She just quickly disappeared. I think she made from the 3rd row to the parking lot in less than five minutes.
I don't think it's funny. You never know how someone is thinking or feeling.
I hate when people laugh at someone else getting hurt.
I don't care what she did.[/quote]
Again, if you're going to expose yourself to 20,000 people, you've pretty much checked shame at the door already.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
She just quickly disappeared. I think she made from the 3rd row to the parking lot in less than five minutes.
I don't think it's funny. You never know how someone is thinking or feeling.
I hate when people laugh at someone else getting hurt.
I don't care what she did.
Again, if you're going to expose yourself to 20,000 people, you've pretty much checked shame at the door already.[/quote]
I understand. I just have this vast amount of empathy in me. I think it's in the genes.
I hate this story. Always have.
"Cynics are simply disappointed idealists" - George Carlin
Everybody winds up kissing the wrong person goodnight. - Andy Warhol
I've heard this bootleg before and it's important to note -as others have pointed out- that there were several times throughout this show where Eddie warned her to cut it out.
This type of behaviour may be the norm at hair metal concerts, and was probably condoned back in 1987, But Jesus Christ...This was a Pearl Jam concert!!! and anyone with half a brain should realize that this shit was not going to fly. I think the fact that this waterhead continued to flash her chest in spite of Eddie's warnings is what obviously set him off and provoked him to come down on her as strong as he did.
I can't imagine how annoying this must have been to not only the band but the people around her. I think she got what she deserved. As harsh as the comments may have come across, they served their purpose in getting this boozed up whore to stop embarassing herself, the band, and the audience.
Thankfully she'll never pull this kind of twisted bat shit at another Pearl Jam concert...Unfortunately, I wouldn't put it past her to pull up her top and flash her bites off to Chad Kroger, Scott Stapp, or Jon Bon Jovi. I bet those leather pant wearing scumbags would probably get off on that type of thing; thankfully Eddie is cut from a different mold and has no problem putting drunken vermin like this in their place.
Her parents must be so proud.
Good post, pretty much agree with you, especially regarding those leather pant wearing scumbags.
The only thing I disagree with is, IF, and I said IF he chose the words 'mosquito bites' in reference to this girls small chest size. That would be harsh, not her fault.
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Good post, pretty much agree with you, especially regarding those leather pant wearing scumbags.
The only thing I disagree with is, IF, and I said IF he chose the words 'mosquito bites' in reference to this girls small chest size. That would be harsh, not her fault.
What else do you think he meant? It might not be her fault if she has small breasts, but it was her choice to get them out.
Good post, pretty much agree with you, especially regarding those leather pant wearing scumbags.
The only thing I disagree with is, IF, and I said IF he chose the words 'mosquito bites' in reference to this girls small chest size. That would be harsh, not her fault.
I believe that the reference to mosquito bites was aimed directly at this particular person and not towards a generalized population of women.
It was more a tactical way of shooting down this particular persons ego -or whatever else it may have been- that was causing her to pull up her top.
Hopefully this story will keep other young females in check. Maybe not every male is enticed by someone who is so eager to give it up...I can't believe I said that...I don't normally give men that much credit... :? :oops:
hey, hey,hey!! not all of us are pigs ya know!!!....................some of us are dogs!! :P
you know, i really wish i had never heard this story...
yes, what she was doing was obnoxious and misguided, but i mostly just feel sad for her. women are so objectified by this culture that they start doing it to THEMSELVES... i always feel bad for women who feel like their only way to get attention or power is to use sex. so i don't think it was her ego, really... i think it's the exact opposite. she got called out for doing something that, in many other contexts, would have been rewarded and provided her with a screwed up sense of validation...
as for ed's comment... maybe it's funny in theory, but seeing it made me cringe... i've done my fair share of trash-talking after a few drinks, but there is a big difference between putting someone in check at a bar and calling someone out from the stage with thousands of people cheering you on. yeah, she was repeatedly ignoring gentler suggestions to put her clothes back on, but the end result of ed's rant was just to further squash someone who already clearly lacks a sense of self and power.
you know, i really wish i had never heard this story...
yes, what she was doing was obnoxious and misguided, but i mostly just feel sad for her. women are so objectified by this culture that they start doing it to THEMSELVES... i always feel bad for women who feel like their only way to get attention or power is to use sex. so i don't think it was her ego, really... i think it's the exact opposite. she got called out for doing something that, in many other contexts, would have been rewarded and provided her with a screwed up sense of validation...
as for ed's comment... maybe it's funny in theory, but seeing it made me cringe... i've done my fair share of trash-talking after a few drinks, but there is a big difference between putting someone in check at a bar and calling someone out from the stage with thousands of people cheering you on. yeah, she was repeatedly ignoring gentler suggestions to put her clothes back on, but the end result of ed's rant was just to further squash someone who already clearly lacks a sense of self and power.
oh jezzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!! talk about over analyzing the situation...now you got your Freud cap on!! maybe she was just a dumb whore....or maybe she was a Phd who like to show her tits...maybe she was drunk...maybe she has daddy issues...maybe, maybe ....i could go on and on and on! simple fact is...she pissed Ed off and her actions caused his reaction...next time Ed should just say..."will the lady in the 3rd row please put her floppies away..you're distracting Stone, he has already missed 4 chords in the last song and he can't hold his guitar right when he's "excited"!!"
I think way too many people put Eddie on a pedestal. He's only human and says shit just like the rest of us. Fact is, the girl was annoying him, and he had enough after telling her to stop repeatedly, and she just didn't get it all the times before. It was harsh, but he was clearly done. We've all been there.
next time Ed should just say..."will the lady in the 3rd row please put her floppies away..you're distracting Stone, he has already missed 4 chords in the last song and he can't hold his guitar right when he's "excited"!!"
I've been watching this thread for the last day or so, and I have to say that it's been a blast. A few observations / opinions:
1) Let me get this straight: A girl exposes her breasts at a rock n' roll concert, and she's somehow used as an example of everything that is wrong with society? What's next? Will people start smoking marijuana and getting drunk at Pearl Jam shows? How 70's and 80's of them! How dare these exhibitonists, dope smokers, and drunks pollute our precious little "alternative" scene. Don't they know that only the guy singing on stage is allowed to enjoy himself in that manner?! JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE!!!!! I am going to go out on a limb here, and show everyone what a sexist pig I am. If a girl feels the need to show her breasts at a concert, I for one will not be ashamed of looking in her general vicinity. While I agree that encouraging a girl to do something like this, or groping women in "the pit" is disgusting, showing boobs / looking at boobs is NOT a big deal. Get over yourselves.
2) Ed's comment was fucked. Yeah, he hinted that the girls was annoying him. Point taken. Yet, admonishing someone about such a silly thing in front of 20,000 people is wrong. It's not like the days when Ed would stop a show in order to get the crowd under control, or keep security in line. Those were examples of protecting his audience. The girl wanted Ed's attention, and guess what.....Ed gave her attention. No matter how "distracting" this girl was being, following up her little antics with a sexist statement doesn't exactly make Ed look like a saint. Last time I checked, Ed was a human being, not some holier than though diety. Some of our community will take whatever Ed says as gospel, which is the same kind of idol worship the band rallied against for most of their career. Let's suppose that the girl in question wasn't flat chested. Let's say she weighed 400 pounds. If Ed called her a "fat bitch", I am CERTAIN that a few of the sheep around these parts would find a way to justify THAT as well. Am I wrong about this?
At the end of the day, Pearl Jam will always be my favorite band. What has gotten under my skin recently is that there are a few of my fellow fans who are just delusional about what this band and it's fans represent. Our PJ community is not some utopian bubble, as so many people here seem to believe. I've been to a ton of PJ shows, and I've seen how much of a "Jamily" we really are. I have bought dinner and drinks (plus provided a puff or two) to a couple of Ten Clubbers, and when I later asked for a lift to our hotel room (less than a mile from the venue) I was told that it wasn't convenient. I have been admonished by fellow Ten-Clubbers for having a toke, while they let their ten year old son drink beer after beer in the venue. OUR COMMUNITY IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER FAN BASE. There are some really kick-ass fans, and a number of seriously selfish people as well.
I don't put my values on other fans. If I disagree with something I see, I keep my mouth shut and follow the line into the show. Somehow, there is a small group of fans who think it is their right to put THEIR values on the shoulders of another ticker buyer. Or worse, they put what they ASSUME is the band's values on another ticket buyer. Please people, get a serious grip on your egos. It's a concert, and you are very likely going to encounter people in the crowd who don't see things your way. Can't handle that? Then pehaps you need to find a band whose audience is all in agreement about everything. You know, like one of those neo-nazi skinhead bands. ALL of their fans see things the same way..........
I've been watching this thread for the last day or so, and I have to say that it's been a blast. A few observations / opinions:
1) Let me get this straight: A girl exposes her breasts at a rock n' roll concert, and she's somehow used as an example of everything that is wrong with society? What's next? Will people start smoking marijuana and getting drunk at Pearl Jam shows? How 70's and 80's of them! How dare these exhibitonists, dope smokers, and drunks pollute our precious little "alternative" scene. Don't they know that only the guy singing on stage is allowed to enjoy himself in that manner?! JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE!!!!! I am going to go out on a limb here, and show everyone what a sexist pig I am. If a girl feels the need to show her breasts at a concert, I for one will not be ashamed of looking in her general vicinity. While I agree that encouraging a girl to do something like this, or groping women in "the pit" is disgusting, showing boobs / looking at boobs is NOT a big deal. Get over yourselves.
2) Ed's comment was fucked. Yeah, he hinted that the girls was annoying him. Point taken. Yet, admonishing someone about such a silly thing in front of 20,000 people is wrong. It's not like the days when Ed would stop a show in order to get the crowd under control, or keep security in line. Those were examples of protecting his audience. The girl wanted Ed's attention, and guess what.....Ed gave her attention. No matter how "distracting" this girl was being, following up her little antics with a sexist statement doesn't exactly make Ed look like a saint. Last time I checked, Ed was a human being, not some holier than though diety. Some of our community will take whatever Ed says as gospel, which is the same kind of idol worship the band rallied against for most of their career. Let's suppose that the girl in question wasn't flat chested. Let's say she weighed 400 pounds. If Ed called her a "fat bitch", I am CERTAIN that a few of the sheep around these parts would find a way to justify THAT as well. Am I wrong about this?
At the end of the day, Pearl Jam will always be my favorite band. What has gotten under my skin recently is that there are a few of my fellow fans who are just delusional about what this band and it's fans represent. Our PJ community is not some utopian bubble, as so many people here seem to believe. I've been to a ton of PJ shows, and I've seen how much of a "Jamily" we really are. I have bought dinner and drinks (plus provided a puff or two) to a couple of Ten Clubbers, and when I later asked for a lift to our hotel room (less than a mile from the venue) I was told that it wasn't convenient. I have been admonished by fellow Ten-Clubbers for having a toke, while they let their ten year old son drink beer after beer in the venue. OUR COMMUNITY IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER FAN BASE. There are some really kick-ass fans, and a number of seriously selfish people as well.
I don't put my values on other fans. If I disagree with something I see, I keep my mouth shut and follow the line into the show. Somehow, there is a small group of fans who think it is their right to put THEIR values on the shoulders of another ticker buyer. Or worse, they put what they ASSUME is the band's values on another ticket buyer. Please people, get a serious grip on your egos. It's a concert, and you are very likely going to encounter people in the crowd who don't see things your way. Can't handle that? Then pehaps you need to find a band whose audience is all in agreement about everything. You know, like one of those neo-nazi skinhead bands. ALL of their fans see things the same way..........
You don't have any idea what Pearl Jam is about, do you? I'm just sayin'. Anybody who knows anything about this band should not be surprised AT ALL that this girl got the reaction that she did.
And did you say Ed's comment was sexist? If anything, Ed's comments were feminist. He was telling the girl she should have more self-respect than that.
Also, why are we getting irate over something that happened six years ago? Why don't we start an eight-page thread about how we can't believe they kicked Dave A out of the band? Now THERE'S a guy who would have loved some flashing titties!
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everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
I've been watching this thread for the last day or so, and I have to say that it's been a blast. A few observations / opinions:
1) Let me get this straight: A girl exposes her breasts at a rock n' roll concert, and she's somehow used as an example of everything that is wrong with society? What's next? Will people start smoking marijuana and getting drunk at Pearl Jam shows? How 70's and 80's of them! How dare these exhibitonists, dope smokers, and drunks pollute our precious little "alternative" scene. Don't they know that only the guy singing on stage is allowed to enjoy himself in that manner?! JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE!!!!! I am going to go out on a limb here, and show everyone what a sexist pig I am. If a girl feels the need to show her breasts at a concert, I for one will not be ashamed of looking in her general vicinity. While I agree that encouraging a girl to do something like this, or groping women in "the pit" is disgusting, showing boobs / looking at boobs is NOT a big deal. Get over yourselves.
2) Ed's comment was fucked. Yeah, he hinted that the girls was annoying him. Point taken. Yet, admonishing someone about such a silly thing in front of 20,000 people is wrong. It's not like the days when Ed would stop a show in order to get the crowd under control, or keep security in line. Those were examples of protecting his audience. The girl wanted Ed's attention, and guess what.....Ed gave her attention. No matter how "distracting" this girl was being, following up her little antics with a sexist statement doesn't exactly make Ed look like a saint. Last time I checked, Ed was a human being, not some holier than though diety. Some of our community will take whatever Ed says as gospel, which is the same kind of idol worship the band rallied against for most of their career. Let's suppose that the girl in question wasn't flat chested. Let's say she weighed 400 pounds. If Ed called her a "fat bitch", I am CERTAIN that a few of the sheep around these parts would find a way to justify THAT as well. Am I wrong about this?
At the end of the day, Pearl Jam will always be my favorite band. What has gotten under my skin recently is that there are a few of my fellow fans who are just delusional about what this band and it's fans represent. Our PJ community is not some utopian bubble, as so many people here seem to believe. I've been to a ton of PJ shows, and I've seen how much of a "Jamily" we really are. I have bought dinner and drinks (plus provided a puff or two) to a couple of Ten Clubbers, and when I later asked for a lift to our hotel room (less than a mile from the venue) I was told that it wasn't convenient. I have been admonished by fellow Ten-Clubbers for having a toke, while they let their ten year old son drink beer after beer in the venue. OUR COMMUNITY IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER FAN BASE. There are some really kick-ass fans, and a number of seriously selfish people as well.
I don't put my values on other fans. If I disagree with something I see, I keep my mouth shut and follow the line into the show. Somehow, there is a small group of fans who think it is their right to put THEIR values on the shoulders of another ticker buyer. Or worse, they put what they ASSUME is the band's values on another ticket buyer. Please people, get a serious grip on your egos. It's a concert, and you are very likely going to encounter people in the crowd who don't see things your way. Can't handle that? Then pehaps you need to find a band whose audience is all in agreement about everything. You know, like one of those neo-nazi skinhead bands. ALL of their fans see things the same way..........
Well said!
A child's rhyme stuck in my head...
It said "Life is nothing but a dream."
I've spent so many years in question
To find I'd known this all along.
I've been watching this thread for the last day or so, and I have to say that it's been a blast. A few observations / opinions:
1) Let me get this straight: A girl exposes her breasts at a rock n' roll concert, and she's somehow used as an example of everything that is wrong with society? What's next? Will people start smoking marijuana and getting drunk at Pearl Jam shows? How 70's and 80's of them! How dare these exhibitonists, dope smokers, and drunks pollute our precious little "alternative" scene. Don't they know that only the guy singing on stage is allowed to enjoy himself in that manner?! JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE!!!!! I am going to go out on a limb here, and show everyone what a sexist pig I am. If a girl feels the need to show her breasts at a concert, I for one will not be ashamed of looking in her general vicinity. While I agree that encouraging a girl to do something like this, or groping women in "the pit" is disgusting, showing boobs / looking at boobs is NOT a big deal. Get over yourselves.
2) Ed's comment was fucked. Yeah, he hinted that the girls was annoying him. Point taken. Yet, admonishing someone about such a silly thing in front of 20,000 people is wrong. It's not like the days when Ed would stop a show in order to get the crowd under control, or keep security in line. Those were examples of protecting his audience. The girl wanted Ed's attention, and guess what.....Ed gave her attention. No matter how "distracting" this girl was being, following up her little antics with a sexist statement doesn't exactly make Ed look like a saint. Last time I checked, Ed was a human being, not some holier than though diety. Some of our community will take whatever Ed says as gospel, which is the same kind of idol worship the band rallied against for most of their career. Let's suppose that the girl in question wasn't flat chested. Let's say she weighed 400 pounds. If Ed called her a "fat bitch", I am CERTAIN that a few of the sheep around these parts would find a way to justify THAT as well. Am I wrong about this?
At the end of the day, Pearl Jam will always be my favorite band. What has gotten under my skin recently is that there are a few of my fellow fans who are just delusional about what this band and it's fans represent. Our PJ community is not some utopian bubble, as so many people here seem to believe. I've been to a ton of PJ shows, and I've seen how much of a "Jamily" we really are. I have bought dinner and drinks (plus provided a puff or two) to a couple of Ten Clubbers, and when I later asked for a lift to our hotel room (less than a mile from the venue) I was told that it wasn't convenient. I have been admonished by fellow Ten-Clubbers for having a toke, while they let their ten year old son drink beer after beer in the venue. OUR COMMUNITY IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER FAN BASE. There are some really kick-ass fans, and a number of seriously selfish people as well.
I don't put my values on other fans. If I disagree with something I see, I keep my mouth shut and follow the line into the show. Somehow, there is a small group of fans who think it is their right to put THEIR values on the shoulders of another ticker buyer. Or worse, they put what they ASSUME is the band's values on another ticket buyer. Please people, get a serious grip on your egos. It's a concert, and you are very likely going to encounter people in the crowd who don't see things your way. Can't handle that? Then pehaps you need to find a band whose audience is all in agreement about everything. You know, like one of those neo-nazi skinhead bands. ALL of their fans see things the same way..........
Well said!
Not really.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Also, why are we getting irate over something that happened six years ago? Why don't we start an eight-page thread about how we can't believe they kicked Dave A out of the band? Now THERE'S a guy who would have loved some flashing titties![/quote]
1) Let me get this straight: A girl exposes her breasts at a rock n' roll concert, and she's somehow used as an example of everything that is wrong with society? What's next? Will people start smoking marijuana and getting drunk at Pearl Jam shows? How 70's and 80's of them! How dare these exhibitonists, dope smokers, and drunks pollute our precious little "alternative" scene. Don't they know that only the guy singing on stage is allowed to enjoy himself in that manner?! JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE!!!!! I am going to go out on a limb here, and show everyone what a sexist pig I am. If a girl feels the need to show her breasts at a concert, I for one will not be ashamed of looking in her general vicinity. While I agree that encouraging a girl to do something like this, or groping women in "the pit" is disgusting, showing boobs / looking at boobs is NOT a big deal. Get over yourselves.
Honestly, I'm shocked that it took 8 pages of posts and over a year and a half for someone in this thread to point out that a girl showing her tits at a rock concert is a fairly common thing and not that big a deal. We all know Ed has his principles. He had a valid point and a good message here, but the way he went about it is wrong. He could have ignored it or played it off in a better way (I like Crazy Breed's example). Whether he was frustrated or she deserved it or whatever, he was still wrong for what he did. Ed was WRONG!! Yea, I didn't think it was possible either :roll: , but it's the truth on this one.
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I've been watching this thread for the last day or so, and I have to say that it's been a blast. A few observations / opinions:
1) Let me get this straight: A girl exposes her breasts at a rock n' roll concert, and she's somehow used as an example of everything that is wrong with society? What's next? Will people start smoking marijuana and getting drunk at Pearl Jam shows? How 70's and 80's of them! How dare these exhibitonists, dope smokers, and drunks pollute our precious little "alternative" scene. Don't they know that only the guy singing on stage is allowed to enjoy himself in that manner?! JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE!!!!! I am going to go out on a limb here, and show everyone what a sexist pig I am. If a girl feels the need to show her breasts at a concert, I for one will not be ashamed of looking in her general vicinity. While I agree that encouraging a girl to do something like this, or groping women in "the pit" is disgusting, showing boobs / looking at boobs is NOT a big deal. Get over yourselves.
2) Ed's comment was fucked. Yeah, he hinted that the girls was annoying him. Point taken. Yet, admonishing someone about such a silly thing in front of 20,000 people is wrong. It's not like the days when Ed would stop a show in order to get the crowd under control, or keep security in line. Those were examples of protecting his audience. The girl wanted Ed's attention, and guess what.....Ed gave her attention. No matter how "distracting" this girl was being, following up her little antics with a sexist statement doesn't exactly make Ed look like a saint. Last time I checked, Ed was a human being, not some holier than though diety. Some of our community will take whatever Ed says as gospel, which is the same kind of idol worship the band rallied against for most of their career. Let's suppose that the girl in question wasn't flat chested. Let's say she weighed 400 pounds. If Ed called her a "fat bitch", I am CERTAIN that a few of the sheep around these parts would find a way to justify THAT as well. Am I wrong about this?
At the end of the day, Pearl Jam will always be my favorite band. What has gotten under my skin recently is that there are a few of my fellow fans who are just delusional about what this band and it's fans represent. Our PJ community is not some utopian bubble, as so many people here seem to believe. I've been to a ton of PJ shows, and I've seen how much of a "Jamily" we really are. I have bought dinner and drinks (plus provided a puff or two) to a couple of Ten Clubbers, and when I later asked for a lift to our hotel room (less than a mile from the venue) I was told that it wasn't convenient. I have been admonished by fellow Ten-Clubbers for having a toke, while they let their ten year old son drink beer after beer in the venue. OUR COMMUNITY IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER FAN BASE. There are some really kick-ass fans, and a number of seriously selfish people as well.
I don't put my values on other fans. If I disagree with something I see, I keep my mouth shut and follow the line into the show. Somehow, there is a small group of fans who think it is their right to put THEIR values on the shoulders of another ticker buyer. Or worse, they put what they ASSUME is the band's values on another ticket buyer. Please people, get a serious grip on your egos. It's a concert, and you are very likely going to encounter people in the crowd who don't see things your way. Can't handle that? Then pehaps you need to find a band whose audience is all in agreement about everything. You know, like one of those neo-nazi skinhead bands. ALL of their fans see things the same way..........
You speak a lot of truth. I just don't see all this as a high point, a great situation or Ed's
greatest public address ever. I also don't think that it the greatest representation of what PJ
is about. IMO it goes too far as have my words have at times in the past.
I'm going to wear a trench-coat to the next show and go streaking up and down the aisles.
Anyone with me?
"Pearl Jam fans gone wild."
We'll start a nudist colony.
(I couldn't help myself)
"Cynics are simply disappointed idealists" - George Carlin
Everybody winds up kissing the wrong person goodnight. - Andy Warhol
You don't have any idea what Pearl Jam is about, do you? I'm just sayin'. Anybody who knows anything about this band should not be surprised AT ALL that this girl got the reaction that she did.
And did you say Ed's comment was sexist? If anything, Ed's comments were feminist. He was telling the girl she should have more self-respect than that.
Also, why are we getting irate over something that happened six years ago? Why don't we start an eight-page thread about how we can't believe they kicked Dave A out of the band? Now THERE'S a guy who would have loved some flashing titties!
Hmmm....... In fact, I'm sure I have a pretty good handle on what PJ is about. Seing how I've been a fan since "Ten" was released, I'm pretty positive I haven't missed much.
Would I have been surprised if Ed told the girl that "flashing boobs" wasn't what the band wanted, and that she should have more respect for herself? No, that wouldn't surprise me. What DID surprise me was that Ed decided to take the low road, and use the girls small chest as a way to get his point across. Ed is a pretty articulate man, so yeah....this wasn't his finest moment.
While I do belive that Ed is a feminist at heart, I also believe that he made a stupid, sexist remark in the heat of the moment. You could try and convince me all day long that referring to a woman's breasts as "mosquito bites" is a feminist move, but I'm not buying. I seem to recall that being a pretty popular insult around 5th grade, and none of those kids were feminist advocates.
And what in the HELL does Dave A. have to do with this conversation. OH!!! WAIT!!!!! Ed doesn't like him. Now it makes sense......... :roll:
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I don't think it's funny. You never know how someone is thinking or feeling.
I hate when people laugh at someone else getting hurt.
I don't care what she did.[/quote]
Again, if you're going to expose yourself to 20,000 people, you've pretty much checked shame at the door already.
for the least they could possibly do
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Seattle Key Arena 9-22-2009
Again, if you're going to expose yourself to 20,000 people, you've pretty much checked shame at the door already.[/quote]
I understand. I just have this vast amount of empathy in me. I think it's in the genes.
I hate this story. Always have.
Everybody winds up kissing the wrong person goodnight. - Andy Warhol
that's why you're the masked crusader...and we are just simple folk.
I don't think any Pearl Jam fans are "simple"
Everybody winds up kissing the wrong person goodnight. - Andy Warhol
Good post, pretty much agree with you, especially regarding those leather pant wearing scumbags.
The only thing I disagree with is, IF, and I said IF he chose the words 'mosquito bites' in reference to this girls small chest size. That would be harsh, not her fault.
I believe that the reference to mosquito bites was aimed directly at this particular person and not towards a generalized population of women.
It was more a tactical way of shooting down this particular persons ego -or whatever else it may have been- that was causing her to pull up her top.
He'll be 80 and still hear this story.
It keeps getting regurgitated.
Everybody winds up kissing the wrong person goodnight. - Andy Warhol
hey, hey,hey!! not all of us are pigs ya know!!!....................some of us are dogs!! :P
yes, what she was doing was obnoxious and misguided, but i mostly just feel sad for her. women are so objectified by this culture that they start doing it to THEMSELVES... i always feel bad for women who feel like their only way to get attention or power is to use sex. so i don't think it was her ego, really... i think it's the exact opposite. she got called out for doing something that, in many other contexts, would have been rewarded and provided her with a screwed up sense of validation...
as for ed's comment... maybe it's funny in theory, but seeing it made me cringe... i've done my fair share of trash-talking after a few drinks, but there is a big difference between putting someone in check at a bar and calling someone out from the stage with thousands of people cheering you on. yeah, she was repeatedly ignoring gentler suggestions to put her clothes back on, but the end result of ed's rant was just to further squash someone who already clearly lacks a sense of self and power.
oh jezzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!! talk about over analyzing the situation...now you got your Freud cap on!! maybe she was just a dumb whore....or maybe she was a Phd who like to show her tits...maybe she was drunk...maybe she has daddy issues...maybe, maybe ....i could go on and on and on! simple fact is...she pissed Ed off and her actions caused his reaction...next time Ed should just say..."will the lady in the 3rd row please put her floppies away..you're distracting Stone, he has already missed 4 chords in the last song and he can't hold his guitar right when he's "excited"!!"
Ha Ha
Now that was fucking funny!!
Honestly, no I haven't.
I'll ride the wave where it takes me...
1) Let me get this straight: A girl exposes her breasts at a rock n' roll concert, and she's somehow used as an example of everything that is wrong with society? What's next? Will people start smoking marijuana and getting drunk at Pearl Jam shows? How 70's and 80's of them! How dare these exhibitonists, dope smokers, and drunks pollute our precious little "alternative" scene. Don't they know that only the guy singing on stage is allowed to enjoy himself in that manner?! JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE!!!!! I am going to go out on a limb here, and show everyone what a sexist pig I am. If a girl feels the need to show her breasts at a concert, I for one will not be ashamed of looking in her general vicinity. While I agree that encouraging a girl to do something like this, or groping women in "the pit" is disgusting, showing boobs / looking at boobs is NOT a big deal. Get over yourselves.
2) Ed's comment was fucked. Yeah, he hinted that the girls was annoying him. Point taken. Yet, admonishing someone about such a silly thing in front of 20,000 people is wrong. It's not like the days when Ed would stop a show in order to get the crowd under control, or keep security in line. Those were examples of protecting his audience. The girl wanted Ed's attention, and guess what.....Ed gave her attention. No matter how "distracting" this girl was being, following up her little antics with a sexist statement doesn't exactly make Ed look like a saint. Last time I checked, Ed was a human being, not some holier than though diety. Some of our community will take whatever Ed says as gospel, which is the same kind of idol worship the band rallied against for most of their career. Let's suppose that the girl in question wasn't flat chested. Let's say she weighed 400 pounds. If Ed called her a "fat bitch", I am CERTAIN that a few of the sheep around these parts would find a way to justify THAT as well. Am I wrong about this?
At the end of the day, Pearl Jam will always be my favorite band. What has gotten under my skin recently is that there are a few of my fellow fans who are just delusional about what this band and it's fans represent. Our PJ community is not some utopian bubble, as so many people here seem to believe. I've been to a ton of PJ shows, and I've seen how much of a "Jamily" we really are. I have bought dinner and drinks (plus provided a puff or two) to a couple of Ten Clubbers, and when I later asked for a lift to our hotel room (less than a mile from the venue) I was told that it wasn't convenient. I have been admonished by fellow Ten-Clubbers for having a toke, while they let their ten year old son drink beer after beer in the venue. OUR COMMUNITY IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER FAN BASE. There are some really kick-ass fans, and a number of seriously selfish people as well.
I don't put my values on other fans. If I disagree with something I see, I keep my mouth shut and follow the line into the show. Somehow, there is a small group of fans who think it is their right to put THEIR values on the shoulders of another ticker buyer. Or worse, they put what they ASSUME is the band's values on another ticket buyer. Please people, get a serious grip on your egos. It's a concert, and you are very likely going to encounter people in the crowd who don't see things your way. Can't handle that? Then pehaps you need to find a band whose audience is all in agreement about everything. You know, like one of those neo-nazi skinhead bands. ALL of their fans see things the same way..........
You don't have any idea what Pearl Jam is about, do you? I'm just sayin'. Anybody who knows anything about this band should not be surprised AT ALL that this girl got the reaction that she did.
And did you say Ed's comment was sexist? If anything, Ed's comments were feminist. He was telling the girl she should have more self-respect than that.
Also, why are we getting irate over something that happened six years ago? Why don't we start an eight-page thread about how we can't believe they kicked Dave A out of the band? Now THERE'S a guy who would have loved some flashing titties!
for the least they could possibly do
Well said!
It said "Life is nothing but a dream."
I've spent so many years in question
To find I'd known this all along.
Not really.
for the least they could possibly do
Honestly, I'm shocked that it took 8 pages of posts and over a year and a half for someone in this thread to point out that a girl showing her tits at a rock concert is a fairly common thing and not that big a deal. We all know Ed has his principles. He had a valid point and a good message here, but the way he went about it is wrong. He could have ignored it or played it off in a better way (I like Crazy Breed's example). Whether he was frustrated or she deserved it or whatever, he was still wrong for what he did. Ed was WRONG!! Yea, I didn't think it was possible either :roll: , but it's the truth on this one.
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You speak a lot of truth. I just don't see all this as a high point, a great situation or Ed's
greatest public address ever. I also don't think that it the greatest representation of what PJ
is about. IMO it goes too far as have my words have at times in the past.
In my perspective, both Eddie and the flashing girl are justified in their behaviors.
So you should stop telling people how they should be!
It said "Life is nothing but a dream."
I've spent so many years in question
To find I'd known this all along.
if i had my freud cap on i would have probably gone into why ed likes to poo on people...
Anyone with me?
"Pearl Jam fans gone wild."
We'll start a nudist colony.
(I couldn't help myself)
Everybody winds up kissing the wrong person goodnight. - Andy Warhol
It said "Life is nothing but a dream."
I've spent so many years in question
To find I'd known this all along.
Hmmm....... In fact, I'm sure I have a pretty good handle on what PJ is about. Seing how I've been a fan since "Ten" was released, I'm pretty positive I haven't missed much.
Would I have been surprised if Ed told the girl that "flashing boobs" wasn't what the band wanted, and that she should have more respect for herself? No, that wouldn't surprise me. What DID surprise me was that Ed decided to take the low road, and use the girls small chest as a way to get his point across. Ed is a pretty articulate man, so yeah....this wasn't his finest moment.
While I do belive that Ed is a feminist at heart, I also believe that he made a stupid, sexist remark in the heat of the moment. You could try and convince me all day long that referring to a woman's breasts as "mosquito bites" is a feminist move, but I'm not buying. I seem to recall that being a pretty popular insult around 5th grade, and none of those kids were feminist advocates.
And what in the HELL does Dave A. have to do with this conversation. OH!!! WAIT!!!!! Ed doesn't like him. Now it makes sense......... :roll: