9/11 "not that bad"

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edited October 2007 in A Moving Train
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7057601.stm


....sure, two 110 story office towers falling to the ground with thousands of people in them "isnt that bad"...


Ok, 5 people died and 34 were injured in the IRA attacks, but a couple office building collapsing, eh...not that bat

First Gore and now this prize. Can we Castro a Nobel prize next?
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  • lucylespianlucylespian Posts: 2,403
    Well, there is two perspectives here.

    I actually do think that 9/11 wa a terrible occurrence.
    But considering the fact that you guys slaughter 22 00 people EVERY year with handguns, and kill more children with guns every year than died in the 9/11 attacks, sadly, it is not the biggest problem your country faces.
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Well, there is two perspectives here.

    I actually do think that 9/11 wa a terrible occurrence.
    But considering the fact that you guys slaughter 22 00 people EVERY year with handguns, and kill more children with guns every year than died in the 9/11 attacks, sadly, it is not the biggest problem your country faces.

    I wouldn't say fascism in the US is at epidemic levels, though I would argue that a totalitarian regime is quietly getting close. It's only in its obscene molester stage.

    Our country is a study in individuality like no other. You have to grant us that.

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  • I would say that 99.9% of shock value came from what happened rather than the deaths of the people themselves. 3000 deaths is quite insignificant when you browse things like workplace statistics, Darwin type awards, deaths from lack of health care...the list goes on.

    A 9/11's worth of Iraqi deaths in comparison happens every day in Iraq. 2,000 new refugees are created daily in Iraq from the occupation.

    Granted 911 was bad, however, worse things are happening aside from the steel, concrete, and fire visuals.

    If the criteria is building collapse events rather than loss of life , then yeah.
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  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    I would say that 99.9% of shock value came from what happened rather than the deaths of the people themselves. 3000 deaths is quite insignificant when you browse things like workplace statistics, Darwin type awards, deaths from lack of health care...the list goes on.

    A 9/11's worth of Iraqi deaths in comparison happens every day in Iraq. 2,000 new refugees are created daily in Iraq from the occupation.

    then why all the uproar about 3500? or american soldiers deaths in iraq?
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  • 810wmb wrote:
    then why all the uproar about 3500? or american soldiers deaths in iraq?

    Because they are preventable, yet we do nothing about it.
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  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    Because they are preventable, yet we do nothing about it.

    we are at war, how are they preventable? they volunteered to serve, the go where they are sent...the end
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  • NMyTreeNMyTree Posts: 2,374
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7057601.stm


    ....sure, two 110 story office towers falling to the ground with thousands of people in them "isnt that bad"...


    Ok, 5 people died and 34 were injured in the IRA attacks, but a couple office building collapsing, eh...not that bat

    First Gore and now this prize. Can we Castro a Nobel prize next?

    Well, when you read her comments in context and consider her overall point, she is correct.

    While she points out one or two specific attacks by the IRA, she is speaking of the full history and damage done by the IRA's collective attacks. She is not diminishing the 9/11 attacks, rather, putting them into proper context.

    Her comments on Bush were dead-on correct, also. But it is obvious she understands that it's not really just about Bush, but about this whole administration and it's corporate loyalties
  • 810wmb wrote:
    then why all the uproar about 3500? or american soldiers deaths in iraq?


    Guilt probably.
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  • 810wmb810wmb Posts: 849
    Guilt probably.


    hahahahahah...guilt my ass!

    you feel guilty?
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  • gue_barium wrote:
    I wouldn't say fascism in the US is at epidemic levels, though I would argue that a totalitarian regime is quietly getting close. It's only in its obscene molester stage.

    Our country is a study in individuality like no other. You have to grant us that.


    i think this upcoming presidential election may shed some viable light on how severely corrupt "American politics" have become.

    *honestly though, probably the election process--as opposed to the actual election event itself--will yield the true evidence, since most likely the corruption will [yet again] prevent America's most promising candidate(s) from advancing beyond the party-primaries.

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  • http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7057601.stm


    ....sure, two 110 story office towers falling to the ground with thousands of people in them "isnt that bad"...


    Ok, 5 people died and 34 were injured in the IRA attacks, but a couple office building collapsing, eh...not that bat

    First Gore and now this prize. Can we Castro a Nobel prize next?

    What a stupid thing to say. I really hate when people try to qualify or compare tragedies. Like some sort of sick competition.

    But keep in mind, she didn't win a Nobel Peace Prize. She won a Nobel Prize in Literature. Big difference.
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7057601.stm


    ....sure, two 110 story office towers falling to the ground with thousands of people in them "isnt that bad"...


    Ok, 5 people died and 34 were injured in the IRA attacks, but a couple office building collapsing, eh...not that bat

    First Gore and now this prize. Can we Castro a Nobel prize next?


    the amount of ppl that die in america every year just from not having any health insurance or even the number of ppl who die from smoking related illnesses (not to mention a whoooooole lot of other things like car accidents, drunk driving....) is faaaaaar greater than the number that died on 9/11....
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  • El_Kabong wrote:
    the amount of ppl that die in america every year just from not having any health insurance or even the number of ppl who die from smoking related illnesses (not to mention a whoooooole lot of other things like car accidents, drunk driving....) is faaaaaar greater than the number that died on 9/11....

    Not really the point though is it? I hate these body bag competitions.
  • 810wmb wrote:
    we are at war, how are they preventable? they volunteered to serve, the go where they are sent...the end

    And we agree with where they are being sent. I would not be against them fighting Afghanistan, Al Queda etc.

    I am against the Iraq War and have been since day one. So to me the soldiers are dying for an unjust cause whether they volunteered or not.

    Also how many of these volunteers signed up after 9/11 to fight the terrorists only to be sent to Iraq instead?
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7057601.stm


    ....sure, two 110 story office towers falling to the ground with thousands of people in them "isnt that bad"...


    Ok, 5 people died and 34 were injured in the IRA attacks, but a couple office building collapsing, eh...not that bat

    First Gore and now this prize. Can we Castro a Nobel prize next?

    i'd like to see the stats, but i dont think the ira has killed as many people in 100 years as died on 9/11.
  • El_Kabong wrote:
    the amount of ppl that die in america every year just from not having any health insurance or even the number of ppl who die from smoking related illnesses (not to mention a whoooooole lot of other things like car accidents, drunk driving....) is faaaaaar greater than the number that died on 9/11....

    Holy I think I just saw a ghost called El Kabong.

    Did you lose a bet, or just genuinely miss the train and fel the need to re associate?

    No pressure....but....are we to expect you back?

    I could deal with it...

    (thought I'd get my first cuts in) :p
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    El_Kabong wrote:
    the amount of ppl that die in america every year just from not having any health insurance or even the number of ppl who die from smoking related illnesses (not to mention a whoooooole lot of other things like car accidents, drunk driving....) is faaaaaar greater than the number that died on 9/11....

    and more die of old age in their beds than any of those. what's your point? that nobody should be upset about 9/11 until we've eradicated cancer?
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    El_Kabong wrote:
    the amount of ppl that die in america every year just from not having any health insurance or even the number of ppl who die from smoking related illnesses (not to mention a whoooooole lot of other things like car accidents, drunk driving....) is faaaaaar greater than the number that died on 9/11....

    nice attempt at marginalizing those who died on 9/11. why dont you just tell us how you really feel.
  • ryan198ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    jlew24asu wrote:
    nice attempt at marginalizing those who died on 9/11. why dont you just tell us how you really feel.
    Ok...if you insist...The aftereffects of 9/11 were far more damaging to our world than the actual blowing up of the buildings, and it was done for a far better reason (not that I agree with the way it was acted out per se) than anything our government has done since. Those attacks were attempts by the relatively voiceless in this world, those that have been taken advantage of by the west for years to symbolically destroy the system that which has served to oppress them over the last 70 or so years. Unfortuanately, now the US government has an excuse to go and blow them up even more, remove human rights from those in their own country, and consistently point back to "9/11" as a case study for why we need to remove rights. It's absolutely pathetic where the US has gone since that day.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    ryan198 wrote:
    Ok...if you insist...The aftereffects of 9/11 were far more damaging to our world than the actual blowing up of the buildings, and it was done for a far better reason (not that I agree with the way it was acted out per se) than anything our government has done since. Those attacks were attempts by the relatively voiceless in this world, those that have been taken advantage of by the west for years to symbolically destroy the system that which has served to oppress them over the last 70 or so years. Unfortuanately, now the US government has an excuse to go and blow them up even more, remove human rights from those in their own country, and consistently point back to "9/11" as a case study for why we need to remove rights. It's absolutely pathetic where the US has gone since that day.

    so? doesn't mean it wasn't a tragedy with a senseless loss of life. the fact that it has been exploited to a sickening extent by people whose cynicism makes me look like an optimist is only reason to be angry at them, not downplay the scale of the event.
  • jlew24asu wrote:
    nice attempt at marginalizing those who died on 9/11. why dont you just tell us how you really feel.


    He's right. the loss of life was is not the be all, and end all, of everything in the world thus forward. Many common statistics dwarf it by comparison.

    Is the US to ever get over 9/11 and feel the need to punish those responsible?

    It's time to forgive and forget a little perhaps no? Holding this grudge all the way to WW3/WW4 (WW3 for the average...WW4 if you're a zionist) is a bit much after all these years now don't you think?

    Stamping out terrorism. The phrase doesn't even compute in reality. Vowing to end terrorism is the same as saying you vow to promote perpetual war againt an unknown. It appears as it is confronted.

    Its' time to step back and analyze, instead of rushing headlong into Iraq part 2 (Iran)
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    He's right. the loss of life was is not the be all, and end all, of everything in the world thus forward. Many common statistics dwarf it by comparison.

    Is the US to ever get over 9/11 and feel the need to punish those responsible?

    It's time to forgive and forget a little perhaps no? Holding this grudge all the way to WW3/WW4 (WW3 for the average...WW4 if you're a zionist) is a bit much after all these years now don't you think?

    Stamping out terrorism. The phrase doesn't even compute in reality. Vowing to end terrorism is the same as saying you vow to promote perpetual war againt an unknown. It appears as it is confronted.

    Its' time to step back and analyze, instead of rushing headlong into Iraq part 2 (Iran)

    i dont think anyone in here is advocating using 9/11 as a cause for further war. you're using your eagerness to go on an anti-bush/iraq rant to further your agenda. the original article said the IRA attacks in 86 were a bigger deal than 9/11. i rather find that hard to believe. VERY hard to believe.
  • i dont think anyone in here is advocating using 9/11 as a cause for further war. you're using your eagerness to go on an anti-bush/iraq rant to further your agenda. the original article said the IRA attacks in 86 were a bigger deal than 9/11. i rather find that hard to believe. VERY hard to believe.

    Are you kidding? It's all about 9/11. 9/11 is everything...it's the reason everything is the way it is right now.

    From the political perspective, It's like it happened yesterday.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    ryan198 wrote:
    Ok...if you insist...The aftereffects of 9/11 were far more damaging to our world than the actual blowing up of the buildings, and it was done for a far better reason (not that I agree with the way it was acted out per se) than anything our government has done since. Those attacks were attempts by the relatively voiceless in this world, those that have been taken advantage of by the west for years to symbolically destroy the system that which has served to oppress them over the last 70 or so years. Unfortuanately, now the US government has an excuse to go and blow them up even more, remove human rights from those in their own country, and consistently point back to "9/11" as a case study for why we need to remove rights. It's absolutely pathetic where the US has gone since that day.

    wow just wow. it was done for a far better reason than what our government has done since?

    tell me again, what was that reason? people like you make me sick to my stomach. you should be ashamed to call yourself an american.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    He's right. the loss of life was is not the be all, and end all, of everything in the world thus forward. Many common statistics dwarf it by comparison.
    you cant use "common" statistics. this wasnt a common event. he compared it to people dying of cancer. or smoking. to compare it to anything marginalizes the innocent loss of life.
    Is the US to ever get over 9/11 and feel the need to punish those responsible?
    I love it. we should just get over it huh. would you say that if you lost your brother or father? why should we stop trying to punish those responsible? why?
    It's time to forgive and forget a little perhaps no? Holding this grudge all the way to WW3/WW4 (WW3 for the average...WW4 if you're a zionist) is a bit much after all these years now don't you think?

    Stamping out terrorism. The phrase doesn't even compute in reality. Vowing to end terrorism is the same as saying you vow to promote perpetual war againt an unknown. It appears as it is confronted.

    Its' time to step back and analyze, instead of rushing headlong into Iraq part 2 (Iran)
    all I can say is I wish I can meet you one day. we'll talk about this like a couple of men. yea, lets just forget about the whole day thing. fuck it.

    and the rest of your garbage....unfucking believable.
  • jlew24asu wrote:
    you cant use "common" statistics. this wasnt a common event. he compared it to people dying of cancer. or smoking. to compare it to anything marginalizes the innocent loss of life.

    I love it. we should just get over it huh. would you say that if you lost your brother or father? why should we stop trying to punish those responsible? why?

    all I can say is I wish I can meet you one day. we'll talk about this like a couple of men. yea, lets just forget about the whole day thing. fuck it.

    and the rest of your garbage....unfucking believable.


    It happened, it was terrible. I wanted to glass parking lot the entire middle east at the time for pretty much every day up until 2004. That's back when I let the media spoon feed me daily at face value. The death of one person is a tragedy. I've watched people die up close and personal. It's sucks. It's sobering. Time stands still and nothing else in this world matters. No amount of money (or anything) can compensate or relieve the pain. I'm facing my own mortality in a few months. It's really more solidified in your head because the media has pounded it there every day up until now.. It hasn't stopped for one minute. 9/11 is like the new big bang in America.

    Bush sounds the exact same today as he was on 9/12.

    I find that more unbelievable in reality.
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  • jlew24asu wrote:
    wow just wow. it was done for a far better reason than what our government has done since?

    tell me again, what was that reason? people like you make me sick to my stomach. you should be ashamed to call yourself an american.

    They attack us because we are over there; blowback according to the CIA and the 911 commission report. Rightous indignation doesn't change the predictablity of these events. We shouldn't be outwitted and drawn into the terrorist agenda of radicalizing their moderates.
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I love it. we should just get over it huh. would you say that if you lost your brother or father? why should we stop trying to punish those responsible? why?
  • ryan198 wrote:
    Ok...if you insist...The aftereffects of 9/11 were far more damaging to our world than the actual blowing up of the buildings, and it was done for a far better reason (not that I agree with the way it was acted out per se) than anything our government has done since. Those attacks were attempts by the relatively voiceless in this world, those that have been taken advantage of by the west for years to symbolically destroy the system that which has served to oppress them over the last 70 or so years. Unfortuanately, now the US government has an excuse to go and blow them up even more, remove human rights from those in their own country, and consistently point back to "9/11" as a case study for why we need to remove rights. It's absolutely pathetic where the US has gone since that day.

    The sooner you are off this planet the happier i'll be. Consider yourself ignored.
  • ryan198ryan198 Posts: 1,015
    jlew24asu wrote:
    wow just wow. it was done for a far better reason than what our government has done since?

    tell me again, what was that reason? people like you make me sick to my stomach. you should be ashamed to call yourself an american.
    I'm actually not ashamed to call myself an american, I just understand what being an american means, the unearned privileges it affords me just because i was born here and not somewhere halfway across the globe, and the way people like you take advantage of it without thinking of the consequences about it. i never said 9/11 wasn't a terrible loss of life, it was, it's just that the use of 9/11 by our government (read: really rich, white, motherfuckers) to opress those who aren't really rich and white is far more messed up than what happened on 9/11. sorry if you disagree or choose to wish i was dead, i only wish that on a select few... certainly not those in the buildings on 9/11 nor those in iraq, nor those in asia who manufacture almost all of OUR (myself included) goods, those in the dominican republic who do the same, and so on.
  • PaperPlatesPaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    810wmb wrote:
    hahahahahah...guilt my ass!

    you feel guilty?


    Yes, yes they do. The only people who feel more guilty than Liberals are Catholics. Go figure.
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