I struggled out of my bed this morning as there was a tap tap tapping on my door. I didn't answer it on account of I peeked out the window and saw a tall, very American looking gentleman with a book under his arm, and could hear two little old ladies discussing me on my porch.
After threatening the dog with death if he barked I snuck back to bed and back to sleep and forgot all about them.
When I got up this afternoon what do I spy on the floor slipped under my door? A small pamphlet. :rolleyes:
I mention it at all because I find it ironic that we were only just having that discussion on the Mormon thread about the little old ladies from the Jehovah's peddling at my door.
The reason I mention it here is that the pamphlet is entitled, "Who really rules the world?"
So now I'd like to know two things.
1) Is the original poster a Jehovah's Witness with an agenda?
2) Does anybody think it's likely that the little old ladies from the Jehovah's Witnesses here in Australia are members of the pit?
:eek: see I told ya... they know everything :eek:
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Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
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What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure-one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.
Wow. First I've seen of that quote. With some of the snazzy new laws the US has enacted over the last half-decade, shouldn't that be grounds for an extended water-boarding vacation in some Eastern European hellhole?
I, for one, don’t think it is beyond comprehension that the inner circle of a group like Bildeberg would have a goal as grandiose as one-world economy and government. Rockefeller admits it above. Now, they might not even view it as an evil scheme….my guess would be that they believe globalization is the natural evolution of capitalism, and hey….in their eyes, capitalism is a pretty damn good thing, I'm sure. Combine that with a little arrogance ("the common man is too ignorant to understand this" or " the common man does not need to know every detail about the economies inner workings" ), and I can see the recipe for the elite to not care at all about accountability. This is the same reason that I don't think it's beyond comprehension that 9/11 could have been an inside job.
People always seem to think that, simply because of the number of people it would take to pull off, it is impossible. Even if it would take hundreds of people to pull off, the individuals invovled don’t need to know more than their own role. Very few people would need to know the entire scheme. It might appear vaguely suspicious to someone involved, but without proof to implicate wrongdoing by the person giving you your orders, what would you do with those suspicions, if you were even inclined to do anything? (which a lot of people wouldn't be.)
Having a powerful, select few in government, business, security, and the media willing to play along, would go a long way toward being able to control anything, simply thru chain of command.….and as stated in the lead article, any potentially explosive issue can be controlled by playing both sides of the issue and filtering it thru the media.
The big lies are more likely to be believed…
My question is this:
Is there anything the average guy can do as a hedge against this economic collapse? (I edited a 'supposed' out of that sentence…I believe it will happen). Being debt free sounds like a good start….at least the banks couldn't confiscate your belongings…but most people can't become landowners without debt. So you either end up being a landowner in debt….or a renter with disposable cash. If you have cash and the dollar collapses, and inflation skyrockets, aren't you just as f'd? Won't rent skyrocket too? How can we save ourselves from being looted if it does come to full depression? Blue chip stocks? Gold? Or is the middle class hooped no matter what?
Some interesting business news involving some names familiar to this thread.
I don't know if I completely understand this…but the investment community is up in arms about it.....to me it sounds like this conglomerate of banks is getting together to cover themselves and each other by buying junk paper that no one else will buy….in other words, they are creating an artificial market to delay the inevitable crash of SIV's….but they set it up under the supervision of the SEC and the Treasury…and government involvment seems to be regarded as a sign that things are really bad.
This seems to have helped them in a few ways...
Finding a legal way to keep these bad investments off of their balance sheets...
A way to pool any SIV's that have any value left to them...
Delaying a run on these investments, which could have a serious impact on both the stock market and the banks' reputations…however, the delay could just make things worse….which in my eyes, makes consolidation of major banks, and taxpayer bailout more of a reality (esp with the treasury and SEC involved already).
I'm kinda talkin out my ass here tho….this is all confusing as hell….they are leveraging bad debt like four times over….ponzi anyone?
Some interesting business news involving some names familiar to this thread.
I don't know if I completely understand this…but the investment community is up in arms about it.....to me it sounds like this conglomerate of banks is getting together to cover themselves and each other by buying junk paper that no one else will buy….in other words, they are creating an artificial market to delay the inevitable crash of SIV's….but they set it up under the supervision of the SEC and the Treasury…and government involvment seems to be regarded as a sign that things are really bad.
This seems to have helped them in a few ways...
Finding a legal way to keep these bad investments off of their balance sheets...
A way to pool any SIV's that have any value left to them...
Delaying a run on these investments, which could have a serious impact on both the stock market and the banks' reputations…however, the delay could just make things worse….which in my eyes, makes consolidation of major banks, and taxpayer bailout more of a reality (esp with the treasury and SEC involved already).
I'm kinda talkin out my ass here tho….this is all confusing as hell….they are leveraging bad debt like four times over….ponzi anyone?
a. This sounds a LOT like what went on during the "Savings and Loan Scandal" in the mid-to-late 80's. Namely, the government got to work creating all kinds of schemes to allow the large bankers\S&Ls to avoid inevitable (otherwise) doom.
The government literally approved of all sorts of shady accounting practices to allow these institutions to keep the truth off their financial statements ... and at the end of the day, the Fed (backed by uncle sam, ie. YOU) bailed out those instutitions to the tune of about ONE POINT FOUR TRILLION DOLLARS.
b. If you think this is all just innocent, and "how the system is supposed to work" well, you'd be partly right ... it IS how it is supposed to work, but NOT for you or me ...
CHECK THIS: The primary bank at risk here, the most on the edge, is CITIBANK.
HERE IS A BIT OF INFO FOR YOU: the top eight stockholders of the New York Federal Reserve [the largest of all the regional reserves] were, in order from largest to smallest as of 1983, Citibank, Chase Manhatten, Morgan Guaranty Trust, Chemical Bank, Manufacturers Hanover Trust, Bankers Trust Company, National Bank of North America, and the Bank of New York (Mullins, p. 179).
1983 was the last time the world ever heard who was an owner of the Fed. After that, all disclosure stopped. Safe to say, CITIBANK was one of the PRIMARY owners\investors in the Fed.
If you've read any of my other posts, you would know that i've been espousing that the main purpose of the Federal Reserve is to be the arm which allows the largest banks to act with the most risk (ie. the most potential profit) but incur NONE of that risk by having a system that bails THEM out (but not smaller banks) EVERYTIME.
Citibank has done this before, i could dig out my book and give you specifics.
THIS IS BULLSHIT OF THE HIGHEST ORDER.
THE MARKETS ARE RIGGED.
"FREE" MY ASS.
:(
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
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Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Wow. First I've seen of that quote. With some of the snazzy new laws the US has enacted over the last half-decade, shouldn't that be grounds for an extended water-boarding vacation in some Eastern European hellhole?
I, for one, don’t think it is beyond comprehension that the inner circle of a group like Bildeberg would have a goal as grandiose as one-world economy and government. Rockefeller admits it above. Now, they might not even view it as an evil scheme….my guess would be that they believe globalization is the natural evolution of capitalism, and hey….in their eyes, capitalism is a pretty damn good thing, I'm sure. Combine that with a little arrogance ("the common man is too ignorant to understand this" or " the common man does not need to know every detail about the economies inner workings" ), and I can see the recipe for the elite to not care at all about accountability. This is the same reason that I don't think it's beyond comprehension that 9/11 could have been an inside job.
People always seem to think that, simply because of the number of people it would take to pull off, it is impossible. Even if it would take hundreds of people to pull off, the individuals invovled don’t need to know more than their own role. Very few people would need to know the entire scheme. It might appear vaguely suspicious to someone involved, but without proof to implicate wrongdoing by the person giving you your orders, what would you do with those suspicions, if you were even inclined to do anything? (which a lot of people wouldn't be.)
Having a powerful, select few in government, business, security, and the media willing to play along, would go a long way toward being able to control anything, simply thru chain of command.….and as stated in the lead article, any potentially explosive issue can be controlled by playing both sides of the issue and filtering it thru the media.
The big lies are more likely to be believed…
My question is this:
Is there anything the average guy can do as a hedge against this economic collapse? (I edited a 'supposed' out of that sentence…I believe it will happen). Being debt free sounds like a good start….at least the banks couldn't confiscate your belongings…but most people can't become landowners without debt. So you either end up being a landowner in debt….or a renter with disposable cash. If you have cash and the dollar collapses, and inflation skyrockets, aren't you just as f'd? Won't rent skyrocket too? How can we save ourselves from being looted if it does come to full depression? Blue chip stocks? Gold? Or is the middle class hooped no matter what?
http://www.rgemonitor.com/blog/roubini
Some interesting business news involving some names familiar to this thread.
I don't know if I completely understand this…but the investment community is up in arms about it.....to me it sounds like this conglomerate of banks is getting together to cover themselves and each other by buying junk paper that no one else will buy….in other words, they are creating an artificial market to delay the inevitable crash of SIV's….but they set it up under the supervision of the SEC and the Treasury…and government involvment seems to be regarded as a sign that things are really bad.
This seems to have helped them in a few ways...
Finding a legal way to keep these bad investments off of their balance sheets...
A way to pool any SIV's that have any value left to them...
Delaying a run on these investments, which could have a serious impact on both the stock market and the banks' reputations…however, the delay could just make things worse….which in my eyes, makes consolidation of major banks, and taxpayer bailout more of a reality (esp with the treasury and SEC involved already).
I'm kinda talkin out my ass here tho….this is all confusing as hell….they are leveraging bad debt like four times over….ponzi anyone?
Forum discussion:
http://www.tickerforum.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www?post=11406
OH SHIT!
You are right.
WE ARE FUCKED.
I will make this real quick and non-technical.
a. This sounds a LOT like what went on during the "Savings and Loan Scandal" in the mid-to-late 80's. Namely, the government got to work creating all kinds of schemes to allow the large bankers\S&Ls to avoid inevitable (otherwise) doom.
The government literally approved of all sorts of shady accounting practices to allow these institutions to keep the truth off their financial statements ... and at the end of the day, the Fed (backed by uncle sam, ie. YOU) bailed out those instutitions to the tune of about ONE POINT FOUR TRILLION DOLLARS.
b. If you think this is all just innocent, and "how the system is supposed to work" well, you'd be partly right ... it IS how it is supposed to work, but NOT for you or me ...
CHECK THIS: The primary bank at risk here, the most on the edge, is CITIBANK.
HERE IS A BIT OF INFO FOR YOU: the top eight stockholders of the New York Federal Reserve [the largest of all the regional reserves] were, in order from largest to smallest as of 1983, Citibank, Chase Manhatten, Morgan Guaranty Trust, Chemical Bank, Manufacturers Hanover Trust, Bankers Trust Company, National Bank of North America, and the Bank of New York (Mullins, p. 179).
1983 was the last time the world ever heard who was an owner of the Fed. After that, all disclosure stopped. Safe to say, CITIBANK was one of the PRIMARY owners\investors in the Fed.
If you've read any of my other posts, you would know that i've been espousing that the main purpose of the Federal Reserve is to be the arm which allows the largest banks to act with the most risk (ie. the most potential profit) but incur NONE of that risk by having a system that bails THEM out (but not smaller banks) EVERYTIME.
Citibank has done this before, i could dig out my book and give you specifics.
THIS IS BULLSHIT OF THE HIGHEST ORDER.
THE MARKETS ARE RIGGED.
"FREE" MY ASS.
:(
If I opened it now would you not understand?