It's pretty trippy. I think they mixed up the order of the police and riot police though. I like how the ballot/media boxes form a solid wall.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I would totally use that Tinfoil Hat when guarding the Lumber Mill...You don't know how many times I've been mind controlled to jump off the cliff to my death by a priest. Although, situationally, I should always have a grounding totem down to absorb the MC, or a tremor totem if it ticks will actually remove the charm.
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Oh man those mats are rediculous! 99 tin bars is like 30 some hours of farming, and ive never even seen troll tears drop...they must be very RARE!
you all should watch this link..... basically covers why we have a centralised banking system, the myth that is any form of religion, and how america finds it's way into every decent conflict of the past century or so!!!! flame away, please
It's all fun and games until someone loses their country.
Exactly! :eek: while it can be fun to invent conspiracy theories and joke about them or even talk seriously about them... what the fuck can any of us do to stop what's really going on in the world?
I was talking to my housemate about laser cards and how they're trying to get rid of cash... he thinks it's a good thing. He refuses to believe that this has anything to do with the fact that if all cash is turned to plastic, it's going to be much easier for them to trace everything we do and know where EVERY PENNY we spend is gone to. He thinks that's fine... even when I asked him where people will get stuff that may not necessarily be above board... he said barter will probably come back in :rolleyes: . How can people really not see what's going on? It used to be too gradual to notice but the technology age is making all this way too feckin blinding obvious... and yet people still shrug it off and laugh and think you're nuts.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Exactly! :eek: while it can be fun to invent conspiracy theories and joke about them or even talk seriously about them... what the fuck can any of us do to stop what's really going on in the world?
I was talking to my housemate about laser cards and how they're trying to get rid of cash... he thinks it's a good thing. He refuses to believe that this has anything to do with the fact that if all cash is turned to plastic, it's going to be much easier for them to trace everything we do and know where EVERY PENNY we spend is gone to. He thinks that's fine... even when I asked him where people will get stuff that may not necessarily be above board... he said barter will probably come back in :rolleyes: . How can people really not see what's going on? It used to be too gradual to notice but the technology age is making all this way too feckin blinding obvious... and yet people still shrug it off and laugh and think you're nuts.
The people who shrug off this stuff probably believe reality TV is actually real. You can't convince people to believe something they have never spent an ounce of time thinking about.
Speaking of EVERY PENNY...I heard on the radio this morning that Canada is considering completely eliminating the penny. I know it's just the penny, but it's a slippery slope.
You are not your job.
You are not how much money you have in the bank.
You are not the car you drive.
You are not the contents of your wallet.
You are not your fucking khakis.
The people who shrug off this stuff probably believe reality TV is actually real. You can't convince people to believe something they have never spent an ounce of time thinking about.
Speaking of EVERY PENNY...I heard on the radio this morning that Canada is considering completely eliminating the penny. I know it's just the penny, but it's a slippery slope.
yep, it's just downhill from there. I agree that not carrying around cash does have it's good points... but since when do banks actually operate in our best interests alone? But people somehow think they are when they come up with ideas like this. Once you get rid of cash, everything you buy or save will be so much easier to access.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
bin laden, world jewry, bush's neo-con masters, neurotic american security agents. the chinese, ruling army generals, industrialists, aristocrats, capital, unidentified subterranean colonies,
yep, it's just downhill from there. I agree that not carrying around cash does have it's good points... but since when do banks actually operate in our best interests alone? But people somehow think they are when they come up with ideas like this. Once you get rid of cash, everything you buy or save will be so much easier to access.
Another thing people don't think about is, just like with savings accounts, once there is no paper money, all of it will be stored in a computerized account, which means the bank can turn around behind your back and lend out your "cash" without you ever knowing ...
... you think that won't happen, but it will.
The banking industry is the ONLY industry that makes such practices legal, and publicly acceptable.
If you put your stuff in storage, would you think it's cool if the storage facility turned around and lent out your shit while you weren't using it?
Think about it.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Well banks are not storage, and haven't been for a while if they ever were. They lend the money you deposit to others and make a profit of them. For instance lending out to home buyers. Which is why you get interest on your deposit. Depositing in banks, is just the most conservative way of investment with low risk and relatively low (but safe) pay-off. If you want to store your money, get a bank box or something.
So that's not shocking, that's the concept of banks.
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
Well banks are not storage, and haven't been for a while if they ever were. They lend the money you deposit to others and make a profit of them. For instance lending out to home buyers. Which is why you get interest on your deposit. Depositing in banks, is just the most conservative way of investment with low risk and relatively low (but safe) pay-off. If you want to store your money, get a bank box or something.
So that's not shocking, that's the concept of banks.
Peace
Dan
No that is the concept of fractional reserve lending, which is what the banks have grown up to expect as a right.
There was once a day when banks lent out their own capital, not YOURS.
Just a thought.
And if you want to let the bank lend out your money, you should use a "certificate of deposit" or have a conditional checking account that allows you to withdraw conditional on the bank having your funds to give back ... time delayed withdrawal, not an "on demand" account ... otherwise it is just a pyramid scam that only works with the guarantee of the government ... ie ... the government agrees to give the banks whatever they need to cover the difference .
whatever.
in the grand scheme of things it's a "why bother" it's one of a hundred things that is severly fucked up in our world.
The whole thing will come crashing down in the next 50 years ... and by whole thing i mean life as we know it, not just the banking system.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
No that is the concept of fractional reserve lending, which is what the banks have grown up to expect as a right.
There was once a day when banks lent out their own capital, not YOURS.
Just a thought.
And if you want to let the bank lend out your money, you should use a "certificate of deposit" or have a conditional checking account that allows you to withdraw conditional on the bank having your funds to give back ... time delayed withdrawal, not an "on demand" account ... otherwise it is just a pyramid scam that only works with the guarantee of the government ... ie ... the government agrees to give the banks whatever they need to cover the difference .
whatever.
in the grand scheme of things it's a "why bother" it's one of a hundred things that is severly fucked up in our world.
The whole thing will come crashing down in the next 50 years ... and by whole thing i mean life as we know it, not just the banking system.
Well, why'd they want your money, and pay you for it, if they weren't using it for anything?
It may be fucked up, but that's how it works. And things will come crashing down, as they are all bound to do at some point. The interesting part is what is built on the ruins.
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
Well, why'd they want your money, and pay you for it, if they weren't using it for anything?
It may be fucked up, but that's how it works. And things will come crashing down, as they are all bound to do at some point. The interesting part is what is built on the ruins.
Peace
Dan
or what grows between the bricks.
we don’t know just where our bones will rest,
to dust i guess,
forgotten and absorbed into the earth below,..
Well, why'd they want your money, and pay you for it, if they weren't using it for anything?
It may be fucked up, but that's how it works. And things will come crashing down, as they are all bound to do at some point. The interesting part is what is built on the ruins.
Peace
Dan
When the system was run on HONEST money (ie. GOLD) banks were really just like grain silos.
They would take your gold, and give you a "note" (what we now call "cash" -- ie. "this NOTE is legal tender") ...
... they would also CHARGE YOU A FEE.
Then they got "smart" and decided that they would actually just lend out your gold while you weren't in need of it ... that way they didn't have to charge you, and you were more likely to deposit with them instead of a competitor that WAS charging you ... in fact, this 1-to-1 deal actually wasn't so bad ... it didn't inherently inflate the money supply ... all YOU had was a note to redeem your gold, and someone else had your gold ... at the end of the day, the BANKER was responsible to cover that ... if your note ended up back at the bank, "your" gold was coming back to you some how ... and the amount of gold in the system was made whole ...
however, finally bankers decided that wasn't enough ... just making interest on your gold just wasn't going to cut it ... oh no ... not by a long shot ...
actually, they would take your gold, and give you a note ... and then they would WRITE TEN NOTES WITH INTEREST and give them to other people ... feeling fairly confident that the gold you had given them would be enough ... yeah, only 1 of those 11 people (the ten, plus you) would ever need that gold at once, right?
RIGHT?
Uh ... W-R-O-N-G
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If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
My point was merely that it is in the nature of modern banking to invest the money they handle. That ain't new nor shocking. I am aware of the gold standard arguments. But I dont necessarily view this in the same frame that you do.
The system of today is based on something as well, just nothing as tangible as gold, more like the credibility and value of the individual countries.
Is that the best system possible? Probably not. Does it in many ways work, albeit in ups and downs? Mostly, yes. And I'm the socialist here. I'm always open for suggestions for improvements, although I tend to be sceptical of "good old days" solutions, as I am sceptical of theories relying on the doings of "evil greedy men" as the reason of all ills.
I am a socialist with anarchistic tendencies, and this system would probably not be first on my list, if I were to choose. However, I also try to be pragmatic about it. Wouldn't a sudden return to gold have severe consequences worldwide for instance? And is it so important to base it on gold, when money can be based on pretty much anything we choose to?
I'm not an economist, so I cant really answer that. Anyone around in this thread?
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
My point was merely that it is in the nature of modern banking to invest the money they handle. That ain't new nor shocking.
To most people who are ignorant of the true workings of the financial system, the corruption and extreme special interest serving nature of the Federal Reserve cartel IS shocking. And relatively speaking, it IS still new ... not yet 100 years old even.
Also, you are correct, it IS the theory of modern banking, but before 1913 the BANKS were responsible if they over lent so greedily that they caused their own insolvency ... THEY WENT BANKRUPT!
Today, if you are a JP Morgan Chase or a Citibank, THE GOVERNMENT WILL BAIL YOU OUT.
Do you not comprehend that for the government to step in and gaurantee a private corporation with either YOUR TAX DOLLARS DIRECTLY or by allowing the Fed to print more money to cover them indirectly INFLATING YOUR CURRENCY is a GROSS INJUSTICE TO THE ENTIRE PUBLIC?
The system of today is based on something as well, just nothing as tangible as gold, more like the credibility and value of the individual countries.
OMFG.
Yes. That is exactly what the "text books" explain.
The truth of that is that the system is "based on" the shady dealings of a corrupt collusion of bankers who drafted up a federal act in their own self interst.
The fundamental "basis" ... your so called "lender of last resort" is THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ... you like that? Fine.
If you are happy with bailing out greedy bankers every time they lend so wildly that they cant cover their own liabilities, even with the billions upon billions that they reap in each year ... even with a Federal Reserve System that is SUPPOSED to have enough money thrown in to it from other more honorable banks inorder to cover such a disgrace of a bank anyhow but some how never seems to have enough money in it to do its job ... at the end of the day, when the system itself doesn't do what it says it should, if you enjoy footing the bill for them so they can stay in business, great ... but it is in direct violation of the principles of the free market ... and i think it sucks a fat one!
Why are americans content to let bankers get rich off their own sweat and livelyhood. WHAT OTHER INDUSTRY WOULD YOU SUPPORT AND DEFEND WITH SUCH VEHMENENCE. Why, simply because people don't "really understand" money, do they unwittingly defend these fuckholes? THEY ARE RAPING YOU BLIND!
DOES IT MAKE MORE SENSE WHEN THOMAS JEFFERSON SPELLS IT OUT FOR YOU?
"If the American People ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around (the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." --Thomas Jefferson
SOUND A BIT PROPHETIC?
Do you see the writing on the wall, perhaps?
as I am sceptical of theories relying on the doings of "evil greedy men" as the reason of all ills.
You better wake up Dan.
This isn't some little "theory".
This is REALITY.
Representatives of JP Morgan, at his direction, and as his EXPLICIT GUESTS ON HIS PRIVATE ISLAND, along with representatives of his "nemesis", JD Rockefeller, and their government crony -- the assistant secretary of treasury, and also mastermind Paul Warburg (yes, the original DADDY WARBUCKS, no shit!) a representative of the Rothschild banking clan (hey my grandmother is a rothschild, this isn't conspiracy, it's real, i can tell you, she is RICH) ... and another mega-big banker or two all got togeather in a railroad car owned and accompanied by Senator Aldrich ... who besides being an accomplice and the person who ended up pushing this Federal Reserve bill through congress just before christmas with most senators absent in 1913 ... also just happend to be the FATHER IN LAW of JD ROCKEFELLER ... all got togeather and scheemed up a way to FUCK THE COMMON MAN and the COMMON BANKER ... yes your little local banker got fucked too ... all for the benefit of THE BIG BANKING COCKSUCKER.
However, I also try to be pragmatic about it. Wouldn't a sudden return to gold have severe consequences worldwide for instance? And is it so important to base it on gold, when money can be based on pretty much anything we choose to?
A return to the gold standard would probably have some pretty severe consequences, yes.
Here is one for housing prices ... another great form of debt.
You don't think there will be HELL TO PAY either way?
Like i have been big fonting throughout this thread, there are only so many times a bank can roll over a loan before it freaks out and runs to "daddy" ... ie ... the government ... alias YOU AND ME ...
so what do you prefer?
Set things right with honest money and let those who are primarily responsible shoulder the primary brunt of this?
Or do you want to wait until they all fuck themselves in the face and come to RAPE YOU AND ME DIRECTLY instead !?!
Another thing people don't think about is, just like with savings accounts, once there is no paper money, all of it will be stored in a computerized account, which means the bank can turn around behind your back and lend out your "cash" without you ever knowing ...
... you think that won't happen, but it will.
The banking industry is the ONLY industry that makes such practices legal, and publicly acceptable.
If you put your stuff in storage, would you think it's cool if the storage facility turned around and lent out your shit while you weren't using it?
Think about it.
i convert my money to gold which MAKES money for the most part. i also don't take out loans. i pay cash for everything. if i don't have the cash; i don't buy it. i look back at school mates who made close to what i made in my early 20's. they still have to work and most are struggling. they had to drive bmw's and drink $5.00 cups of coffee. they had to have big expensive houses and a big boat and things like that. these people easily paid over a million dollars in interest alone. they are slaves to the banks because of the lifestyle they chose. anyone can be successful if they live within their means.
i convert my money to gold which MAKES money for the most part. i also don't take out loans. i pay cash for everything. if i don't have the cash; i don't buy it. i look back at school mates who made close to what i made in my early 20's. they still have to work and most are struggling. they had to drive bmw's and drink $5.00 cups of coffee. they had to have big expensive houses and a big boat and things like that. these people easily paid over a million dollars in interest alone. they are slaves to the banks because of the lifestyle they chose. anyone can be successful if they live within their means.
well i don't convert my money to gold cause quite frankly i don't have sufficient disposable cash to do that. but i do pay cash for everything and ive never taken out a loan in my life. if i don't have the money then it doesn't get bought. the onlty reason i opened a bank account in the first place was cause i was told if i didn't then i wouldn't get paid.i guess i could have pursued that issue but i was a naive 16 year old at the time. i also have no intention of ever having a mortgage.
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i just need to say
Drifting, my responses will be brief and to the point.
First of all, whereas you specifically refer to the US, I dont. Banks work like that all over. Sure you americans have the private federal reserve thing going on, but europe dont. So alot of your objections and points there misses the mark. I was talking generally, not specifically the US.
Furthermore, are you suggesting that JP Morgan Rothschild etc are behind all the world's ills because of their greed? That seems to be what you are defending there. That the elite talk together and cooperate, sure. A grand conspiracy to rob us all blind? Not necessarily, although they will certainly be protecting their interests. Again I was talking generally, whereas you assume US.
And I dont see any reason for all the caps and OMFGs in there at all.
Point is that I'm not quite as alarmist on these issues, nor do I buy into any of the grand conspiracy theories. It is a system. It works in it's own way. Far from ideal, granted, but there it is. Neither do I see why any formal change in the system will change the structural underpinnings. (the rich will still be rich and will still manipulate markets and so on securing their position regardless)
But my objection initially was merely that you made a statement about banking that simply isn't true. At least not the last 100 years, which for societies and structures is a very long time indeed. Furthermore, I have been hinting at me not buying into the grand conspiracy theories which at their heart rely on evil greedy men set for world domination for their own greed. I do not object to there being many problems, nor that the elite cares for the elite. I object to the spin you put on it, and quite frankly dont find it necessary in able to explain the world and how it works currently.
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
Drifting, my responses will be brief and to the point.
First of all, whereas you specifically refer to the US, I dont. Banks work like that all over. Sure you americans have the private federal reserve thing going on, but europe dont. So alot of your objections and points there misses the mark. I was talking generally, not specifically the US.
Furthermore, are you suggesting that JP Morgan Rothschild etc are behind all the world's ills because of their greed? That seems to be what you are defending there. That the elite talk together and cooperate, sure. A grand conspiracy to rob us all blind? Not necessarily, although they will certainly be protecting their interests. Again I was talking generally, whereas you assume US.
And I dont see any reason for all the caps and OMFGs in there at all.
Point is that I'm not quite as alarmist on these issues, nor do I buy into any of the grand conspiracy theories. It is a system. It works in it's own way. Far from ideal, granted, but there it is. Neither do I see why any formal change in the system will change the structural underpinnings. (the rich will still be rich and will still manipulate markets and so on securing their position regardless)
But my objection initially was merely that you made a statement about banking that simply isn't true. At least not the last 100 years, which for societies and structures is a very long time indeed. Furthermore, I have been hinting at me not buying into the grand conspiracy theories which at their heart rely on evil greedy men set for world domination for their own greed. I do not object to there being many problems, nor that the elite cares for the elite. I object to the spin you put on it, and quite frankly dont find it necessary in able to explain the world and how it works currently.
Peace
Dan
If you don't find it necessary to understand that the very fundamentals of the US (and yes, the world, since some of the largest multinational corporotations backed by that system are in fact US corporations) banking system (and by the way, europe has a central bank too) were set up by a group of rich bankers in a very real (and documented as a "conspiracy" by members of the group themselves) eagerness to defraud the american people for their own objectives, then i can't help you.
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The fact is, the Federal Reserve system works directly in contrast with the best interests of EVERY american, and it has benn driving the WORLD closer and closer to economic peril by the day,month,year,decade ...
again, it's not a "conspiracy theory" ... it really was a conspiracy ... it actually happened ... but feel free to brush it off as just a "modern economic system that had it's underpinnnings in bank industry cooperation" ... :(
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
If you don't find it necessary to understand that the very fundamentals of the US (and yes, the world, since some of the largest multinational corporotations backed by that system are in fact US corporations) banking system (and by the way, europe has a central bank too) were set up by a group of rich bankers in a very real (and documented as a "conspiracy" by members of the group themselves) eagerness to defraud the american people for their own objectives, then i can't help you.
:(
The fact is, the Federal Reserve system works directly in contrast with the best interests of EVERY american, and it has benn driving the WORLD closer and closer to economic peril by the day,month,year,decade ...
again, it's not a "conspiracy theory" ... it really was a conspiracy ... it actually happened ... but feel free to brush it off as just a "modern economic system that had it's underpinnnings in bank industry cooperation" ... :(
I'm not brushing it off, I'm not just as doomsday and conspiracy theorist about it. People with money have power, that's the problem. A capitalist world where money talks and decides is a problem. No gold standard will help that. The problem is more fundamental and complex than the federal reserve or what have you. Thus I just add it to the "not exactly ideal" list, which just about includes everything about us humans and our society/societies.
Consider me aware of the problem, and let's leave it at that.
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
I struggled out of my bed this morning as there was a tap tap tapping on my door. I didn't answer it on account of I peeked out the window and saw a tall, very American looking gentleman with a book under his arm, and could hear two little old ladies discussing me on my porch.
After threatening the dog with death if he barked I snuck back to bed and back to sleep and forgot all about them.
When I got up this afternoon what do I spy on the floor slipped under my door? A small pamphlet. :rolleyes:
I mention it at all because I find it ironic that we were only just having that discussion on the Mormon thread about the little old ladies from the Jehovah's peddling at my door.
The reason I mention it here is that the pamphlet is entitled, "Who really rules the world?"
So now I'd like to know two things.
1) Is the original poster a Jehovah's Witness with an agenda?
2) Does anybody think it's likely that the little old ladies from the Jehovah's Witnesses here in Australia are members of the pit?
Another thing people don't think about is, just like with savings accounts, once there is no paper money, all of it will be stored in a computerized account, which means the bank can turn around behind your back and lend out your "cash" without you ever knowing ...
... you think that won't happen, but it will.
The banking industry is the ONLY industry that makes such practices legal, and publicly acceptable.
If you put your stuff in storage, would you think it's cool if the storage facility turned around and lent out your shit while you weren't using it?
Think about it.
Oh I have no faith in them at all... but that really is not my concern. I want to live in a world where what I do, what I buy, how much I save, where every penny I earn goes... is my concern and mine alone. I've never quite understood why it's come to the stage where you can't even get a JOB without a bank account? what business is it of your employer where you keep your money?
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
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That's it, I'm getting me some POT!!
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
It's pretty trippy. I think they mixed up the order of the police and riot police though. I like how the ballot/media boxes form a solid wall.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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The currents will shift
here's the proof
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I would totally use that Tinfoil Hat when guarding the Lumber Mill...You don't know how many times I've been mind controlled to jump off the cliff to my death by a priest. Although, situationally, I should always have a grounding totem down to absorb the MC, or a tremor totem if it ticks will actually remove the charm.
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Oh man those mats are rediculous! 99 tin bars is like 30 some hours of farming, and ive never even seen troll tears drop...they must be very RARE!
You got to spend it all
you all should watch this link..... basically covers why we have a centralised banking system, the myth that is any form of religion, and how america finds it's way into every decent conflict of the past century or so!!!! flame away, please
I was talking to my housemate about laser cards and how they're trying to get rid of cash... he thinks it's a good thing. He refuses to believe that this has anything to do with the fact that if all cash is turned to plastic, it's going to be much easier for them to trace everything we do and know where EVERY PENNY we spend is gone to. He thinks that's fine... even when I asked him where people will get stuff that may not necessarily be above board... he said barter will probably come back in :rolleyes: . How can people really not see what's going on? It used to be too gradual to notice but the technology age is making all this way too feckin blinding obvious... and yet people still shrug it off and laugh and think you're nuts.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
The people who shrug off this stuff probably believe reality TV is actually real. You can't convince people to believe something they have never spent an ounce of time thinking about.
Speaking of EVERY PENNY...I heard on the radio this morning that Canada is considering completely eliminating the penny. I know it's just the penny, but it's a slippery slope.
http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/story.html?id=17c5c8a3-ef91-41b4-bddd-efb0608f4e00&k=59810
No money in my pocket makes me nervous too.
You are not your job.
You are not how much money you have in the bank.
You are not the car you drive.
You are not the contents of your wallet.
You are not your fucking khakis.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
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Another thing people don't think about is, just like with savings accounts, once there is no paper money, all of it will be stored in a computerized account, which means the bank can turn around behind your back and lend out your "cash" without you ever knowing ...
... you think that won't happen, but it will.
The banking industry is the ONLY industry that makes such practices legal, and publicly acceptable.
If you put your stuff in storage, would you think it's cool if the storage facility turned around and lent out your shit while you weren't using it?
Think about it.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
So that's not shocking, that's the concept of banks.
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Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
No that is the concept of fractional reserve lending, which is what the banks have grown up to expect as a right.
There was once a day when banks lent out their own capital, not YOURS.
Just a thought.
And if you want to let the bank lend out your money, you should use a "certificate of deposit" or have a conditional checking account that allows you to withdraw conditional on the bank having your funds to give back ... time delayed withdrawal, not an "on demand" account ... otherwise it is just a pyramid scam that only works with the guarantee of the government ... ie ... the government agrees to give the banks whatever they need to cover the difference .
whatever.
in the grand scheme of things it's a "why bother" it's one of a hundred things that is severly fucked up in our world.
The whole thing will come crashing down in the next 50 years ... and by whole thing i mean life as we know it, not just the banking system.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Well, why'd they want your money, and pay you for it, if they weren't using it for anything?
It may be fucked up, but that's how it works. And things will come crashing down, as they are all bound to do at some point. The interesting part is what is built on the ruins.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
or what grows between the bricks.
to dust i guess,
forgotten and absorbed into the earth below,..
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They would take your gold, and give you a "note" (what we now call "cash" -- ie. "this NOTE is legal tender") ...
... they would also CHARGE YOU A FEE.
Then they got "smart" and decided that they would actually just lend out your gold while you weren't in need of it ... that way they didn't have to charge you, and you were more likely to deposit with them instead of a competitor that WAS charging you ... in fact, this 1-to-1 deal actually wasn't so bad ... it didn't inherently inflate the money supply ... all YOU had was a note to redeem your gold, and someone else had your gold ... at the end of the day, the BANKER was responsible to cover that ... if your note ended up back at the bank, "your" gold was coming back to you some how ... and the amount of gold in the system was made whole ...
however, finally bankers decided that wasn't enough ... just making interest on your gold just wasn't going to cut it ... oh no ... not by a long shot ...
actually, they would take your gold, and give you a note ... and then they would WRITE TEN NOTES WITH INTEREST and give them to other people ... feeling fairly confident that the gold you had given them would be enough ... yeah, only 1 of those 11 people (the ten, plus you) would ever need that gold at once, right?
RIGHT?
Uh ... W-R-O-N-G
:(
If I opened it now would you not understand?
The system of today is based on something as well, just nothing as tangible as gold, more like the credibility and value of the individual countries.
Is that the best system possible? Probably not. Does it in many ways work, albeit in ups and downs? Mostly, yes. And I'm the socialist here. I'm always open for suggestions for improvements, although I tend to be sceptical of "good old days" solutions, as I am sceptical of theories relying on the doings of "evil greedy men" as the reason of all ills.
I am a socialist with anarchistic tendencies, and this system would probably not be first on my list, if I were to choose. However, I also try to be pragmatic about it. Wouldn't a sudden return to gold have severe consequences worldwide for instance? And is it so important to base it on gold, when money can be based on pretty much anything we choose to?
I'm not an economist, so I cant really answer that. Anyone around in this thread?
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
To most people who are ignorant of the true workings of the financial system, the corruption and extreme special interest serving nature of the Federal Reserve cartel IS shocking. And relatively speaking, it IS still new ... not yet 100 years old even.
Also, you are correct, it IS the theory of modern banking, but before 1913 the BANKS were responsible if they over lent so greedily that they caused their own insolvency ... THEY WENT BANKRUPT!
Today, if you are a JP Morgan Chase or a Citibank, THE GOVERNMENT WILL BAIL YOU OUT.
Do you not comprehend that for the government to step in and gaurantee a private corporation with either YOUR TAX DOLLARS DIRECTLY or by allowing the Fed to print more money to cover them indirectly INFLATING YOUR CURRENCY is a GROSS INJUSTICE TO THE ENTIRE PUBLIC?
OMFG.
Yes. That is exactly what the "text books" explain.
The truth of that is that the system is "based on" the shady dealings of a corrupt collusion of bankers who drafted up a federal act in their own self interst.
The fundamental "basis" ... your so called "lender of last resort" is THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ... you like that? Fine.
If you are happy with bailing out greedy bankers every time they lend so wildly that they cant cover their own liabilities, even with the billions upon billions that they reap in each year ... even with a Federal Reserve System that is SUPPOSED to have enough money thrown in to it from other more honorable banks inorder to cover such a disgrace of a bank anyhow but some how never seems to have enough money in it to do its job ... at the end of the day, when the system itself doesn't do what it says it should, if you enjoy footing the bill for them so they can stay in business, great ... but it is in direct violation of the principles of the free market ... and i think it sucks a fat one!
Why are americans content to let bankers get rich off their own sweat and livelyhood. WHAT OTHER INDUSTRY WOULD YOU SUPPORT AND DEFEND WITH SUCH VEHMENENCE. Why, simply because people don't "really understand" money, do they unwittingly defend these fuckholes? THEY ARE RAPING YOU BLIND!
DOES IT MAKE MORE SENSE WHEN THOMAS JEFFERSON SPELLS IT OUT FOR YOU?
"If the American People ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around (the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." --Thomas Jefferson
SOUND A BIT PROPHETIC?
Do you see the writing on the wall, perhaps?
Doh.
You better wake up Dan.
This isn't some little "theory".
This is REALITY.
Representatives of JP Morgan, at his direction, and as his EXPLICIT GUESTS ON HIS PRIVATE ISLAND, along with representatives of his "nemesis", JD Rockefeller, and their government crony -- the assistant secretary of treasury, and also mastermind Paul Warburg (yes, the original DADDY WARBUCKS, no shit!) a representative of the Rothschild banking clan (hey my grandmother is a rothschild, this isn't conspiracy, it's real, i can tell you, she is RICH) ... and another mega-big banker or two all got togeather in a railroad car owned and accompanied by Senator Aldrich ... who besides being an accomplice and the person who ended up pushing this Federal Reserve bill through congress just before christmas with most senators absent in 1913 ... also just happend to be the FATHER IN LAW of JD ROCKEFELLER ... all got togeather and scheemed up a way to FUCK THE COMMON MAN and the COMMON BANKER ... yes your little local banker got fucked too ... all for the benefit of THE BIG BANKING COCKSUCKER.
ITS NOT SOME STUPID THEORY
ITS HISTORY!
A return to the gold standard would probably have some pretty severe consequences, yes.
But then again, have you seen the US credit\debt bubble recently?
Here is one for housing prices ... another great form of debt.
You don't think there will be HELL TO PAY either way?
Like i have been big fonting throughout this thread, there are only so many times a bank can roll over a loan before it freaks out and runs to "daddy" ... ie ... the government ... alias YOU AND ME ...
so what do you prefer?
Set things right with honest money and let those who are primarily responsible shoulder the primary brunt of this?
Or do you want to wait until they all fuck themselves in the face and come to RAPE YOU AND ME DIRECTLY instead !?!
Your choice.
Clearly.
But i still love you.
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If I opened it now would you not understand?
i convert my money to gold which MAKES money for the most part. i also don't take out loans. i pay cash for everything. if i don't have the cash; i don't buy it. i look back at school mates who made close to what i made in my early 20's. they still have to work and most are struggling. they had to drive bmw's and drink $5.00 cups of coffee. they had to have big expensive houses and a big boat and things like that. these people easily paid over a million dollars in interest alone. they are slaves to the banks because of the lifestyle they chose. anyone can be successful if they live within their means.
well i don't convert my money to gold cause quite frankly i don't have sufficient disposable cash to do that. but i do pay cash for everything and ive never taken out a loan in my life. if i don't have the money then it doesn't get bought. the onlty reason i opened a bank account in the first place was cause i was told if i didn't then i wouldn't get paid.i guess i could have pursued that issue but i was a naive 16 year old at the time. i also have no intention of ever having a mortgage.
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First of all, whereas you specifically refer to the US, I dont. Banks work like that all over. Sure you americans have the private federal reserve thing going on, but europe dont. So alot of your objections and points there misses the mark. I was talking generally, not specifically the US.
Furthermore, are you suggesting that JP Morgan Rothschild etc are behind all the world's ills because of their greed? That seems to be what you are defending there. That the elite talk together and cooperate, sure. A grand conspiracy to rob us all blind? Not necessarily, although they will certainly be protecting their interests. Again I was talking generally, whereas you assume US.
And I dont see any reason for all the caps and OMFGs in there at all.
Point is that I'm not quite as alarmist on these issues, nor do I buy into any of the grand conspiracy theories. It is a system. It works in it's own way. Far from ideal, granted, but there it is. Neither do I see why any formal change in the system will change the structural underpinnings. (the rich will still be rich and will still manipulate markets and so on securing their position regardless)
But my objection initially was merely that you made a statement about banking that simply isn't true. At least not the last 100 years, which for societies and structures is a very long time indeed. Furthermore, I have been hinting at me not buying into the grand conspiracy theories which at their heart rely on evil greedy men set for world domination for their own greed. I do not object to there being many problems, nor that the elite cares for the elite. I object to the spin you put on it, and quite frankly dont find it necessary in able to explain the world and how it works currently.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
If you don't find it necessary to understand that the very fundamentals of the US (and yes, the world, since some of the largest multinational corporotations backed by that system are in fact US corporations) banking system (and by the way, europe has a central bank too) were set up by a group of rich bankers in a very real (and documented as a "conspiracy" by members of the group themselves) eagerness to defraud the american people for their own objectives, then i can't help you.
:(
The fact is, the Federal Reserve system works directly in contrast with the best interests of EVERY american, and it has benn driving the WORLD closer and closer to economic peril by the day,month,year,decade ...
again, it's not a "conspiracy theory" ... it really was a conspiracy ... it actually happened ... but feel free to brush it off as just a "modern economic system that had it's underpinnnings in bank industry cooperation" ... :(
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I'm not brushing it off, I'm not just as doomsday and conspiracy theorist about it. People with money have power, that's the problem. A capitalist world where money talks and decides is a problem. No gold standard will help that. The problem is more fundamental and complex than the federal reserve or what have you. Thus I just add it to the "not exactly ideal" list, which just about includes everything about us humans and our society/societies.
Consider me aware of the problem, and let's leave it at that.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
After threatening the dog with death if he barked I snuck back to bed and back to sleep and forgot all about them.
When I got up this afternoon what do I spy on the floor slipped under my door? A small pamphlet. :rolleyes:
I mention it at all because I find it ironic that we were only just having that discussion on the Mormon thread about the little old ladies from the Jehovah's peddling at my door.
The reason I mention it here is that the pamphlet is entitled, "Who really rules the world?"
So now I'd like to know two things.
1) Is the original poster a Jehovah's Witness with an agenda?
2) Does anybody think it's likely that the little old ladies from the Jehovah's Witnesses here in Australia are members of the pit?
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