No Rules, No Authority

Juberoo

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

First things first ...catch and turn all the ex politicians into soap...

ewwww who would use it? That would be like trying to get clean using motor oil!

rarghrargh-brownstar

Juberoo wrote:

simple mind exercises

yeah I understand.

I guess it makes you stronger in your own beliefs, coming to stronger conclusions in what you side with it.

On the other hand, its more difficult to see the other side. Thats the hardest challenge especially when you think a certain statements are unfathomable. I also like hearing new insights, or looking at issues in a whole new way due to all the responses.....

Personally, I know it makes me face issues that I dont always want to face...just from being lazy or just uncomfortable with a subject.

So thanks eveyrone....

Lord of the Flies!

Ahnimus

There have been and is plenty of stateless societies if that's what you imply. By enlarge people aren't unruly, in-fact most of our so-called moral values are genetically determined.

People who think there would be anarchy without laws are truly frightening. Our only way of imagining what other's might do is by introspection. The man who says he would murder his neighbour, if not for the fear of God, is a frightening man as well.

A Canadian Libertarian Stefan Molyneaux writes about his imagined stateless society here. I have some personal issues with Stef and wouldn't recommend his philosophy to anyone, but he does write brilliantly on the idea.

Eliot Rosewater

surferdude wrote:

We'd be like congress, completely immoral, out of control with no compassion for anyone.

Speak for yourself. Rules and authority aren't what make me who I am. And I don't think the majority of people would turn into psychopaths like most politicians are. Most people have a conscience. The only way filthy lawmakers don't all commit suicide is because over time they've learned to shut off the part of their brains that tells them what they're doing is wrong. I believe it's a serious medical condition that the majority of citizens don't have. The average citizen is just lazy and uneducated and become the prey of psychopaths.

Eliot Rosewater

Ahnimus wrote:

People who think there would be anarchy without laws are truly frightening. Our only way of imagining what other's might do is by introspection. The man who says he would murder his neighbour, if not for the fear of God, is a frightening man as well.

This is true. That's why it's so important for people to establish their morals and values OUTSIDE of religion.

I live in Utah where mormonism is predominant. This isn't a shot at their religion or anyone else's. But I've seen over and over and over again someone who won't drink, smoke, have sex, etc. because the religion tells them not to. But then if they have the slightest bit of doubt about the religion they fucking go off the deep end and turn into a cracked out thief manwhore or HIV skank with no morals whatsoever. They were only trying to live a good life because they thought it's the only way to get to heaven and become a god or whatever. So take away god and they have no other reason to live good lives. It's fucking insane.

Those are the types of people that might cause some chaos without rules. But overall I think we'd be fine. I really think it would balance out and the world would probably even be a better place.

Juberoo

don't gimme no wrote:

This is true. That's why it's so important for people to establish their morals and values OUTSIDE of religion.

I live in Utah where mormonism is predominant. This isn't a shot at their religion or anyone else's. But I've seen over and over and over again someone who won't drink, smoke, have sex, etc. because the religion tells them not to. But then if they have the slightest bit of doubt about the religion they fucking go off the deep end and turn into a cracked out thief manwhore or HIV skank with no morals whatsoever. They were only trying to live a good life because they thought it's the only way to get to heaven and become a god or whatever. So take away god and they have no other reason to live good lives. It's fucking insane.

Those are the types of people that might cause some chaos without rules. But overall I think we'd be fine. I really think it would balance out and the world would probably even be a better place.

Good point....let me ask this....cuz your comments made me think....do you think that there is fanaticism just as strong among the anti-religious?

BTW...the manwhore comment made me laugh!!! Too funny!

soulsinging

godpt3 wrote:

It would be a helluva a lot easier for me to kill stupid mofos, without those pesky murder laws in the way, that's for damn sure.


*grab yer body bags and step right up*

yep, id clean up the moving train REAL good. show cw just how pussy this liberal isn't.

we'd end up banding together in small groups and it would probably make most people happier. humans are social creatures and need to feel part of something. that's the problem with america now... no sense of community. for all our instant communication, we are more isolated than ever. it's why religion is attractive. it's why politics have become more about partisanship and less about civic duty. it's why this forum has thrived so much. with no laws, people would bond based on shared interests and be happier and closer to their fellow for it.

on the other hand, we'd be down to survival of the fittest and i'd make damn sure i'm fit.

hippiemom

soulsinging wrote:

yep, id clean up the moving train REAL good. show cw just how pussy this liberal isn't.

When you, me & the rest of the crew got done, they'd never know what hit 'em

soulsinging

hippiemom wrote:

When you, me & the rest of the crew got done, they'd never know what hit 'em

nope. im picturing the last 15 minutes of the godfather...

Austicman

Juberoo wrote:

What do you think would happen to society/the world if there were no rules, no authority, no government etc.

Its not possible. As soon as the current authority is torn down a new one will form to take its place whether it be to rule with an iron fist or for the betterment of the human race or even just for their own protection they will eventually impose rules and authority again. Anarchy is an illusion and even the Mad Max scenario has a leader imposing his will on others.

surferdude

don't gimme no wrote:

Speak for yourself. Rules and authority aren't what make me who I am. And I don't think the majority of people would turn into psychopaths like most politicians are. Most people have a conscience. The only way filthy lawmakers don't all commit suicide is because over time they've learned to shut off the part of their brains that tells them what they're doing is wrong. I believe it's a serious medical condition that the majority of citizens don't have. The average citizen is just lazy and uneducated and become the prey of psychopaths.

I think that it's a very small percentage that would cause the problems to start with. But the real shit would hit the fan when there's no society or societal norms to address the problems.

Jeanie

Austicman wrote:

Its not possible. As soon as the current authority is torn down a new one will form to take its place whether it be to rule with an iron fist or for the betterment of the human race or even just for their own protection they will eventually impose rules and authority again. Anarchy is an illusion and even the Mad Max scenario has a leader imposing his will on others.

I agree. People need to gather together, be organized and have rules and regulations simply to survive. Hopefully it would be awhile before it got so bloody complicated again though.

Juberoo

Jeanie wrote:

I agree. People need to gather together, be organized and have rules and regulations simply to survive. Hopefully it would be awhile before it got so bloody complicated again though.

So then who would you allow to make the rules and why would you follow them when you have issues with current authority?

Juberoo

surferdude wrote:

I think that it's a very small percentage that would cause the problems to start with. But the real shit would hit the fan when there's no society or societal norms to address the problems.

Who determines these norms? And how do you get the masses to follow them?

Juberoo

Austicman wrote:

Its not possible. As soon as the current authority is torn down a new one will form to take its place whether it be to rule with an iron fist or for the betterment of the human race or even just for their own protection they will eventually impose rules and authority again. Anarchy is an illusion and even the Mad Max scenario has a leader imposing his will on others.

Which leads to the question....who imposes the authority and how do they get that power?

catefrances

Juberoo wrote:

Which leads to the question....who imposes the authority and how do they get that power?

power is taken not given. the person who thinks they are the strongest will rise and take what he sees as his. he will gather his minions and if you oppose him you will be dealt with.

Juberoo

catefrances wrote:

power is taken not given. the person who thinks they are the strongest will rise and take what he sees as his. he will gather his minions and if you oppose him you will be dealt with.

Just as it is now.

Jeanie

Juberoo wrote:

Just as it is now. Yet so many buck that knowledge and strive for me-ism in a futile attempt to rise above authority. It's the whole ignorant thought process that says "You can't tell me what to do". You can be told, you are being told and your fighting it is only going to lead to your dissatisfaction in life. So unless you are stronger than the powers that be, your fight is futile.

Well I'd rather be me than you! All the wholier than though, blind faith in god and the government must be so peaceful, almost like being drugged! Yeah, now that I think about it, that's exactly what seems to be going on here. You're drugged!

Juberoo

Jeanie wrote:

Well I'd rather be me than you! All the wholier than though, blind faith in god and the government must be so peaceful, almost like being drugged! Yeah, now that I think about it, that's exactly what seems to be going on here. You're drugged!

The blind faith is in the your idea that you can buck society and get away with it.

Jeanie

Juberoo wrote:

So then who would you allow to make the rules and why would you follow them when you have issues with current authority?

Leadership is a quality all of us have, some of us more than others.
As the situation hasn't occured I cannot know who I would "allow" to make the rules but one would hope that consensus was reached and that all had an active participation in making the rules and regulations to live by.
AND I would also hope that as we have now, if a person had an issue with said rules and regulations that they spoke up and did what they had to do to make sure that all points were considered.