so? doesn't mean it wasn't a tragedy with a senseless loss of life. the fact that it has been exploited to a sickening extent by people whose cynicism makes me look like an optimist is only reason to be angry at them, not downplay the scale of the event.
fair...but ohio state and the big 10 sucks so at least i've got that going for me.
Ok...if you insist...The aftereffects of 9/11 were far more damaging to our world than the actual blowing up of the buildings, and it was done for a far better reason (not that I agree with the way it was acted out per se) than anything our government has done since. Those attacks were attempts by the relatively voiceless in this world, those that have been taken advantage of by the west for years to symbolically destroy the system that which has served to oppress them over the last 70 or so years. Unfortuanately, now the US government has an excuse to go and blow them up even more, remove human rights from those in their own country, and consistently point back to "9/11" as a case study for why we need to remove rights. It's absolutely pathetic where the US has gone since that day.
They had their "eden" in Afghanistan. They ruined it. They are evil extremists and it sounds like you are proud of what they did. It is heading to a "kill or be killed" world (not that it hasn't been like that since the beginning of time). It is Western philosophy verus woman as property. The left seems to be choosing property vs. freedom. Seriously, the liberals fight for civil rights for Americans, but don't give a shit about woman and children around the rest of the world.
They had their "eden" in Afghanistan. They ruined it. They are evil extremists and it sounds like you are proud of what they did. It is heading to a "kill or be killed" world (not that it hasn't been like that since the beginning of time). It is Western philosophy verus woman as property. The left seems to be choosing property vs. freedom. Seriously, the liberals fight for civil rights for Americans, but don't give a shit about woman and children around the rest of the world.
wait a minute...isn't straight marriage in America about owning women as property? Yes this is rhetorical since i am getting married begrudgingly - not that I don't love my fiancee but the whole rules of it. Obviously we are talking about degrees here, but it just so happens that America isn't above the legal ownership of women. Moreover, you are making a large leap over what I am supporting, and what I do not, as well as, maintaining a very slippery view of what 'freedom' is.
To clarify, I do support those from other countries which are/have been/continue to be opressed by the United States without our recognition of it. I also support those within the United States who feel the same opression along race/class/sex/sexuality/ability axis which runs counter to your idea that all in the US are "free" (yes there is more freedom of mobility in the US than other places but it should be better).
Finally if you think GWB or the rest of our Corporatized Gov gives a shit about women and children you are sadly mistaken. For it is their rules, their norms, and their blatant disregard for global minoriites which results in the domination of women and children around the world. Who sewed your Nikes for .03 a day? Who made your computer for the same price? Who helped build your car, or picked your fruits and veggies? Who, in many cases, unknowingly help run U.S.-based drug cartels which supply the US with heroin, pot, coke, etc. by giving their lives to produce it? Talk to vets of Afghanistan and they will tell you, talk to people in Asia, the DR, South America, and now Africa and they will tell you. Global capitalism is a disease that is ruining this world and the symbolic protest that was 9/11 is an idea (not execution in all senses of the word) that i support.
I guess what I ask myself all the time when I want to get mad at Al Queda is what would I have done differently? How do you protest a system which opresses all but the VERY few? As Bob Dylan once wrote "if you ain't got nothin...you got nothin to lose".
I take back what i said, cuz i agree with this completely.
haha...see i can usually come to a truce with even the most vehement of my disagreers. have a good night, there will be other things we agree on i promise.
I guess what I ask myself all the time when I want to get mad at Al Queda is what would I have done differently? How do you protest a system which opresses all but the VERY few? As Bob Dylan once wrote "if you ain't got nothin...you got nothin to lose".
I hope you wouldn't have killed 3000 civiliansw with airplanes. Yeah, America is far from perfect. But you need to stop laying the blame on America only. These terrorists want to enforce government regimes that are far more extremist than our craziest neocons would be. The terrorists just don't have the resources. They are far from victims. Hell, we even supported Bin Laden for a while, but yeah, he is a victim of us?
I hope you wouldn't have killed 3000 civiliansw with airplanes. Yeah, America is far from perfect. But you need to stop laying the blame on America only. These terrorists want to enforce government regimes that are far more extremist than our craziest neocons would be. The terrorists just don't have the resources. They are far from victims. Hell, we even supported Bin Laden for a while, but yeah, he is a victim of us?
Our craziest neocons are as crazy as any Al Quaeda schlup.
wait a minute...isn't straight marriage in America about owning women as property? Yes this is rhetorical since i am getting married begrudgingly - not that I don't love my fiancee but the whole rules of it.
for me it's about connecting with someone on various levels like you've not connected with anyone else before, and it's about loyalty to each other and to your relationship. my relationship with my partner is to the point where I don't know where I end and he begins. which can be scary, realizing you can feel so deeply for someone who isn't related to you except by and love .... it's a choice by two people to join together as one. call me crazy, call me old fashioned, i dunno, but i, for one, cannot wait to share his name as well. i will be so proud.
I love it. we should just get over it huh. would you say that if you lost your brother or father? why should we stop trying to punish those responsible? why?
Holding a grudge is not really a good way to live life. So yes you should just get over it.
Things move on.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Holding a grudge is not really a good way to live life. So yes you should just get over it.
Things move on.
so if a guy comes up to you and punches you in the face once a week for a month or rapes yr child once a month, every month for a year and you knew about it
Holding a grudge is not really a good way to live life. So yes you should just get over it.
Things move on.
it's not that easy to just 'get over it', but eventually you have to accept it, as much as you hate it, especially if it's something out of your control, because otherwise you just end up dead inside.
it's not that easy to just 'get over it', but eventually you have to accept it, as much as you hate it, especially if it's something out of your control, because otherwise you just end up dead inside.
Yes it's hard to let go of thing's but eventually as you say if you don't then then it will leave you dead inside.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Ok...if you insist...The aftereffects of 9/11 were far more damaging to our world than the actual blowing up of the buildings, and it was done for a far better reason (not that I agree with the way it was acted out per se) than anything our government has done since. Those attacks were attempts by the relatively voiceless in this world, those that have been taken advantage of by the west for years to symbolically destroy the system that which has served to oppress them over the last 70 or so years. Unfortuanately, now the US government has an excuse to go and blow them up even more, remove human rights from those in their own country, and consistently point back to "9/11" as a case study for why we need to remove rights. It's absolutely pathetic where the US has gone since that day.
so if a guy comes up to you and punches you in the face once a week for a month or rapes yr child once a month, every month for a year and you knew about it
1- you wouldn't defend yourself
2- you would move on
In regards to 9/11 you are not defending yourself it's already happened. you are seeking retribution and loads more innocent people have died because of it.
I have a friend whose best friend died in the 7/7 bombings i don't see them going on about chasing terrorists, they have got on with there life.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
In regards to 9/11 you are not defending yourself it's already happened. you are seeking retribution and loads more innocent people have died because of it.
I have a friend whose best friend died in the 7/7 bombings i don't see them going on about chasing terrorists, they have got on with there life.
it does apply because it wasn't the first terrorist act towards us, by them
Are you kidding? It's all about 9/11. 9/11 is everything...it's the reason everything is the way it is right now.
From the political perspective, It's like it happened yesterday.
the original article compared 9/11 to the ira attacks in england, not the war in iraq. are you capable of shutting off your michael moore-drenched brain for long enough to discuss that topic? you're as bad about bush/iraq as they are about 9/11/iraq.
last i checked... the buckeyes were ranked number one again
that's because the suckeyes play in the suck 10 a conference where they can't count and 11 suck teams play against each other to see who sucks less. The crap of it is that because they were at one time the best teams in the country they get a better representation in the rankings over teams from the other conferences out there that are better than them...specifically the Big East which has probably 2 teams that would defeat OSU (South Florida and West Virginia) and 1 that would give them a run for their money (Rutgers), and 1 (Louisville) that would roll up about 40 points on them in a loss.
I hope you wouldn't have killed 3000 civiliansw with airplanes. Yeah, America is far from perfect. But you need to stop laying the blame on America only. These terrorists want to enforce government regimes that are far more extremist than our craziest neocons would be. The terrorists just don't have the resources. They are far from victims. Hell, we even supported Bin Laden for a while, but yeah, he is a victim of us?
ok, fair enough, then i will blame capitalism and all the devastation it has wreaked on our world...the US just happens to have taken advantage of it better than most other countries.
Not really the point though is it? I hate these body bag competitions.
not body bag competitions at all! not even really a comparison...what i AM comparing is REACTIONS
-a little over 6 9/11's happen ever year just from ppl not having health insurance. our reaction?? allow the 'health care' industry to run all but unchecked and create a 'health care' system where health related bills are the number 1 cause for bankruptcy saying there's just no money to fix it and not the governments job.
-multiple 9/11's happen ever year from ppl smoking. our reatcion? we let it continue saying ppl should be free to kill themselves and those around them yet lock ppl up for smoking pot or other drugs...?
-9/11 happens and our reaction?? we bomb the shit out of 2 countrys that weren't even involved and kill multiple millions of innocent ppl while looting our treasury to give to friends, investors (in the administration), and war profiteers while we give our own troops as little as we possibly can get away w/ saying there's no money to give them better equipment while we give million dollar bonuses to war profiteers who committed fraud and other things against us and all but stole our tax money.
the bottom line is we will ALWAYS find money for war and new ways to kill people, but when it comes to any form of social spending like health care we just can't have it.
war is not the way, it probably never is the way and yet....it seems hardwired into our mindsets. it's a shame is all i'm saying. such a waste....
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
not body bag competitions at all! not even really a comparison...what i AM comparing is REACTIONS
-a little over 6 9/11's happen ever year just from ppl not having health insurance. our reaction?? allow the 'health care' industry to run all but unchecked and create a 'health care' system where health related bills are the number 1 cause for bankruptcy saying there's just no money to fix it and not the governments job.
-multiple 9/11's happen ever year from ppl smoking. our reatcion? we let it continue saying ppl should be free to kill themselves and those around them yet lock ppl up for smoking pot or other drugs...?
-9/11 happens and our reaction?? we bomb the shit out of 2 countrys that weren't even involved and kill multiple millions of innocent ppl while looting our treasury to give to friends, investors (in the administration), and war profiteers while we give our own troops as little as we possibly can get away w/ saying there's no money to give them better equipment while we give million dollar bonuses to war profiteers who committed fraud and other things against us and all but stole our tax money.
the bottom line is we will ALWAYS find money for war and new ways to kill people, but when it comes to any form of social spending like health care we just can't have it.
war is not the way, it probably never is the way and yet....it seems hardwired into our mindsets. it's a shame is all i'm saying. such a waste....
where the fuck have you and abook been hiding??? hope all is well.........
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Well, what would you prefer, living in New York City, or living in Baghdad?
If I was from Iraq or from the Middle east...probably Bagdad.
I spent several hours with a guy from Bagdad....he spoke very little english...he absolutely loved his city....said he couldn't wait to leave the US and go back.
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Then why don't you cry about health care more than the war?
They had their "eden" in Afghanistan. They ruined it. They are evil extremists and it sounds like you are proud of what they did. It is heading to a "kill or be killed" world (not that it hasn't been like that since the beginning of time). It is Western philosophy verus woman as property. The left seems to be choosing property vs. freedom. Seriously, the liberals fight for civil rights for Americans, but don't give a shit about woman and children around the rest of the world.
I take back what i said, cuz i agree with this completely.
To clarify, I do support those from other countries which are/have been/continue to be opressed by the United States without our recognition of it. I also support those within the United States who feel the same opression along race/class/sex/sexuality/ability axis which runs counter to your idea that all in the US are "free" (yes there is more freedom of mobility in the US than other places but it should be better).
Finally if you think GWB or the rest of our Corporatized Gov gives a shit about women and children you are sadly mistaken. For it is their rules, their norms, and their blatant disregard for global minoriites which results in the domination of women and children around the world. Who sewed your Nikes for .03 a day? Who made your computer for the same price? Who helped build your car, or picked your fruits and veggies? Who, in many cases, unknowingly help run U.S.-based drug cartels which supply the US with heroin, pot, coke, etc. by giving their lives to produce it? Talk to vets of Afghanistan and they will tell you, talk to people in Asia, the DR, South America, and now Africa and they will tell you. Global capitalism is a disease that is ruining this world and the symbolic protest that was 9/11 is an idea (not execution in all senses of the word) that i support.
I guess what I ask myself all the time when I want to get mad at Al Queda is what would I have done differently? How do you protest a system which opresses all but the VERY few? As Bob Dylan once wrote "if you ain't got nothin...you got nothin to lose".
I hope you wouldn't have killed 3000 civiliansw with airplanes. Yeah, America is far from perfect. But you need to stop laying the blame on America only. These terrorists want to enforce government regimes that are far more extremist than our craziest neocons would be. The terrorists just don't have the resources. They are far from victims. Hell, we even supported Bin Laden for a while, but yeah, he is a victim of us?
Our craziest neocons are as crazy as any Al Quaeda schlup.
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Maybe two or three of them. But not the same numbers as Muslim extremists.
I'm...speechless. Shaking my head. Hoping you and jlew sometime, someplace, find that pie in the sky place together, forever, amen.
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all the best with your wedding!
Holding a grudge is not really a good way to live life. So yes you should just get over it.
Things move on.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
so if a guy comes up to you and punches you in the face once a week for a month or rapes yr child once a month, every month for a year and you knew about it
1- you wouldn't defend yourself
2- you would move on
Yes it's hard to let go of thing's but eventually as you say if you don't then then it will leave you dead inside.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Where is the thumbs up icon?
In regards to 9/11 you are not defending yourself it's already happened. you are seeking retribution and loads more innocent people have died because of it.
I have a friend whose best friend died in the 7/7 bombings i don't see them going on about chasing terrorists, they have got on with there life.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
it does apply because it wasn't the first terrorist act towards us, by them
can we apply this to bush v gore, bush v kerry etc... cause that would be great.
the original article compared 9/11 to the ira attacks in england, not the war in iraq. are you capable of shutting off your michael moore-drenched brain for long enough to discuss that topic? you're as bad about bush/iraq as they are about 9/11/iraq.
last i checked... the buckeyes were ranked number one again
Iraq is equal to somewher more than 200 times as many dead - and indeterminable multiplier in damage to buildings.
perspetive is interesting
Well, what would you prefer, living in New York City, or living in Baghdad?
not body bag competitions at all! not even really a comparison...what i AM comparing is REACTIONS
-a little over 6 9/11's happen ever year just from ppl not having health insurance. our reaction?? allow the 'health care' industry to run all but unchecked and create a 'health care' system where health related bills are the number 1 cause for bankruptcy saying there's just no money to fix it and not the governments job.
-multiple 9/11's happen ever year from ppl smoking. our reatcion? we let it continue saying ppl should be free to kill themselves and those around them yet lock ppl up for smoking pot or other drugs...?
-9/11 happens and our reaction?? we bomb the shit out of 2 countrys that weren't even involved and kill multiple millions of innocent ppl while looting our treasury to give to friends, investors (in the administration), and war profiteers while we give our own troops as little as we possibly can get away w/ saying there's no money to give them better equipment while we give million dollar bonuses to war profiteers who committed fraud and other things against us and all but stole our tax money.
the bottom line is we will ALWAYS find money for war and new ways to kill people, but when it comes to any form of social spending like health care we just can't have it.
war is not the way, it probably never is the way and yet....it seems hardwired into our mindsets. it's a shame is all i'm saying. such a waste....
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I spent several hours with a guy from Bagdad....he spoke very little english...he absolutely loved his city....said he couldn't wait to leave the US and go back.
The honeycomb hideout, of course.
We're doing well, Speedy. We miss you guys here at the good ole Train and hope to be around more really soon.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
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