From the day your born...
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My friend once said that from the second you were born, you are dying. In a literal sense. I didn't agree. What do you think?
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when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Tell him this:
You are only truly alive at a Pearl Jam show. Any time in between, you might as well be dead.
SHE is a Pearl Jam fan!
Babies grow... 6 feet tall. You aren't dying till you're "over the hill", ie 50 years old.
Well, your body is ever replenishing itself.
I guess until you reach the point where this isn't the case you aren't in a sense "dying".
So if you were to graph the "living body" it would basically look like an upside down U...or a rainbow if you will.
Tell her she is not dying... more like she has merely been set upon the road that leads her towards death. And that growth is as much a part of life as death is. The road teaches you... you learn and you grow.
and death is the passage at the end of this life. Where it leads, no one knows for sure. Does it lead to another level of conscienousness or lead you into a void? No one knows. Which tells you... enjoy life by living. This is the only known guatantee... right now... right here. No one is guaranteed a tomorrow.
Hail, Hail!!!
im not dying yet
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Well yeah...that's how it works. Another reason to renovate your diet and regularly train your muscles and lungs...(aside from looking hot and buff).
Look at anyone who eats right and exercises and they all look 10-15 years younger than they are...reason being because they are. You can reverse time and improve your life by getting off the couch... Life is all about use it or lose it.
but everyone knows that already...few have the balls to do it. Only 1 in 1000 people will ever see their abs in their lifetime.
Once you are born you are stamped with a shelf life and on your merry way you go...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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When was that Marilyn Manson song written?
'96. one of the songs on "antichrist superstar". dont recall the song but i'll bust out the CD if you want me to check it out.
word.
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well heres the lyrics to that song anyway...
"The Minute Of Decay"
there's not much left to love
tootired today to hate
I feel the empty
I feel the minute of decay
I'm on my way down now, I'd like to take you with me
I'm on my way down
I'm on my way down now, I'd like to take you with me
I'm on my way down
the minute that it's born
it begins to die
I'd love to just give in,
I'd love to live this lie
I've been to black and back
I've whited out my name
a lack of pain, a lack of hope,
a lack of anything to say
there is no cure for what is killing me
I'm on my way down
I've looked ahead and saw a
world that's dead
I guess that I am too
[chorus]
I'm on my way down now, I'd like to take you with me...
and yeah, i think its "avocado", or self titled, whichever you prefer :-)
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"You are", becomes "you're", NOT "your" !!!!
and the other thing, why wait until you are born, why not extend the idea to the moment of fertilization ?? I really ask, say he is right, what was his point ???
1, I know it's 'you're' not 'your' - I made a mistake.
2, Thank you, I will think about this. (but) From the moment of fertilization, you continue to grow until you are about (50 or so). Maybe then you are starting to die.
There is another point here. Whether you believe in an afterlife or not, which is not what I was asking. Maybe I was right after all and it is a matter of scientific fact????
3, SHE asked the question. Not He. Why do you presume it was a guy?
When does your body start to die?
what does mitosis mean?
And she's quite correct really, birth and death are the absolutes in the spectrum of life. If you are born, then you must die at some point.
And if you've already been born, then there's only death left in terms of absolutes.
Her point of course, is that you can't change that you exist and you can't change that at some point you won't exist any more, so best be enjoying the existence while you can.
Or you could take PJ's word for it!
"I know I was born and I know I will die, the in between is mine. I am mine."
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
a cell divides into two identical cells. the slowing down of the process causes "aging"
I took two advanced genetics classes in college
Thanks
No prob.
Its actually a very interesting theory... and I don't know why more funds haven't been applied to the research of this, but here it goes:
we know WHY someone ages and eventually their body becomes susceptible to diseases... its because they don't have enough healthy cells regenerating. If we could figure out HOW to set a standard mitosis regeneration rate (instead of the normal slowing down of mitosis) --- BINGO!!! --- immortality!!!
Also, did you know that we are very close to being able to have a "head transplant"??? (no shit) The only thing that cannot be solved is how to fuse the spinal cord, the spine itself and everything else can be done!
Jack London said, upon reaching forty, "the decay has begun".
I disagree.
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good thread...interesting opinions, no arguing. i like.
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The only problem with effecting the mitotic rate is that it by itself would not cause immortality.
The are entirely too many factors that would need to be addressed. As we grow older, the constant replication of our DNA becomes more and more flawed (start and stop codons, erroneous base pairs, etc.) with the means to repair the flaws becoming less and less prevalent. The mitotic spindles, microtubules and microfilaments also become less viable over time. Protein and transport protein depredation occurs more rapidly and primary, secondary, tertiary (+all) biochemical pathways fail. Cellular adhesion, and the means for cellular messaging become ever decreasing in functionality. There are about 100+ other factors that cause this...including the mitotic rate changes, but it is by no means the biggest or most important reason for cell death.
And it completely excludes the mechanisms of neuropathology and endocrinology.
I'm going to suggest that to say we start dying from teh moment of our birth is not true, in either a literal or figurative sense.
Birth is just a point in a continuum, not a defining event. Sure , there is a change in blood flow from placenta to lungs, and kidneys and liver etc bear an increased burden of work, but there is not but any means a beginnig of consciousness or any other thing like that. nor is it the beginning of memory.
After birth we continue to grow, our tissue mature, our brain grows, our skin chenges, we are hormonally active.
There a re roughly three stages of development..
0-5 - infancy
5-15 - childhood
15-25 - adulthood training
from 25 to 40 we mature frome nascent newly qulifed adults into fully mature adults at teh peak of our physical and mental strength.
After 40 we begin to decline, slow of fast depending on how well we cared for ourselves.
I am 43 and I can still bench my body weight, do 40 push-ups in a single set and do over 30 dips in a go.
I do not consider that I am dying.
If I were suffering from a terminal disease, I would say I am dying.
I don't think you are really dying , until you are looking at what you are going to die from, as opposed to die with.
For example, if I was 65 and had prostate cancer, but was otherwise healthy (defined by the ability to play golf and root my girl), I would not agree that I am dying.
Right now, I am living, though my body will never, and has never stopped changing, right from the moment of my conception.
That change is not teh same as dying !!