part of the Demmiecrat party, so it's okay to like him for whatever reasons they can find. It's as if the two Bush tenures were part of some huge door-in-the-face technique to make every politician ever seem palatable by comparison.
    Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    But Obama's part of the Demmiecrat party, so it's okay to like him for whatever reasons they can find. It's as if the two Bush tenures were part of some huge door-in-the-face technique to make every politician ever seem palatable by comparison.


    funny ppl demonize bush now (and rightly so) and yet...so much of the 2 party's policies are the same. why just bush/cheney???? the foreign policies are almost exactly identical! you hear very little criticism about clinton other than getting a blow job then lying about it under oath. how the democrats have this image as an opposition party is beyond me

    change we can believe in...until after election day, then we can all go back to bitching about the 2 party's being worthless and ineffectual

    powered by naivety
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Meanwhile, the Republicans are running a candidate who thinks he's a Democrat. It's like the bizzaro election!!!


    haven't you heard???? he's the 2nd coming of bush!!! mcbush, mcwar, 100 years of war....:rolleyes:
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Rhinocerous SurpriseRhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    El_Kabong wrote:
    funny ppl demonize bush now (and rightly so) and yet...so much of the 2 party's policies are the same. why just bush/cheney???? the foreign policies are almost exactly identical! you hear very little criticism about clinton other than getting a blow job then lying about it under oath. how the democrats have this image as an opposition party is beyond me

    change we can believe in...until after election day, then we can all go back to bitching about the 2 party's being worthless and ineffectual

    powered by naivety

    Foresight and hindsight don't seem to have much relevance in politics. It's all about what sounds good now - that's why Bush being out of office is a good thing, and electing someone who talks a good game with very little to back it up seems like the best idea in the world.
    Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Naivety 08!
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Foresight and hindsight don't seem to have much relevance in politics. It's all about what sounds good now - that's why Bush being out of office is a good thing, and electing someone who talks a good game with very little to back it up seems like the best idea in the world.


    no doubt. they say nader should instead be elected to the senate before running for president...but look at obama! he went to court and had everyone else thrown off the ballot or kept going to court until they dropped out...then he goes to washington, supports all the hawks, misses almost 1/2 of the votes in the senate...so nader's long resume isn't good enough, but obama winning an uncontested race and pretty much doing nothing but go on a nonstop media tour is somehow better?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • bingerbinger Posts: 179
    I don't get this. Obama's average donation is $100. No big money and he's got plenty of money to go. Hillary is in the red and McSame is borrowing heavily from W's name. He's run a relatively clean campaign against Hillary AND the Repugs and he's winning! I don't expect the guy to do miracles but I think he's a step in the right direction, especially if he can get Edwards, Kucinich, NADER(!!!) in his administration. So there! Thphtphptphpthptphp!!
    I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    binger wrote:
    I don't get this. Obama's average donation is $100. No big money and he's got plenty of money to go. Hillary is in the red and McSame is borrowing heavily from W's name. He's run a relatively clean campaign against Hillary AND the Repugs and he's winning! I don't expect the guy to do miracles but I think he's a step in the right direction, especially if he can get Edwards, Kucinich, NADER(!!!) in his administration. So there! Thphtphptphpthptphp!!


    except for the more than 1/4 of a million dollars he's recieved from a single nuclear power company

    http://jischinger.wordpress.com/2008/02/24/obama%E2%80%99s-money-cartel/

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=275309

    on top of all the other corporate and lobbyist money he's taken in

    what direction is he going that is the right one? lying about taking money and giving jobs to lobbyists?


    if ya want a step in the right direction:
    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=286746

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=283448

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=275309
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    El_Kabong wrote:
    except for the more than 1/4 of a million dollars he's recieved from a single nuclear power company

    http://jischinger.wordpress.com/2008/02/24/obama%E2%80%99s-money-cartel/

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=275309

    on top of all the other corporate and lobbyist money he's taken in

    what direction is he going that is the right one? lying about taking money and giving jobs to lobbyists?


    if ya want a step in the right direction:
    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=286746

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=283448

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=275309



    and
    http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5409414&postcount=21
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • bingerbinger Posts: 179
    El_Kabong wrote:
    except for the more than 1/4 of a million dollars he's recieved from a single nuclear power company

    http://jischinger.wordpress.com/2008/02/24/obama%E2%80%99s-money-cartel/

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=275309

    on top of all the other corporate and lobbyist money he's taken in

    what direction is he going that is the right one? lying about taking money and giving jobs to lobbyists?


    if ya want a step in the right direction:
    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=286746

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=283448

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=275309

    Wow! Wouldn't want to meet that guy in a dark alley. Surprised there aren't horns.

    "These seven Wall Street firms are (in order of money given): Goldman Sachs, UBS AG, Lehman Brothers, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley and Credit Suisse. There is also a large hedge fund, Citadel Investment Group, which is a major source of fee income to Wall Street. There are five large corporate law firms that are also registered lobbyists; and one is a corporate law firm that is no longer a registered lobbyist but does legal work for Wall Street. The cumula*tive total of these 14 contributors through February 1, 2008, was $2,872,128, and we’re still in the primary season."

    According to what I've heard (too lazy to look it up) Obama has recieved 100 million(guessing sort of) in donations. I wouldn't call that being in the pocket of lobbyists. I believe that is McCain's job. Obama's average donation is around $100 dollars and he's winning. What more do you want from a candidate. The truth? Kucinich tried that and he lost. Nader isn't a viable candidate but he belongs somewhere in government. Hillary is McCain lite and McCain is Bush. I guess I don't see what the problem is.
    I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    binger wrote:
    Wow! Wouldn't want to meet that guy in a dark alley. Surprised there aren't horns.

    "These seven Wall Street firms are (in order of money given): Goldman Sachs, UBS AG, Lehman Brothers, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley and Credit Suisse. There is also a large hedge fund, Citadel Investment Group, which is a major source of fee income to Wall Street. There are five large corporate law firms that are also registered lobbyists; and one is a corporate law firm that is no longer a registered lobbyist but does legal work for Wall Street. The cumula*tive total of these 14 contributors through February 1, 2008, was $2,872,128, and we’re still in the primary season."

    According to what I've heard (too lazy to look it up) Obama has recieved 100 million(guessing sort of) in donations. I wouldn't call that being in the pocket of lobbyists. I believe that is McCain's job. Obama's average donation is around $100 dollars and he's winning. What more do you want from a candidate. The truth? Kucinich tried that and he lost. Nader isn't a viable candidate but he belongs somewhere in government. Hillary is McCain lite and McCain is Bush. I guess I don't see what the problem is.



    ummmm yeah, i want the truth, why don't you?? you're ok w/ being lied to? it's not about 'winning' it's about standing up for what's right. sorry, i'm putting my foot down and i'm not just gonna roll over and give in to a faux opposition party

    nader isn't viable b/c ppl are too chickenshit to vote for him, which i'm not.

    he has lied, he lied about a pharmaceutical lobbyist being the chair of his election campaign in new hampshire.

    he went from 'lobbyists won't have a job in my white house!!!' to 'lobbyists won't dominate my whitehouse!!'

    among other things

    but if you're ok w/ that, then by all means...

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/10/AR2008041004045.html?hpid=topnews&loc=interstitialskip
    Big Donors Among Obama's Grass Roots
    'Bundlers' Have a Voice in Campaign
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Foresight and hindsight don't seem to have much relevance in politics. It's all about what sounds good now - that's why Bush being out of office is a good thing, and electing someone who talks a good game with very little to back it up seems like the best idea in the world.
    Exactly!! :)
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

    http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta

    Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
  • bingerbinger Posts: 179
    No I don't like being lied to. But I understand that we have one of three choices at this moment. This person is going to be making choices for our country for at least the next 4 years including Supreme Court Judges. I don't want that person to be Bush 2. For me it is that simple. Nader can't win. Our country is too entrenched in a 2 party system. So its Obama or McCain.

    Serious question. Who would you choose?
    I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    binger wrote:
    No I don't like being lied to. But I understand that we have one of three choices at this moment. This person is going to be making choices for our country for at least the next 4 years including Supreme Court Judges. I don't want that person to be Bush 2. For me it is that simple. Nader can't win. Our country is too entrenched in a 2 party system. So its Obama or McCain.

    Serious question. Who would you choose?
    So you are making a fear choice then?
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

    http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta

    Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    binger wrote:
    No I don't like being lied to. But I understand that we have one of three choices at this moment. This person is going to be making choices for our country for at least the next 4 years including Supreme Court Judges. I don't want that person to be Bush 2. For me it is that simple. Nader can't win. Our country is too entrenched in a 2 party system. So its Obama or McCain.

    Serious question. Who would you choose?


    i choose nader/gonzalez.

    and if not them i would write in kucinich, b/c the only way i can possibly waste my vote is to throw it away on someone who i know is lying to my face. i'm not gonna vote against somebody, as you are w/ mccain, i'm voting FOR somebody

    you are limiting yourself, not our country. as long as you keep in line NOTHING will change. you have more than those 3 choices. we will never have progress or see any substantial form of change as long as we just shrug and give in and say 'i guess that's the best we can do....' the only way to affect change is to demand it and stand behind it, you can't do it half assed.

    by this logic rosa parks should've just gotten up, right?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    El_Kabong wrote:
    i choose nader/gonzalez.

    you are limiting yourself, not our country. as long as you keep in line NOTHING will change. you have more than those 3 choices. we will never have progress or see any substantial form of change as long as we just shrug and give in and say 'i guess that's the best we can do....' the only way to affect change is to demand it and stand behind it, you can't do it half assed.

    by this logic rosa parks should've just gotten up, right?
    Well said!! :)
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

    http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta

    Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
  • MattyJoeMattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    El_Kabong wrote:
    funny ppl demonize bush now (and rightly so) and yet...so much of the 2 party's policies are the same. why just bush/cheney???? the foreign policies are almost exactly identical! you hear very little criticism about clinton other than getting a blow job then lying about it under oath. how the democrats have this image as an opposition party is beyond me

    change we can believe in...until after election day, then we can all go back to bitching about the 2 party's being worthless and ineffectual

    powered by naivety

    Good post, totally agree with you.

    Obama continues to disassociate himself with all of these controversies claiming that they don't represent who he really is or what he believes in. The problem is that he hasn't shown us who he ACTUALLY is or what he believes in. How can he expect us to not judge him by his associates when he has given us nothing else to judge him by? Who the fuck is this guy? He has hardly any experience, has been involved in numerous (I will admit, somewhat overblown) controversies, associates himself with some very "interesting" people, and basically claims to believe (although he would highly resent this statement) the same stuff as Hilary, who, in my opinion, has MUCH more experience and personal conviction than him. How he got so popular is mind boggling...
    I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
    -Reagan
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    angelica wrote:
    Well said!! :)


    said aid aid aid

    :D
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
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