Speak for yourself. Rules and authority aren't what make me who I am. And I don't think the majority of people would turn into psychopaths like most politicians are. Most people have a conscience. The only way filthy lawmakers don't all commit suicide is because over time they've learned to shut off the part of their brains that tells them what they're doing is wrong. I believe it's a serious medical condition that the majority of citizens don't have. The average citizen is just lazy and uneducated and become the prey of psychopaths.
I think that it's a very small percentage that would cause the problems to start with. But the real shit would hit the fan when there's no society or societal norms to address the problems.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Its not possible. As soon as the current authority is torn down a new one will form to take its place whether it be to rule with an iron fist or for the betterment of the human race or even just for their own protection they will eventually impose rules and authority again. Anarchy is an illusion and even the Mad Max scenario has a leader imposing his will on others.
I agree. People need to gather together, be organized and have rules and regulations simply to survive. Hopefully it would be awhile before it got so bloody complicated again though.
I agree. People need to gather together, be organized and have rules and regulations simply to survive. Hopefully it would be awhile before it got so bloody complicated again though.
So then who would you allow to make the rules and why would you follow them when you have issues with current authority?
Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
I think that it's a very small percentage that would cause the problems to start with. But the real shit would hit the fan when there's no society or societal norms to address the problems.
Who determines these norms? And how do you get the masses to follow them?
Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Its not possible. As soon as the current authority is torn down a new one will form to take its place whether it be to rule with an iron fist or for the betterment of the human race or even just for their own protection they will eventually impose rules and authority again. Anarchy is an illusion and even the Mad Max scenario has a leader imposing his will on others.
Which leads to the question....who imposes the authority and how do they get that power?
Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Which leads to the question....who imposes the authority and how do they get that power?
power is taken not given. the person who thinks they are the strongest will rise and take what he sees as his. he will gather his minions and if you oppose him you will be dealt with.
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power is taken not given. the person who thinks they are the strongest will rise and take what he sees as his. he will gather his minions and if you oppose him you will be dealt with.
Just as it is now.
Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Just as it is now. Yet so many buck that knowledge and strive for me-ism in a futile attempt to rise above authority. It's the whole ignorant thought process that says "You can't tell me what to do". You can be told, you are being told and your fighting it is only going to lead to your dissatisfaction in life. So unless you are stronger than the powers that be, your fight is futile.
Well I'd rather be me than you! All the wholier than though, blind faith in god and the government must be so peaceful, almost like being drugged! Yeah, now that I think about it, that's exactly what seems to be going on here. You're drugged!
Well I'd rather be me than you! All the wholier than though, blind faith in god and the government must be so peaceful, almost like being drugged! Yeah, now that I think about it, that's exactly what seems to be going on here. You're drugged!
The blind faith is in the your idea that you can buck society and get away with it.
Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
So then who would you allow to make the rules and why would you follow them when you have issues with current authority?
Leadership is a quality all of us have, some of us more than others.
As the situation hasn't occured I cannot know who I would "allow" to make the rules but one would hope that consensus was reached and that all had an active participation in making the rules and regulations to live by.
AND I would also hope that as we have now, if a person had an issue with said rules and regulations that they spoke up and did what they had to do to make sure that all points were considered.
Leadership is a quality all of us have, some of us more than others.
As the situation hasn't occured I cannot know who I would "allow" to make the rules but one would hope that consensus was reached and that all had an active participation in making the rules and regulations to live by.
AND I would also hope that as we have now, if a person had an issue with said rules and regulations that they spoke up and did what they had to do to make sure that all points were considered.
not all societies in the world live by this idea of democracy.
Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
The blind faith is in the your idea that you can buck society and get away with it.
Aren't you American? I thought you guys had a fervour for Freedom Of Speech? AND let us not forget the blind faith America has in DEMOCRACY!
You couldn't enjoy the bloody freedom you do today if people hadn't bucked the system and if you think that the rest of us will go quietly into that good night while tools like George are carrying on and the Church is busy trying to take over the world I think you'll find you're sadly mistaken. There are more than enough examples historically of people power changing the world we live in and believe me it will continue to happen. But I guess you'll be sitting on your ass being a subserviant, "good citizen" when they come for your children right?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
power is taken not given. the person who thinks they are the strongest will rise and take what he sees as his. he will gather his minions and if you oppose him you will be dealt with.
They will also eventually be assasinated.
I agree that this is the likely outcome. Just like a pack of wild dogs.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Shame how we hold world leaders up to morals and standards, and somehow it's a problem for some people....
very telling.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Game Theory says that the cooperators lose and the detractors win. There are all sub-species of humans.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Do you think you could debate any issue without having to resort to petty digs? Does it empower you?
If my memory and history serves me correctly, you're the one that started with the petty digs dear. And if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen. I'm starting to wonder if you're menopausal or something coz you really are struggling to play nice with the other kids. So I don't feel bad. I know I'm not the only one you've levelled your manevolent, judgemental, nasty digs at. Actually I'm pretty chuffed to be counted amongst those you can't play nice with. They're a good bunch of folk. I find you amusing. Something to toy with. And lets face it. You like it coz you keep coming back for more.
If my memory and history serves me correctly, you're the one that started with the petty digs dear. And if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen. I'm starting to wonder if you're menopausal or something coz you really are struggling to play nice with the other kids. So I don't feel bad. I know I'm not the only one you've levelled your manevolent, judgemental, nasty digs at. Actually I'm pretty chuffed to be counted amongst those you can't play nice with. They're a good bunch of folk. I find you amusing. Something to toy with. And lets face it. You like it coz you keep coming back for more.
I keep coming back because like you, I refuse to back down when I believe I am right.
Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
I keep coming back because like you, I refuse to back down when I believe I am right.
Oh well we're dealing with different motivations then. Because I couldn't give a shit if I'm right or wrong. I'm bound to be either at any given time in my life.
I keep coming back because if there's one thing I am it's loyal and I'm really not into the blame game so whilst I have no problem with you holding the views you do, I do have a problem with your communication style and the way in which you seem to relish putting people down. Anyway, stand off is over for today as far as I'm concerned because the dog needs a walk.
Oh well we're dealing with different motivations then. Because I couldn't give a shit if I'm right or wrong. I'm bound to be either at any given time in my life.
I keep coming back because if there's one thing I am it's loyal and I'm really not into the blame game so whilst I have no problem with you holding the views you do, I do have a problem with your communication style and the way in which you seem to relish putting people down. Anyway, stand off is over for today as far as I'm concerned because the dog needs a walk.
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Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Leadership is a quality all of us have, some of us more than others.
As the situation hasn't occured I cannot know who I would "allow" to make the rules but one would hope that consensus was reached and that all had an active participation in making the rules and regulations to live by.
AND I would also hope that as we have now, if a person had an issue with said rules and regulations that they spoke up and did what they had to do to make sure that all points were considered.
And this is definately what I'd want to see too. With no one suppressed, it would lead to all speaking their minds, and a consensus choosing the right ones to lead the group. If that leader turned out to be bad, he/she'd be overthrown.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
not in the least. only in the sense that you are know getting all high and mighty about not using personal digs when you're the queen of such posts. i loathe hypocrisy.
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when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
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I agree.
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Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
power is taken not given. the person who thinks they are the strongest will rise and take what he sees as his. he will gather his minions and if you oppose him you will be dealt with.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
Well I'd rather be me than you! All the wholier than though, blind faith in god and the government must be so peaceful, almost like being drugged! Yeah, now that I think about it, that's exactly what seems to be going on here. You're drugged!
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
Leadership is a quality all of us have, some of us more than others.
As the situation hasn't occured I cannot know who I would "allow" to make the rules but one would hope that consensus was reached and that all had an active participation in making the rules and regulations to live by.
AND I would also hope that as we have now, if a person had an issue with said rules and regulations that they spoke up and did what they had to do to make sure that all points were considered.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
Aren't you American? I thought you guys had a fervour for Freedom Of Speech? AND let us not forget the blind faith America has in DEMOCRACY!
You couldn't enjoy the bloody freedom you do today if people hadn't bucked the system and if you think that the rest of us will go quietly into that good night while tools like George are carrying on and the Church is busy trying to take over the world I think you'll find you're sadly mistaken. There are more than enough examples historically of people power changing the world we live in and believe me it will continue to happen. But I guess you'll be sitting on your ass being a subserviant, "good citizen" when they come for your children right?
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
Yeah, but if corporate america has it's way they all will. So much easier to control everybody with the corporate american democratic model.
and besides I don't know why you're bringing up other cultures and societies, it's not like they count in your tiny mind is it?
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Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
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They will also eventually be assasinated.
I agree that this is the likely outcome. Just like a pack of wild dogs.
very telling.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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If my memory and history serves me correctly, you're the one that started with the petty digs dear. And if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen. I'm starting to wonder if you're menopausal or something coz you really are struggling to play nice with the other kids. So I don't feel bad. I know I'm not the only one you've levelled your manevolent, judgemental, nasty digs at. Actually I'm pretty chuffed to be counted amongst those you can't play nice with. They're a good bunch of folk. I find you amusing. Something to toy with. And lets face it. You like it coz you keep coming back for more.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
Oh well we're dealing with different motivations then. Because I couldn't give a shit if I'm right or wrong. I'm bound to be either at any given time in my life.
I keep coming back because if there's one thing I am it's loyal and I'm really not into the blame game so whilst I have no problem with you holding the views you do, I do have a problem with your communication style and the way in which you seem to relish putting people down. Anyway, stand off is over for today as far as I'm concerned because the dog needs a walk.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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And this is definately what I'd want to see too. With no one suppressed, it would lead to all speaking their minds, and a consensus choosing the right ones to lead the group. If that leader turned out to be bad, he/she'd be overthrown.
If there were no rules, no authority, no government, who's to say society wouldn't be democratic?
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
tht' rich coming from the chick who resorted to calling me a loser rather than responding to my arguments in the cheating thread.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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not in the least. only in the sense that you are know getting all high and mighty about not using personal digs when you're the queen of such posts. i loathe hypocrisy.