Jim Crow alive and well in Saudi Arabia

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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I have a hard time accepting this. although i'm sure there is much truth to big business and government blocking it.

    if the technology is there, that means someone stands to make a shitload of money. after all, our cars, homes, business, etc all need some sort of resource to get them running. whether it be alternative or not. someone is going to profit highly from alternative fuel source the same way the government, corporations, and the saudi kingdom do with oil.

    They want to make all they can from what they can right now. They know they'll have plenty of time to profit from alternatives when the oil's gone.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    jlew24asu wrote:
    for the record hands, I do not believe you hate america.
    thanks jlew, and for the record your not a 3rd grader with nationalistic beer goggles. that ncfan guy however... :) (relax Nc, its a joke)
    but they lurk around here.
    i havent seen them. their passion for the truth is not a testimony to their hatred, it is a testimony of their passion for a government that better represents their ideals and just causes... thats how i see it anyway.

    we say we are the best country in the world, so lets live up to it.

    selling ourselves to a 3rd rate monarchy for some crude is pathetic if you ask me. but again, thats just me
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    and we did


    just ask Bush's grandfather...
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I have a hard time accepting this. although i'm sure there is much truth to big business and government blocking it.

    if the technology is there, that means someone stands to make a shitload of money. after all, our cars, homes, business, etc all need some sort of resource to get them running. whether it be alternative or not. someone is going to profit highly from alternative fuel source the same way the government, corporations, and the saudi kingdom do with oil.

    Using Brazil as an example, if the US where to switch over to say a sugarcane based ethanol it wouldn't be the oil companies raking in the profits. If you follow the money the people with the most to gain from keeping fossil fuels as are main source of fuel would be the petro companies. Along that same logic the people with the most to loose if we where to switch to an alternative fuel would also be the petro companies. Now I can hardly blame oil companies for wanting to keep their product as the only source of fuel. I can however blame the government for laying in bed with these companies to make sure that their product remains our sole source of fuel.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    mammasan wrote:
    Using Brazil as an example, if the US where to switch over to say a sugarcane based ethanol it wouldn't be the oil companies raking in the profits. If you follow the money the people with the most to gain from keeping fossil fuels as are main source of fuel would be the petro companies. Along that same logic the people with the most to loose if we where to switch to an alternative fuel would also be the petro companies. Now I can hardly blame oil companies for wanting to keep their product as the only source of fuel. I can however blame the government for laying in bed with these companies to make sure that their product remains our sole source of fuel.
    I guess I'm hoping capitalism takes over and the best most efficent product wins. clearly not the case.

    thats IF the technology and recourses are available to be disturbed worldwide and quickly. I'm not so sure that its ready.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    For those of you who may not have read it, Robert Baer wrote a great book about this called Sleeping with the Devil. He does a good job detailing the history of the US/Saudi relationship and the effects it has on the world today. He also describes how this relationship weighs heavily on US foreign policy. It was a great read, but let me warn you it can get you extremely pissed off to see how much the Saudis get away with all because we need their oil.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I guess I'm hoping capitalism takes over and the best most efficent product wins. clearly not the case.

    thats IF the technology and recourses are available to be disturbed worldwide and quickly. I'm not so sure that its ready.


    I don't think it's ready here in the states simply because we haven't but the effort into making the change. If Brazil can do it we sure as hell can and should have done it first.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    mammasan wrote:
    Using Brazil as an example, if the US where to switch over to say a sugarcane based ethanol it wouldn't be the oil companies raking in the profits. If you follow the money the people with the most to gain from keeping fossil fuels as are main source of fuel would be the petro companies. Along that same logic the people with the most to loose if we where to switch to an alternative fuel would also be the petro companies. Now I can hardly blame oil companies for wanting to keep their product as the only source of fuel. I can however blame the government for laying in bed with these companies to make sure that their product remains our sole source of fuel.

    I can blame both. These companies know what it takes to keep this shit pumping and they lobby to make sure it keeps flowing. It's sick...at some point you would think they could put people's damn lives over their greedy profits but nooo. And of course, the govt is EVEN WORSE! They are elected to protect and serve us, so they are outright liars and disgusting to boot with complete disregard for the people who put them in the positions they hold. this shit has got to end.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I can blame both. These companies know what it takes to keep this shit pumping and they lobby to make sure it keeps flowing. It's sick...at some point you would think they could put people's damn lives over their greedy profits but nooo. And of course, the govt is EVEN WORSE! They are elected to protect and serve us, so they are outright liars and disgusting to boot with complete disregard for the people who put them in the positions they hold. this shit has got to end.

    Well as long as the majority of Americans continue to live their lives with their heads down and not questioning the government it will not end till the last drop of crude is sucked up from that god forsaken place.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    my2hands wrote:
    if a man smacks around your mother, and i surrender my ideals and support him and become ally's with him for my own economic interest what does that make me.

    a piece of shit.


    same thing, just on a different level because they are smacking around hundreds of thousands of mothers

    i ask again
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    jlew24asu wrote:
    thats IF the technology and recourses are available to be disturbed worldwide and quickly. I'm not so sure that its ready.

    They are rapidly approaching having computers that process beyond the capabilities of human beings and you're telling me they can't come up with the technology for alternative fuels for a car to run on...or anything else for that matter?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    mammasan wrote:
    Well as long as the majority of Americans continue to live their lives with their heads down and not questioning the government it will not end till the last drop of crude is sucked up from that god forsaken place.

    I think people are begininng to wake up but it seems so damn slow.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    They are rapidly approaching having computers that process beyond the capabilities of human beings and you're telling me they can't come up with the technology for alternative fuels for a car to run on...or anything else for that matter?
    yes, thats what i'm saying. writing software and improving computer capabilities is an entire different ballpark when talking about alternative fuel "technology"
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    jlew24asu wrote:
    yes, thats what i'm saying. writing software and improving computer capabilities is an entire different ballpark when talking about alternative fuel "technology"

    Yeah, there's little league and then there's the majors.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Yeah, there's little league and then there's the majors.
    I dont follow you ?
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I dont follow you ?

    I'm saying, to me, finding alternative methods for fueling seem quite simplistic when compared to building computers that surpass human capabilities. I mean shit, we can get energy from the sun and wind.

    http://www.northernsun.com/images/thumb/1356.jpg
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I'm saying, to me, finding alternative methods for fueling seem quite simplistic when compared to building computers that surpass human capabilities.
    I work in IT so I understand why and how the capabilites keep ten-folding.
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I mean shit, we can get energy from the sun and wind.

    http://www.northernsun.com/images/thumb/1356.jpg
    true. but I just know enough about it personally to understand why its not the norm.

    solar panels and windmills, I believe, just do not provide enough energy to fill out needs.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I work in IT so I understand why and how the capabilites keep ten-folding.

    true. but I just know enough about it personally to understand why its not the norm.

    solar panels and windmills, I believe, just do not provide enough energy to fill out needs.

    Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm?


    http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Essays/suppression_bird.htm

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=+Free+energy+suppression&btnG=Search
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm?


    http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Essays/suppression_bird.htm

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=+Free+energy+suppression&btnG=Search


    :eek: did someone just say conspiracy!!!! :D
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    jlew24asu wrote:
    :eek: did someone just say conspiracy!!!! :D

    You have to admit there was a lot of cases there. ;) With the technology we have available to us now it just seems like a no brainer.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde

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