9/11 "not that bad"

RolandTD20Kdrummer

jlew24asu wrote:

nice attempt at marginalizing those who died on 9/11. why dont you just tell us how you really feel.

He's right. the loss of life was is not the be all, and end all, of everything in the world thus forward. Many common statistics dwarf it by comparison.

Is the US to ever get over 9/11 and feel the need to punish those responsible?

It's time to forgive and forget a little perhaps no? Holding this grudge all the way to WW3/WW4 (WW3 for the average...WW4 if you're a zionist) is a bit much after all these years now don't you think?

Stamping out terrorism. The phrase doesn't even compute in reality. Vowing to end terrorism is the same as saying you vow to promote perpetual war againt an unknown. It appears as it is confronted.

Its' time to step back and analyze, instead of rushing headlong into Iraq part 2 (Iran)

soulsinging

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

He's right. the loss of life was is not the be all, and end all, of everything in the world thus forward. Many common statistics dwarf it by comparison.

Is the US to ever get over 9/11 and feel the need to punish those responsible?

It's time to forgive and forget a little perhaps no? Holding this grudge all the way to WW3/WW4 (WW3 for the average...WW4 if you're a zionist) is a bit much after all these years now don't you think?

Stamping out terrorism. The phrase doesn't even compute in reality. Vowing to end terrorism is the same as saying you vow to promote perpetual war againt an unknown. It appears as it is confronted.

Its' time to step back and analyze, instead of rushing headlong into Iraq part 2 (Iran)

i dont think anyone in here is advocating using 9/11 as a cause for further war. you're using your eagerness to go on an anti-bush/iraq rant to further your agenda. the original article said the IRA attacks in 86 were a bigger deal than 9/11. i rather find that hard to believe. VERY hard to believe.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

soulsinging wrote:

i dont think anyone in here is advocating using 9/11 as a cause for further war. you're using your eagerness to go on an anti-bush/iraq rant to further your agenda. the original article said the IRA attacks in 86 were a bigger deal than 9/11. i rather find that hard to believe. VERY hard to believe.

Are you kidding? It's all about 9/11. 9/11 is everything...it's the reason everything is the way it is right now.

From the political perspective, It's like it happened yesterday.

jlew24asu

ryan198 wrote:

Ok...if you insist...The aftereffects of 9/11 were far more damaging to our world than the actual blowing up of the buildings, and it was done for a far better reason (not that I agree with the way it was acted out per se) than anything our government has done since. Those attacks were attempts by the relatively voiceless in this world, those that have been taken advantage of by the west for years to symbolically destroy the system that which has served to oppress them over the last 70 or so years. Unfortuanately, now the US government has an excuse to go and blow them up even more, remove human rights from those in their own country, and consistently point back to "9/11" as a case study for why we need to remove rights. It's absolutely pathetic where the US has gone since that day.

wow just wow. it was done for a far better reason than what our government has done since?

tell me again, what was that reason? people like you make me sick to my stomach. you should be ashamed to call yourself an american.

jlew24asu

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

He's right. the loss of life was is not the be all, and end all, of everything in the world thus forward. Many common statistics dwarf it by comparison.

you cant use "common" statistics. this wasnt a common event. he compared it to people dying of cancer. or smoking. to compare it to anything marginalizes the innocent loss of life.

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Is the US to ever get over 9/11 and feel the need to punish those responsible?

I love it. we should just get over it huh. would you say that if you lost your brother or father? why should we stop trying to punish those responsible? why?

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

It's time to forgive and forget a little perhaps no? Holding this grudge all the way to WW3/WW4 (WW3 for the average...WW4 if you're a zionist) is a bit much after all these years now don't you think?

Stamping out terrorism. The phrase doesn't even compute in reality. Vowing to end terrorism is the same as saying you vow to promote perpetual war againt an unknown. It appears as it is confronted.

Its' time to step back and analyze, instead of rushing headlong into Iraq part 2 (Iran)

all I can say is I wish I can meet you one day. we'll talk about this like a couple of men. yea, lets just forget about the whole day thing. fuck it.

and the rest of your garbage....unfucking believable.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

jlew24asu wrote:

you cant use "common" statistics. this wasnt a common event. he compared it to people dying of cancer. or smoking. to compare it to anything marginalizes the innocent loss of life.

I love it. we should just get over it huh. would you say that if you lost your brother or father? why should we stop trying to punish those responsible? why?

all I can say is I wish I can meet you one day. we'll talk about this like a couple of men. yea, lets just forget about the whole day thing. fuck it.

and the rest of your garbage....unfucking believable.

It happened, it was terrible. I wanted to glass parking lot the entire middle east at the time for pretty much every day up until 2004. That's back when I let the media spoon feed me daily at face value. The death of one person is a tragedy. I've watched people die up close and personal. It's sucks. It's sobering. Time stands still and nothing else in this world matters. No amount of money (or anything) can compensate or relieve the pain. I'm facing my own mortality in a few months. It's really more solidified in your head because the media has pounded it there every day up until now.. It hasn't stopped for one minute. 9/11 is like the new big bang in America.

Bush sounds the exact same today as he was on 9/12.

I find that more unbelievable in reality.

SundaySilence

jlew24asu wrote:

wow just wow. it was done for a far better reason than what our government has done since?

tell me again, what was that reason? people like you make me sick to my stomach. you should be ashamed to call yourself an american.

They attack us because we are over there; blowback according to the CIA and the 911 commission report. Rightous indignation doesn't change the predictablity of these events. We shouldn't be outwitted and drawn into the terrorist agenda of radicalizing their moderates.

jlew24asu wrote:

I love it. we should just get over it huh. would you say that if you lost your brother or father? why should we stop trying to punish those responsible? why?

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

ryan198 wrote:

Ok...if you insist...The aftereffects of 9/11 were far more damaging to our world than the actual blowing up of the buildings, and it was done for a far better reason (not that I agree with the way it was acted out per se) than anything our government has done since. Those attacks were attempts by the relatively voiceless in this world, those that have been taken advantage of by the west for years to symbolically destroy the system that which has served to oppress them over the last 70 or so years. Unfortuanately, now the US government has an excuse to go and blow them up even more, remove human rights from those in their own country, and consistently point back to "9/11" as a case study for why we need to remove rights. It's absolutely pathetic where the US has gone since that day.

The sooner you are off this planet the happier i'll be. Consider yourself ignored.

ryan198

jlew24asu wrote:

wow just wow. it was done for a far better reason than what our government has done since?

tell me again, what was that reason? people like you make me sick to my stomach. you should be ashamed to call yourself an american.

I'm actually not ashamed to call myself an american, I just understand what being an american means, the unearned privileges it affords me just because i was born here and not somewhere halfway across the globe, and the way people like you take advantage of it without thinking of the consequences about it. i never said 9/11 wasn't a terrible loss of life, it was, it's just that the use of 9/11 by our government (read: really rich, white, motherfuckers) to opress those who aren't really rich and white is far more messed up than what happened on 9/11. sorry if you disagree or choose to wish i was dead, i only wish that on a select few... certainly not those in the buildings on 9/11 nor those in iraq, nor those in asia who manufacture almost all of OUR (myself included) goods, those in the dominican republic who do the same, and so on.

PaperPlates

810wmb wrote:

hahahahahah...guilt my ass!

you feel guilty?

Yes, yes they do. The only people who feel more guilty than Liberals are Catholics. Go figure.

bootlegger10

blackredyellow wrote:

Because they are preventable, yet we do nothing about it.

Then why don't you cry about health care more than the war?

ryan198

soulsinging wrote:

so? doesn't mean it wasn't a tragedy with a senseless loss of life. the fact that it has been exploited to a sickening extent by people whose cynicism makes me look like an optimist is only reason to be angry at them, not downplay the scale of the event.

fair...but ohio state and the big 10 sucks so at least i've got that going for me.

bootlegger10

ryan198 wrote:

Ok...if you insist...The aftereffects of 9/11 were far more damaging to our world than the actual blowing up of the buildings, and it was done for a far better reason (not that I agree with the way it was acted out per se) than anything our government has done since. Those attacks were attempts by the relatively voiceless in this world, those that have been taken advantage of by the west for years to symbolically destroy the system that which has served to oppress them over the last 70 or so years. Unfortuanately, now the US government has an excuse to go and blow them up even more, remove human rights from those in their own country, and consistently point back to "9/11" as a case study for why we need to remove rights. It's absolutely pathetic where the US has gone since that day.

They had their "eden" in Afghanistan. They ruined it. They are evil extremists and it sounds like you are proud of what they did. It is heading to a "kill or be killed" world (not that it hasn't been like that since the beginning of time). It is Western philosophy verus woman as property. The left seems to be choosing property vs. freedom. Seriously, the liberals fight for civil rights for Americans, but don't give a shit about woman and children around the rest of the world.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

ryan198 wrote:

fair...but ohio state and the big 10 sucks so at least i've got that going for me.

I take back what i said, cuz i agree with this completely.

ryan198

bootlegger10 wrote:

They had their "eden" in Afghanistan. They ruined it. They are evil extremists and it sounds like you are proud of what they did. It is heading to a "kill or be killed" world (not that it hasn't been like that since the beginning of time). It is Western philosophy verus woman as property. The left seems to be choosing property vs. freedom. Seriously, the liberals fight for civil rights for Americans, but don't give a shit about woman and children around the rest of the world.

wait a minute...isn't straight marriage in America about owning women as property? Yes this is rhetorical since i am getting married begrudgingly - not that I don't love my fiancee but the whole rules of it. Obviously we are talking about degrees here, but it just so happens that America isn't above the legal ownership of women. Moreover, you are making a large leap over what I am supporting, and what I do not, as well as, maintaining a very slippery view of what 'freedom' is.

To clarify, I do support those from other countries which are/have been/continue to be opressed by the United States without our recognition of it. I also support those within the United States who feel the same opression along race/class/sex/sexuality/ability axis which runs counter to your idea that all in the US are "free" (yes there is more freedom of mobility in the US than other places but it should be better).

Finally if you think GWB or the rest of our Corporatized Gov gives a shit about women and children you are sadly mistaken. For it is their rules, their norms, and their blatant disregard for global minoriites which results in the domination of women and children around the world. Who sewed your Nikes for .03 a day? Who made your computer for the same price? Who helped build your car, or picked your fruits and veggies? Who, in many cases, unknowingly help run U.S.-based drug cartels which supply the US with heroin, pot, coke, etc. by giving their lives to produce it? Talk to vets of Afghanistan and they will tell you, talk to people in Asia, the DR, South America, and now Africa and they will tell you. Global capitalism is a disease that is ruining this world and the symbolic protest that was 9/11 is an idea (not execution in all senses of the word) that i support.

I guess what I ask myself all the time when I want to get mad at Al Queda is what would I have done differently? How do you protest a system which opresses all but the VERY few? As Bob Dylan once wrote "if you ain't got nothin...you got nothin to lose".

ryan198

MrSmith wrote:

I take back what i said, cuz i agree with this completely.

haha...see i can usually come to a truce with even the most vehement of my disagreers. have a good night, there will be other things we agree on i promise.

bootlegger10

ryan198 wrote:

I guess what I ask myself all the time when I want to get mad at Al Queda is what would I have done differently? How do you protest a system which opresses all but the VERY few? As Bob Dylan once wrote "if you ain't got nothin...you got nothin to lose".

I hope you wouldn't have killed 3000 civiliansw with airplanes. Yeah, America is far from perfect. But you need to stop laying the blame on America only. These terrorists want to enforce government regimes that are far more extremist than our craziest neocons would be. The terrorists just don't have the resources. They are far from victims. Hell, we even supported Bin Laden for a while, but yeah, he is a victim of us?

gue_barium

bootlegger10 wrote:

I hope you wouldn't have killed 3000 civiliansw with airplanes. Yeah, America is far from perfect. But you need to stop laying the blame on America only. These terrorists want to enforce government regimes that are far more extremist than our craziest neocons would be. The terrorists just don't have the resources. They are far from victims. Hell, we even supported Bin Laden for a while, but yeah, he is a victim of us?

Our craziest neocons are as crazy as any Al Quaeda schlup.

bootlegger10

gue_barium wrote:

Our craziest neocons are as crazy as any Al Quaeda schlup.

Maybe two or three of them. But not the same numbers as Muslim extremists.

gue_barium

bootlegger10 wrote:

Maybe two or three of them. But not the same numbers as Muslim extremists.

I'm...speechless. Shaking my head. Hoping you and jlew sometime, someplace, find that pie in the sky place together, forever, amen.