i've just bought 1400 pairs of skinny-fit dungarees i was going to sell on ebay... that's me fucked then isnt it?
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
wow!! dungarees come in skinny fit? whoda thunk it?
erm, yes... what about all my hair clippers? they'll still sell wont they?
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
so in order to be "realistic" men should find obese women sexy?
Ummm. No. But I think what the media tries to portray as the ideal body type isn't necessarily a realistic one, and because the media portrays it a lot of women try to aspire to it. Which isn't a horrible thing in itself but I think a lot of guys put too much emphasis on it. My point is that maybe lesbians don't.
This isn't a legitimate conversation to discuss the "findings" of this "very reputable study" :rolleyes: , more like just another opportunity for those with superiority complexes to spread negativity, hatred and sweeping generalizations about those they perceive as different. Noice! :rolleyes:
yep, pretty much just like what happens in the religious threads when people start saying christians are idiots and religion is for the weak. There's not much discussion, save a few people, it's mostly an opportunity to jump on the "bash [insert group]" bandwagon.
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hehe Does that mean that the pearl jam men are all overweight and say stupid things as well?
most of them are. but the poster is probably a fellow american. so in any situation anywhere, the people are likely to be overweight. he just notices the girls more because he's not trying to sleep with the guys probably
Ummm. No. But I think what the media tries to portray as the ideal body type isn't necessarily a realistic one, and because the media portrays it a lot of women try to aspire to it. Which isn't a horrible thing in itself but I think a lot of guys put too much emphasis on it. My point is that maybe lesbians don't.
gotcha. you're probably right about that, though i suspect guys don't put as much emphasis on it as one might think. and the playing field is being leveled a bit... the same pressure for 6-pack abs and perfect hair is starting to be applied to men. fact is, fear and insecurity will sell more products. there may be something to the fact that when you're living a lifestyle much of society can't seem to accept, whether or not your body is up to the moment's fashions becomes trivial by comparison.
Any ideas as to why this is the case? I have my own ideas, naturally, but I'd like to hear some more open-minded views
A little background...I happen to live 4 blocks from a karaoke bar, that happens to have a large (not a pun ) lesbian crowd...I have to admit, it's one of my favorite bars I've ever been to, plus add the fact I can walk to and stagger from the bar without the use of a car, makes it all the better...
anyhoo...I have to say, I've seen girls gain some serious weight since I've become a regular at the bar...it's not a big bar, so everyone kinda knows everyone...so you notice when a new person joins the group...and over time, some tend to gain weight petty quickly...of course, correlation does not equal causation...just tossing my my two cents...
actually yes. its an addendum to the why pearl jam men say such stupid things study.
LOL touche
When I went to a PJ concert, I didn't think PJ women were overweight. A lot of 'em looked like leftists who prob smoke their fair share of ganja, but hey, that can be hot.
Liberal women tend to be too conscious of "organic" food and vegetarianism to be overweight.
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Anyone who has read the majority of your posts knows that women will not date you. Sorry, but even if you were Brad Pitt and had an 18 inch penis, women would still be repulsed.
Haha, that's what you think, Brandon. Women love to date men like me because, deep down inside (;)), they need a strong man to give 'em their marching orders.
I've dated my fair share of ladies and I will tell you this: most of them have been leftists. Just goes to show that Right wing men are ballers.
Your reference to penis size shows that you know nothing about women...you might know something about pornstars though?
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Haha, that's what you think, Brandon. Women love to date men like me because, deep down inside (;)), they need a strong man to give 'em their marching orders.
I've dated my fair share of ladies and I will tell you this: most of them have been leftists. Just goes to show that Right wing men are ballers.
Your reference to penis size shows that you know nothing about women...you might know something about pornstars though?
this is true. i know a ton of lefty girls who married hardcore corporate WASP types. my ex was totally unapologetic saying that's what she wanted. it's taught me to hide my leftist leanings and act like a sexist right-winger when looking for the ladies.
Anyone who has read the majority of your posts knows that women will not date you. Sorry, but even if you were Brad Pitt and had an 18 inch penis, women would still be repulsed.
most of them are. but the poster is probably a fellow american. so in any situation anywhere, the people are likely to be overweight. he just notices the girls more because he's not trying to sleep with the guys probably
So is this like pearl jam fans are more likely to hold liberal attitudes?
yep, pretty much just like what happens in the religious threads when people start saying christians are idiots and religion is for the weak. There's not much discussion, save a few people, it's mostly an opportunity to jump on the "bash [insert group]" bandwagon.
Yeah, but that happens to the athiests and women and gays and lesbians and republicans and democrats et al too. There's always someone with a judgement to hand down on someone else that is personal instead of being able to disagree or argue or even simply discuss the merits of the philosophy or subject. I guess some times people get frustrated or something. It would be good if you could come to the Moving Train and actually LEARN SOMETHING NEW instead of rehashing the same tired old tit for tat crap that goes on. Which advances nothing. But I pretty much gave up on that idea a long time ago. It's a rare day when I learn anything new on the Train these days. Just the same tired old rubbish.
Maybe it's the human condition or something?
Yeah, but that happens to the athiests and women and gays and lesbians and republicans and democrats et al too. There's always someone with a judgement to hand down on someone else that is personal instead of being able to disagree or argue or even simply discuss the merits of the philosophy or subject. I guess some times people get frustrated or something. It would be good if you could come to the Moving Train and actually LEARN SOMETHING NEW instead of rehashing the same tired old tit for tat crap that goes on. Which advances nothing. But I pretty much gave up on that idea a long time ago. It's a rare day when I learn anything new on the Train these days. Just the same tired old rubbish.
Maybe it's the human condition or something?
damn it jeanie, im not here to learn... im here to bust some heads and preach my heathen ways.
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i dunno. the obesity numbers in america are pretty black and white. there's good reason we have the reputation we do?
Yes but those numbers have recently been surpassed by Australia anyway, so your reputation, and quite likely then your reality, will change also.
I know you're not saying American obesity statistics are pretty black and white and therefore a reality that it also follows then, that all obese American women are lesbians as suggested by your friend there with the psychic ability. AND that the reason there are obese lesbians over represented in these stats is because they don't give a shit what men think because they're not wanting get jiggy with fellas anyway. Because that would have to be the biggest oversimplification I think I may have heard in a while.
foxnews?? oh say no more. i wouldnt even believe them if they told me i was a girl.
Well I'm not sure that it was fox news that broke the initial story, I chose this link from fox because it was most like what I remember hearing at the time from several news agencies.
The research was done by the Baker Institute which is supposedly reputable HOWEVER I did find an article that explained exactly why they felt the research and therefore the stats were flawed. I'd post the link but it's quite possible that the article was what has killed my computer so it'll have to wait sorry.
It's most likely got something to do with hormones and hopefully if the researchers are unbiased and thinking in terms of biochemistry they'll be researching it from that angle.
A heterosexual woman would have her pheremones geared to be sexually aroused by testosterone and other male hormones and lesbian women would have pheremones geared to eostrogen or female hormones or perhaps they generate more testosterone in the absence of it sexually stimulating them?
Whatever. It will be, supposing the study is correct, most likely a phenomenon happening on a base chemical level. I wonder if lesbian women are more predisposed to particular diseases like Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome because of the ratio of eostrogen and testosterone in their biology, which most certainly will lead to a greater predisposition to obesity.
Ryan could explain it so much better than I ever could.
I have polycystic ovarian syndrome. It's not a disease. I have been average weight about 1/2 my life and on the hefty side about 1/2, but not ridiculously so. I had a hard time losing it after my second kid. One of my daughters is a lesbian. The other is not. However, interestingly, she is left-handed, and handedness is also correlated with sexual orientation. Neither of my offspring has Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome. Before pregnancy, I wondered if because *I* had higher than average testosterone, I would have a higher tendency to have females who were lesbian or males who were heterosexual, but much more highly aggressive than typical. Let's face it...swimming in a testosterone/androgen pool for nine formative months might have some effect. I am glad to say I had no boys, but only because I felt I would run a much higher risk of finding out about law enforcement and jails if I had had one. You know, my son would be the guy so freaked out you bumped him in the hall, he'd slug your mom and break your knees. So, all in all...I think it's a good thing I had girls where my biggest risk would be there would be entirely too many flannel shirts in the house. But, I liked early PJ, too, so...you know, I wouldn't really be running this big risk I couldn't handle.
I am heterosexual. My guess based on me then is that Polycyctic Ovarian Syndrome has no bearing on the sexuality of the person having the syndrome, but that it very well might on the offspring of that woman. Certainly, I've never met a lesbian who revealed to me she had the syndrome, but I've met a couple of heterosexual females who also have the syndrome. One correlation doesn't make a very good case, I'm aware. Still. I feel that it might because I once read that it seemed that males who "grew up" in a womb filled with higher than normal estrogen conditions seemed to demonstrate a tendency toward homosexuality. Also, males who are not first born definitely do demonstrate higher and higher tendencies towards homosexuality. For example, a 5th born son is much more likely to be gay than a first born. In my life, I do see such a correlation among gay males I know. That's hardly science, but it is an observation.
Also, I would like to state that I don't "care" why there are gay people--in the "let's fix them" sense, 'cuz they ain't broken--I'm just glad they're around. My life has certainly been much enriched by the gender-orientation spectrum I've come across than if everyone were cookie-cutter.
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wow!! dungarees come in skinny fit? whoda thunk it?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
erm, yes... what about all my hair clippers? they'll still sell wont they?
not to me. i have long hair.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Ummm. No. But I think what the media tries to portray as the ideal body type isn't necessarily a realistic one, and because the media portrays it a lot of women try to aspire to it. Which isn't a horrible thing in itself but I think a lot of guys put too much emphasis on it. My point is that maybe lesbians don't.
yep, pretty much just like what happens in the religious threads when people start saying christians are idiots and religion is for the weak. There's not much discussion, save a few people, it's mostly an opportunity to jump on the "bash [insert group]" bandwagon.
most of them are. but the poster is probably a fellow american. so in any situation anywhere, the people are likely to be overweight. he just notices the girls more because he's not trying to sleep with the guys probably
gotcha. you're probably right about that, though i suspect guys don't put as much emphasis on it as one might think. and the playing field is being leveled a bit... the same pressure for 6-pack abs and perfect hair is starting to be applied to men. fact is, fear and insecurity will sell more products. there may be something to the fact that when you're living a lifestyle much of society can't seem to accept, whether or not your body is up to the moment's fashions becomes trivial by comparison.
A little background...I happen to live 4 blocks from a karaoke bar, that happens to have a large (not a pun
anyhoo...I have to say, I've seen girls gain some serious weight since I've become a regular at the bar...it's not a big bar, so everyone kinda knows everyone...so you notice when a new person joins the group...and over time, some tend to gain weight petty quickly...of course, correlation does not equal causation...just tossing my my two cents...
LOL touche
When I went to a PJ concert, I didn't think PJ women were overweight. A lot of 'em looked like leftists who prob smoke their fair share of ganja, but hey, that can be hot.
Liberal women tend to be too conscious of "organic" food and vegetarianism to be overweight.
-Enoch Powell
Haha, that's what you think, Brandon. Women love to date men like me because, deep down inside (;)), they need a strong man to give 'em their marching orders.
I've dated my fair share of ladies and I will tell you this: most of them have been leftists. Just goes to show that Right wing men are ballers.
Your reference to penis size shows that you know nothing about women...you might know something about pornstars though?
-Enoch Powell
Europeans...:-/
-Enoch Powell
this is true. i know a ton of lefty girls who married hardcore corporate WASP types. my ex was totally unapologetic saying that's what she wanted. it's taught me to hide my leftist leanings and act like a sexist right-winger when looking for the ladies.
Gold.
Boom-boom-cha!
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Yeah, but that happens to the athiests and women and gays and lesbians and republicans and democrats et al too. There's always someone with a judgement to hand down on someone else that is personal instead of being able to disagree or argue or even simply discuss the merits of the philosophy or subject. I guess some times people get frustrated or something. It would be good if you could come to the Moving Train and actually LEARN SOMETHING NEW instead of rehashing the same tired old tit for tat crap that goes on. Which advances nothing. But I pretty much gave up on that idea a long time ago. It's a rare day when I learn anything new on the Train these days. Just the same tired old rubbish.
Maybe it's the human condition or something?
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damn it jeanie, im not here to learn... im here to bust some heads and preach my heathen ways.
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liberal doesn't have to mean in denial of reality
ha! Well you've come to the right place then!
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Ah yes, but isn't reality all relative?
There's my reality and there's your reality and there's every other person's reality. AND of course WE ALL do denial.
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i dunno. the obesity numbers in america are pretty black and white. there's good reason we have the reputation we do?
anyone see 'in bruges' where colin farrell talks to the american tourists? fucking hysterical
Yes but those numbers have recently been surpassed by Australia anyway, so your reputation, and quite likely then your reality, will change also.
I know you're not saying American obesity statistics are pretty black and white and therefore a reality that it also follows then, that all obese American women are lesbians as suggested by your friend there with the psychic ability.
Nope sorry.
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were those numbers expressed as a percentage of the population. cause if not then im inclined to disagree with them.
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Yeah, to be honest I didn't look at them too closely, just noted that quite a few people here and there grabbed the bottom line and ran with it.
But there's been quite a bit of discussion about how the stats were gathered and expressed around here too.
It's FOX, so don't have a cow or anything.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,369496,00.html
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foxnews?? oh say no more. i wouldnt even believe them if they told me i was a girl.
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Well I'm not sure that it was fox news that broke the initial story, I chose this link from fox because it was most like what I remember hearing at the time from several news agencies.
The research was done by the Baker Institute which is supposedly reputable HOWEVER I did find an article that explained exactly why they felt the research and therefore the stats were flawed. I'd post the link but it's quite possible that the article was what has killed my computer so it'll have to wait sorry.
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I have polycystic ovarian syndrome. It's not a disease. I have been average weight about 1/2 my life and on the hefty side about 1/2, but not ridiculously so. I had a hard time losing it after my second kid. One of my daughters is a lesbian. The other is not. However, interestingly, she is left-handed, and handedness is also correlated with sexual orientation. Neither of my offspring has Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome. Before pregnancy, I wondered if because *I* had higher than average testosterone, I would have a higher tendency to have females who were lesbian or males who were heterosexual, but much more highly aggressive than typical. Let's face it...swimming in a testosterone/androgen pool for nine formative months might have some effect. I am glad to say I had no boys, but only because I felt I would run a much higher risk of finding out about law enforcement and jails if I had had one. You know, my son would be the guy so freaked out you bumped him in the hall, he'd slug your mom and break your knees. So, all in all...I think it's a good thing I had girls where my biggest risk would be there would be entirely too many flannel shirts in the house. But, I liked early PJ, too, so...you know, I wouldn't really be running this big risk I couldn't handle.
I am heterosexual. My guess based on me then is that Polycyctic Ovarian Syndrome has no bearing on the sexuality of the person having the syndrome, but that it very well might on the offspring of that woman. Certainly, I've never met a lesbian who revealed to me she had the syndrome, but I've met a couple of heterosexual females who also have the syndrome. One correlation doesn't make a very good case, I'm aware. Still. I feel that it might because I once read that it seemed that males who "grew up" in a womb filled with higher than normal estrogen conditions seemed to demonstrate a tendency toward homosexuality. Also, males who are not first born definitely do demonstrate higher and higher tendencies towards homosexuality. For example, a 5th born son is much more likely to be gay than a first born. In my life, I do see such a correlation among gay males I know. That's hardly science, but it is an observation.
Also, I would like to state that I don't "care" why there are gay people--in the "let's fix them" sense, 'cuz they ain't broken--I'm just glad they're around. My life has certainly been much enriched by the gender-orientation spectrum I've come across than if everyone were cookie-cutter.