From the day your born...

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  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    Mitosis is continually slowing down throughout life... so in a sense, Yes you are always slowly dying.
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  • MattCameronKicksButt
    MattCameronKicksButt Posts: 4,317
    he still stands wrote:
    Mitosis is continually slowing down throughout life... so in a sense, Yes you are always slowly dying.

    what does mitosis mean?
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    My Mum says that to me all the time. :)

    And she's quite correct really, birth and death are the absolutes in the spectrum of life. If you are born, then you must die at some point.
    And if you've already been born, then there's only death left in terms of absolutes.

    Her point of course, is that you can't change that you exist and you can't change that at some point you won't exist any more, so best be enjoying the existence while you can.

    Or you could take PJ's word for it!
    "I know I was born and I know I will die, the in between is mine. I am mine." :)
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  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    MattCameronKicksButt wrote:
    what does mitosis mean?

    a cell divides into two identical cells. the slowing down of the process causes "aging"

    I took two advanced genetics classes in college :)
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  • MattCameronKicksButt
    MattCameronKicksButt Posts: 4,317
    he still stands wrote:
    a cell divides into two identical cells. the slowing down of the process causes "aging"

    I took two advanced genetics classes in college :)

    Thanks
  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    MattCameronKicksButt wrote:
    Thanks

    No prob.

    Its actually a very interesting theory... and I don't know why more funds haven't been applied to the research of this, but here it goes:

    we know WHY someone ages and eventually their body becomes susceptible to diseases... its because they don't have enough healthy cells regenerating. If we could figure out HOW to set a standard mitosis regeneration rate (instead of the normal slowing down of mitosis) --- BINGO!!! --- immortality!!!

    Also, did you know that we are very close to being able to have a "head transplant"??? (no shit) The only thing that cannot be solved is how to fuse the spinal cord, the spine itself and everything else can be done!
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    MattCameronKicksButt wrote:
    Really, I'm talking about this in a literal sense. Why does your body continue to grow if you are dying? Somebody challenge me please. But be nice, I am quite sensitive.

    Jack London said, upon reaching forty, "the decay has begun".

    I disagree.
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  • faithful227
    faithful227 Posts: 352
    MattCameronKicksButt wrote:
    My friend once said that from the second you were born, you are dying. In a literal sense. I didn't agree. What do you think?


    good thread...interesting opinions, no arguing. i like.
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  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,337
    he still stands wrote:
    we know WHY someone ages and eventually their body becomes susceptible to diseases... its because they don't have enough healthy cells regenerating. If we could figure out HOW to set a standard mitosis regeneration rate (instead of the normal slowing down of mitosis) --- BINGO!!! --- immortality!!!

    The only problem with effecting the mitotic rate is that it by itself would not cause immortality.
    The are entirely too many factors that would need to be addressed. As we grow older, the constant replication of our DNA becomes more and more flawed (start and stop codons, erroneous base pairs, etc.) with the means to repair the flaws becoming less and less prevalent. The mitotic spindles, microtubules and microfilaments also become less viable over time. Protein and transport protein depredation occurs more rapidly and primary, secondary, tertiary (+all) biochemical pathways fail. Cellular adhesion, and the means for cellular messaging become ever decreasing in functionality. There are about 100+ other factors that cause this...including the mitotic rate changes, but it is by no means the biggest or most important reason for cell death.
    And it completely excludes the mechanisms of neuropathology and endocrinology.
  • lucylespian
    lucylespian Posts: 2,403
    OK sensitive guy, I wasn't too caught up in the gender of whoever said this.

    I'm going to suggest that to say we start dying from teh moment of our birth is not true, in either a literal or figurative sense.

    Birth is just a point in a continuum, not a defining event. Sure , there is a change in blood flow from placenta to lungs, and kidneys and liver etc bear an increased burden of work, but there is not but any means a beginnig of consciousness or any other thing like that. nor is it the beginning of memory.

    After birth we continue to grow, our tissue mature, our brain grows, our skin chenges, we are hormonally active.

    There a re roughly three stages of development..
    0-5 - infancy
    5-15 - childhood
    15-25 - adulthood training

    from 25 to 40 we mature frome nascent newly qulifed adults into fully mature adults at teh peak of our physical and mental strength.

    After 40 we begin to decline, slow of fast depending on how well we cared for ourselves.
    I am 43 and I can still bench my body weight, do 40 push-ups in a single set and do over 30 dips in a go.
    I do not consider that I am dying.

    If I were suffering from a terminal disease, I would say I am dying.
    I don't think you are really dying , until you are looking at what you are going to die from, as opposed to die with.
    For example, if I was 65 and had prostate cancer, but was otherwise healthy (defined by the ability to play golf and root my girl), I would not agree that I am dying.

    Right now, I am living, though my body will never, and has never stopped changing, right from the moment of my conception.

    That change is not teh same as dying !!
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  • Alex_Coe
    Alex_Coe Posts: 762
    How can you be 40 and still use net dialogue like that... "teh".
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    hmm, well, this all depends on how we define death and birth.

    The individual cells that make up our pattern in nature are constantly dying and being born. We are a collection of these cells, with few exceptions our cells constantly recycle. It's the pattern that changes and dies.

    I think it's false to say that at any point we 'begin' dying.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    my nearly 8 year old said that she is gonna die on her birthday. she was non specific about which actual birthday. which is good cause her 8th is in 15 days.
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  • lucylespian
    lucylespian Posts: 2,403
    Alex_Coe wrote:
    How can you be 40 and still use net dialogue like that... "teh".

    "teh" is an ancient and noble, as well as mystical martial art, founded in 1964 by a group of monks had two left thumbs.

    I am the secret heir, descended directly from the line of the head monk, "Teh", who name meant "something, we are not sure what" !!

    When I eventually reveal myself to teh world, all near spellings of this mystical word will revert to the true form, confirming me as the worst typist in teh world, an influence so prevasive, no-one in my realm of influence will be able to type any other form of this word.

    Or I'm just a cunt !!

    Yoo just gonna have to wait adn see !!! Tee hee !!
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    lucylespian wrote:
    "teh" is an ancient and noble, as well as mystical martial art, founded in 1964 by a group of monks had two left thumbs.

    I am the secret heir, descended directly from the line of the head monk, "Teh", who name meant "something, we are not sure what" !!

    When I eventually reveal myself to teh world, all near spellings of this mystical word will revert to the true form, confirming me as the worst typist in teh world, an influence so prevasive, no-one in my realm of influence will be able to type any other form of this word.

    Or I'm just a cunt !!

    Yoo just gonna have to wait adn see !!! Tee hee !!
    well hello teh, i am jsut.
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  • Vedderlution_Baby
    Vedderlution_Baby Posts: 2,535
    catefrances wrote:
    my nearly 8 year old said that she is gonna die on her birthday. she was non specific about which actual birthday. which is good cause her 8th is in 15 days.


    wow. that's actually pretty fucking creepy
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:
    wow. that's actually pretty fucking creepy

    oh no you just dont understand zoe. she's a wicked cool little girl. named her pink bunny kurt cobain. :) thinks the lemonheads covering proud scum's 'rabbit' is the best. she thinks its about rabbits and carrots. and im not going to correct her on that atm. :)
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  • lucylespian
    lucylespian Posts: 2,403
    gue_barium wrote:
    well hello teh, i am jsut.


    Ah, jsut, the ancient art of barely getting things, not to be confuse with teh double beaked Egyptian god of almost !!

    Which remionds me, nay ever hear about teh dyslexic, insomniac, agnostic ???














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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    lucylespian wrote:
    Ah, jsut, the ancient art of barely getting things, not to be confuse with teh double beaked Egyptian god of almost !!

    Which remionds me, nay ever hear about teh dyslexic, insomniac, agnostic ???















    Lay awake all night wondering if there really is a dog !!

    well...
    a jsut dog would never allow such a thing as all taht.
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  • hsewif
    hsewif Posts: 444
    catefrances wrote:
    oh no you just dont understand zoe. she's a wicked cool little girl. named her pink bunny kurt cobain. :) thinks the lemonheads covering proud scum's 'rabbit' is the best. she thinks its about rabbits and carrots. and im not going to correct her on that atm. :)

    that makes it even more creepier.

    Emo 8 year olds? what is this world coming to?

    --and to answer the original question...

    every day spent 'alive' is one day closer to 'death'. Live each day as if it were your last because you never know...

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