Nope the COTs are a different issue altogether. They're actually very uncommon down in the subtropical area that I work in. I've only ever seen two. We do have a few ideas about what kind of vectors might spread the disease, but as yet I've still been unable to nail a single pathogen that causes it. The problem with coral is that its inclined to die as soon as you take it out of the sea and put it in the lab, so its very difficult to tell whether it died because of something you did to it deliberately, or if it just died because it was homesick or something.
I've only ever seen them on the tele. Oh and I think I may have seen them in a tank in QLD once. They are certainly a problem though. Evil little buggers!
vectors? Sorry, got most of that Scott but what's a vector?
Died because it was homesick! That's a nice turn of phrase. Coral is such amazing stuff. Very interesting. I hope you can save it, scott. It's excellent work you are doing.
I've only ever seen them on the tele. Oh and I think I may have seen them in a tank in QLD once. They are certainly a problem though. Evil little buggers!
vectors? Sorry, got most of that Scott but what's a vector?
Died because it was homesick! That's a nice turn of phrase. Coral is such amazing stuff. Very interesting. I hope you can save it, scott. It's excellent work you are doing.
By vector I meant something that carries the disease-causing agent (whatever it is) from one coral to the next. We've done experiments to show that it can't travel through the water by itself, even over a distance of just a few cm, so it must need a vector. The most likely culprit would be an animal that feeds on the coral. We do have one candidate in mind. I found a little nudibranch (sea slug) on one of our corals that grazes on the coral tissue and seemed to be carrying something that spread across the coral, causing it to die, even after the nudibranch was removed. You can read all about it here if you're really bored
The only problem is that we've never seen another one of the little buggers! So I can't investigate the possibility any further.
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By vector I meant something that carries the disease-causing agent (whatever it is) from one coral to the next. We've done experiments to show that it can't travel through the water by itself, even over a distance of just a few cm, so it must need a vector. The most likely culprit would be an animal that feeds on the coral. We do have one candidate in mind. I found a little nudibranch (sea slug) on one of our corals that grazes on the coral tissue and seemed to be carrying something that spread across the coral, causing it to die, even after the nudibranch was removed. You can read all about it here if you're really bored
The only problem is that we've never seen another one of the little buggers! So I can't investigate the possibility any further.
Ooh!! Nudibranches! I've heard of those!! Bit hard to forget really! Such a memorable name!! Anyway, I've added the site to my favorites scott and will go back and look later, when I get bored! Which is sooo not now!!
Running around like a headless chook here!! :eek:
Thanks for this info though. It's a really interesting subject, and very interesting about the sea slug being the culprit!
How about the fact that our population is about 5% the size of America's? So if we were to make a contribution (which we shouldn't have) it should be about 5% of America's. Of course that's a completely lame argument, because we sent 50,000 troops to Vietnam in support of another stupid american war, and our population was significantly smaller then.
A better explanation is that our contribution is just a token show of support by our Bush puppet of prime minister, designed to keep that anal passage well lubricated while not provoking too much outcry from the australian public.
the latter is what i was getting at. though even 5% of america's forces would be more than 1000 troops... american has about 100,000 i think. bottom line is, this guy's an idiot.
At the risk of being further probed by ASIO, anybody else be voting for Johnny at the next election? Anybody got any theories about what he's trying to deflect attention from with his Obama comments?
the latter is what i was getting at. though even 5% of america's forces would be more than 1000 troops... american has about 100,000 i think. bottom line is, this guy's an idiot.
hate to burst your bubble, but one thing john howard is not, is an idiot. he is a shrewd poliitican who has on several occasions taken advantage of the australian people's sentiments and prejudices to further his career. attacking obama was a just foolish thing to do.
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At the risk of being further probed by ASIO, anybody else be voting for Johnny at the next election? Anybody got any theories about what he's trying to deflect attention from with his Obama comments?
i suspect something to do with the water crisis. maybe he's getting ready to privatise something. i wouldn't be surprised of anything really.
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hate to burst your bubble, but one thing john howard is not, is an idiot. he is a shrewd poliitican who has on several occasions taken advantage of the australian people's sentiments and prejudices to further his career. attacking obama was a just foolish thing to do.
then you could say the same about george bush. he's a shrewd politician yada yada yada. but i think that'd be wrong. they're both idiots. good at what they do maybe, but idiots nonetheless.
the latter is what i was getting at. though even 5% of america's forces would be more than 1000 troops... american has about 100,000 i think. bottom line is, this guy's an idiot.
Our PM you mean ss?
I guess maybe what scott is trying to say, not that I wish to speak for him, is the majority of us here do not support sending our troops to dangerous war situations in support of America when we don't agree with the battle.
And maybe we have only, by American standards, sent a small amount of troupes, but seing as how we are only a nation of around 18million, even small troupe numbers for stupid reasons is too much. And not something we need to be feeling ridiculed for. Not that I'm saying you are. BUT there seems to be that kind of sentiment from some of the posts I'm reading and I find it offensive, to those we have lost, in support of stupid American policies.
And before you get all cranky with me, I'm not having a go. Just saying my peace. As proven by WW2, we have no problem supporting America into battle when it is obviously a fight that needs to be had. But just because we are small doesn't make us or our contribution insignificant.
then you could say the same about george bush. he's a shrewd politician yada yada yada. but i think that'd be wrong. they're both idiots. good at what they do maybe, but idiots nonetheless.
you could i guess but you'd be kidding yourself. bush has done nothing that warrants him even remotely being called shrewd. i don't know if bush is an idiot, but he's done some pretty stupid things. the two politicians are not comparable in my opinion.
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the latter is what i was getting at. though even 5% of america's forces would be more than 1000 troops... american has about 100,000 i think. bottom line is, this guy's an idiot.
Oh, I think he's far from being an idiot. A spineless conservative capitalist prick maybe, but not an idiot.
Just for comparison, in the past, when the Australian public has felt that a war really does warrant our attention, we have sent enormous numbers of troops. About 500,000 Australians served in WWII, and back then our population was half the size it is now.
The government knows how unpopular the Iraq war is in Australia. Its never had support from the public here from the very beginning. I think the feeling at the start was that it was America's problem, not ours, and that by getting involved all we were doing was making ourselves a target for Bush's imaginary terrorists. Johnny knows that sending large numbers of soldiers to Iraq would be political suicide, which is why our contribution is only a small token, and probably why many of the Australians there are working in non-combat roles.
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Oh, I think he's far from being an idiot. A spineless conservative capitalist prick maybe, but not an idiot.
Just for comparison, in the past, when the Australian public has felt that a war really does warrant our attention, we have sent enormous numbers of troops. About 500,000 Australians served in WWII, and back then our population was half the size it is now.
The government knows how unpopular the Iraq war is in Australia. Its never had support from the public here from the very beginning. I think the feeling at the start was that it was America's problem, not ours, and that by getting involved all we were doing was making ourselves a target for Bush's imaginary terrorists. Johnny knows that sending large numbers of soldiers to Iraq would be political suicide, which is why our contribution is only a small token, and probably why many of the Australians there are working in non-combat roles.
Yet he's still/always vocalized (and deeded) support of America in this. I have a problem with Johnny, I think he's ill.
Hey now. Last time we turned it from a safe Lib seat to a marginal. There's been some re-distribution around the boundaries, cutting out some richer areas and taking in some poorer bits. It's not expected, but we could conceivably end up with a coalition national win, but without Howard in parliament.
Hey now. Last time we turned it from a safe Lib seat to a marginal. There's been some re-distribution around the boundaries, cutting out some richer areas and taking in some poorer bits. It's not expected, but we could conceivably end up with a coalition national win, but without Howard in parliament.
YIKES!!! Never thought of that!!! :eek: Suppose that'd be Costello's big chance then?
my problem with johnny is that he doesn't represent the majority of australian voters.
i don't see how you can say he doesn't represent the majority if he has won four elections, and won an increased majority last time. he may lose this time, but he speaks of a large proportion of the country. people make jokes about him but he obviously spoke for a larger group of people than either paul keating, kim beazley, simon crean or mark latham.
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Don't get me started on research and education funding. . .
Oh and VSU! Thank you very much Mr Howard for that little gem. All the services, pubs, sporting clubs etc at my uni have gone completely down the crapper since VSU was imposed on us. The slimy bastard said he was giving students the right to choose. If he really wanted to give students the right to choose he would have let the NSU hold a referendum on the matter.
i disagree with howard on many issues but i reckon he was right with this issue. why should i have funded a host of clubs and services at my university days that i never used, to the tune of $500 or so? particulary as a poor student?
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i don't see how you can say he doesn't represent the majority if he has won four elections, and won an increased majority last time. he may lose this time, but he speaks of a large proportion of the country. people make jokes about him but he obviously spoke for a larger group of people than either paul keating, kim beazley, simon crean or mark latham.
I disagree ASL. Johnny has managed to get in on preferences, with the help of the National vote and with some very creative counting skills. Don't be thinking that he speaks for me or anybody I know. He is a disgrace, has always been a disgrace and it's going to be good riddance to bad rubbish at the next election as far as I'm concerned. And I think you'll find that during the last labor administration they made changes to the preferential voting system that has enabled his re election. Just because there are young people voting that can't recall any other prime minister doesn't mean that a) he is good at the job or b) that the majority of us voted for him.
i disagree with howard on many issues but i reckon he was right with this issue. why should i have funded a host of clubs and services at my university days that i never used, to the tune of $500 or so? particulary as a poor student?
Because your student union also provides services that you do use ASL.
At least it did before it was shut down.
Labour hasn't been in power for over a decade how could they possibly have imporoved thier economic management? Besides it never was bad, the liberals just manged to manipulate very one in to trusting them. If you look at education particularly in Science and technology we are seriously lagging behind the rest of the developed world because there is no investment or governemnt support-departments are run on shoe strings-particularly difficult in innovative areas not currently supported by industry. This is completely myopic economic managment.
the state labor governments have vastly improved their economic management. for instance in victoria john cain and joan kirner were completely hopeless at running the economy. kennett and stockdale came in and got victoria's AAA rating back. now john brumby is doing a good job running the victorian economy, other state labor governments are better at the job as well.
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i don't see how you can say he doesn't represent the majority if he has won four elections, and won an increased majority last time. he may lose this time, but he speaks of a large proportion of the country. people make jokes about him but he obviously spoke for a larger group of people than either paul keating, kim beazley, simon crean or mark latham.
i stand corrected ASL, howard did win with an increased majority in 2004.
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I've only ever seen them on the tele. Oh and I think I may have seen them in a tank in QLD once. They are certainly a problem though. Evil little buggers!
vectors? Sorry, got most of that Scott but what's a vector?
Died because it was homesick!
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By vector I meant something that carries the disease-causing agent (whatever it is) from one coral to the next. We've done experiments to show that it can't travel through the water by itself, even over a distance of just a few cm, so it must need a vector. The most likely culprit would be an animal that feeds on the coral. We do have one candidate in mind. I found a little nudibranch (sea slug) on one of our corals that grazes on the coral tissue and seemed to be carrying something that spread across the coral, causing it to die, even after the nudibranch was removed. You can read all about it here if you're really bored
http://www.springerlink.com/content/36185170x60637t1/fulltext.pdf
The only problem is that we've never seen another one of the little buggers! So I can't investigate the possibility any further.
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Ooh!! Nudibranches! I've heard of those!! Bit hard to forget really! Such a memorable name!!
Running around like a headless chook here!! :eek:
Thanks for this info though. It's a really interesting subject, and very interesting about the sea slug being the culprit!
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the latter is what i was getting at. though even 5% of america's forces would be more than 1000 troops... american has about 100,000 i think. bottom line is, this guy's an idiot.
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hate to burst your bubble, but one thing john howard is not, is an idiot. he is a shrewd poliitican who has on several occasions taken advantage of the australian people's sentiments and prejudices to further his career. attacking obama was a just foolish thing to do.
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i suspect something to do with the water crisis. maybe he's getting ready to privatise something. i wouldn't be surprised of anything really.
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then you could say the same about george bush. he's a shrewd politician yada yada yada. but i think that'd be wrong. they're both idiots. good at what they do maybe, but idiots nonetheless.
Our PM you mean ss?
I guess maybe what scott is trying to say, not that I wish to speak for him, is the majority of us here do not support sending our troops to dangerous war situations in support of America when we don't agree with the battle.
And maybe we have only, by American standards, sent a small amount of troupes, but seing as how we are only a nation of around 18million, even small troupe numbers for stupid reasons is too much. And not something we need to be feeling ridiculed for. Not that I'm saying you are. BUT there seems to be that kind of sentiment from some of the posts I'm reading and I find it offensive, to those we have lost, in support of stupid American policies.
And before you get all cranky with me, I'm not having a go. Just saying my peace. As proven by WW2, we have no problem supporting America into battle when it is obviously a fight that needs to be had. But just because we are small doesn't make us or our contribution insignificant.
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you could i guess but you'd be kidding yourself. bush has done nothing that warrants him even remotely being called shrewd. i don't know if bush is an idiot, but he's done some pretty stupid things. the two politicians are not comparable in my opinion.
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That'll be it cate!! THE MURRAY DARLING BASIN!!! There's been a huge debate go on here about that!! Bet that's it!! Clever girl!!
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Oh, I think he's far from being an idiot. A spineless conservative capitalist prick maybe, but not an idiot.
Just for comparison, in the past, when the Australian public has felt that a war really does warrant our attention, we have sent enormous numbers of troops. About 500,000 Australians served in WWII, and back then our population was half the size it is now.
The government knows how unpopular the Iraq war is in Australia. Its never had support from the public here from the very beginning. I think the feeling at the start was that it was America's problem, not ours, and that by getting involved all we were doing was making ourselves a target for Bush's imaginary terrorists. Johnny knows that sending large numbers of soldiers to Iraq would be political suicide, which is why our contribution is only a small token, and probably why many of the Australians there are working in non-combat roles.
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Yet he's still/always vocalized (and deeded) support of America in this. I have a problem with Johnny, I think he's ill.
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my problem with johnny is that he doesn't represent the majority of australian voters.
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So we have to court your favor then Hinny?
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i'm sorry Ex but that sounds like a loaded question.
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Charming!!
Nah! It's all good here Last Exodus! How's the plumbing there?
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YIKES!!! Never thought of that!!! :eek: Suppose that'd be Costello's big chance then?
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i don't see how you can say he doesn't represent the majority if he has won four elections, and won an increased majority last time. he may lose this time, but he speaks of a large proportion of the country. people make jokes about him but he obviously spoke for a larger group of people than either paul keating, kim beazley, simon crean or mark latham.
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i disagree with howard on many issues but i reckon he was right with this issue. why should i have funded a host of clubs and services at my university days that i never used, to the tune of $500 or so? particulary as a poor student?
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I disagree ASL. Johnny has managed to get in on preferences, with the help of the National vote and with some very creative counting skills. Don't be thinking that he speaks for me or anybody I know. He is a disgrace, has always been a disgrace and it's going to be good riddance to bad rubbish at the next election as far as I'm concerned. And I think you'll find that during the last labor administration they made changes to the preferential voting system that has enabled his re election. Just because there are young people voting that can't recall any other prime minister doesn't mean that a) he is good at the job or b) that the majority of us voted for him.
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Because your student union also provides services that you do use ASL.
At least it did before it was shut down.
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the state labor governments have vastly improved their economic management. for instance in victoria john cain and joan kirner were completely hopeless at running the economy. kennett and stockdale came in and got victoria's AAA rating back. now john brumby is doing a good job running the victorian economy, other state labor governments are better at the job as well.
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i stand corrected ASL, howard did win with an increased majority in 2004.
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