Cafferty File: McCain supported invading Iraq, opposes Russia's advances on Georgia

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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    spyguy wrote:
    well in situations like war you sometimes cant ask nicely. and this is Russia. as you know they have a really bad past of invading other countries. they can not go unchecked.




    well this is a whole other issue with no easy solution. UN peacekeepers are basically useless and the only way to truly stop the genocide there would be to send in the american military. IMO

    What is Russia doing in Georgia that is any different than what we did in Iraq. During the Cold War what did Russia do that was so different from us. While they may have used their military to overthrow countries and plant their own puppet government we used more covert means, ie Iran and South America, to do the same. Just look what we are doing now by setting missile and radar installations in Russia's back yard. Do you really think that the US would allow that to happen if suddenly Russia was doing the same in Mexico, Canada or the Caribbean? You can bet your ass that our government would never allow that to happen, but when we do it fuck what everyone else thinks we are the US and we do what we want. So if that is the approach we are going to take then we should forfeit the right to tell other's how to conduct their business.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    spyguy wrote:
    as the leader of the free world, he shouldn't sit back and let Russia start invading whoever they want. like it or not, the US has a strong voice in the international community and always will.
    You really think we are free? Seriously?
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    I'll give you a big fat hint. Sending in the american military will not stop anything. Unless you plan on signing up yourself, along with hundreds of thousands of others, or voting to reintroduce the draft, last time i checked we don't have anyone left to send.

    I dont believe it would take much resources to stop genocide there. its my opinion our military would do just fine, even while being stretched this thin and having no draft.
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    You really think we are free? Seriously?

    um yes?
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    mammasan wrote:
    What is Russia doing in Georgia that is any different than what we did in Iraq. During the Cold War what did Russia do that was so different from us. While they may have used their military to overthrow countries and plant their own puppet government we used more covert means, ie Iran and South America, to do the same. Just look what we are doing now by setting missile and radar installations in Russia's back yard. Do you really think that the US would allow that to happen if suddenly Russia was doing the same in Mexico, Canada or the Caribbean? You can bet your ass that our government would never allow that to happen, but when we do it fuck what everyone else thinks we are the US and we do what we want. So if that is the approach we are going to take then we should forfeit the right to tell other's how to conduct their business.

    your entitled to your opinion but I dont think we should forfeit shit.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    spyguy wrote:
    your entitled to your opinion but I dont think we should forfeit shit.

    I would rather us not forfeit it but because we have changed the manner in which we interact with the rest of the world. I would love nothing more than to see our country reach it's full potential, in my opinion we have fallen from grace and no one seems to want to pick us back up.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    spyguy wrote:
    um yes?

    Good luck with that then. I cannot honestly pretend that we are doing our best to preserve that freedom anymore.
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    Good luck with that then. I cannot honestly pretend that we are doing our best to preserve that freedom anymore.

    this is way off topic but thanks I dont need luck. america is a free country. sure we have issues but come on
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    You really think we are free? Seriously?

    Compared to many places on this planet we are. In many places on the globe most of us would have carted off to some detention center by now for openly criticizing our government.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    mammasan wrote:
    Compared to many places on this planet we are. In many places on the globe most of us would have carted off to some detention center by now for openly criticizing our government.
    Just because we are not as bad as some other countries, doesn't make us 'free' mammasan. I apologize that i went off topic.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    Just because we are not as bad as some other countries, doesn't make us 'free' mammasan. I apologize that i went off topic.

    I have to disagree with you. We are free. Has our government tried to restrict some of our freedoms, yes, but in the overall sense we are a free people.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    know1 wrote:
    So it's not the same as the US & Iraq?
    well, he didn't specifically say that, but I can see comparisons:
    - Established government oppresses minority people
    - other country decides to intervene
    - oil is conveniently abundant in said country

    but there are definitely important differences - for example, the fact that Russia has something to do with the people being oppressed in South Ossentia, while the U.S. had no legitimate excuse for an Iraqi invasion.
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    mammasan wrote:
    I have to disagree with you. We are free. Has our government tried to restrict some of our freedoms, yes, but in the overall sense we are a free people.
    although our freedom to privacy has been infringed upon. our freedom of speech has been persecuted in this country, etc.
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    _outlaw wrote:
    although our freedom to privacy has been infringed upon. our freedom of speech has been persecuted in this country, etc.
    no it hasnt
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    _outlaw wrote:
    although our freedom to privacy has been infringed upon. our freedom of speech has been persecuted in this country, etc.

    As I said the government has definitely crossed the line many times but to say that we are nor free or that our freedom of speech has been persecuted is ridiculous. We are still a free people regardless of our governments actions. I can still openly protest my government with fear of reprisal. I can sit on this message board all day and do nothing but spew harsh critcisms about our government and still not suffer any reprocussions.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    spyguy wrote:
    no it hasnt
    that's what you have to say? stick to that argument.
    mammasan wrote:
    As I said the government has definitely crossed the line many times but to say that we are nor free or that our freedom of speech has been persecuted is ridiculous. We are still a free people regardless of our governments actions. I can still openly protest my government with fear of reprisal. I can sit on this message board all day and do nothing but spew harsh critcisms about our government and still not suffer any reprocussions.
    our freedom of speech IS persecuted. I know many people who have been jailed because they exercised their freedom of speech.

    I was agreeing with you about us having freedom, which is why I said "although..."
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    _outlaw wrote:

    our freedom of speech IS persecuted. I know many people who have been jailed because they exercised their freedom of speech.


    name one.
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    _outlaw wrote:
    that's what you have to say? stick to that argument.

    thats all I need to say. like mamma said, you can sit here all day and bad mouth the US government without any fear of getting arrested
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    spyguy wrote:
    name one.
    why, so you can insult them or say something ridiculous about them? I know these people personally and I don't need to hear shit from you about it.

    you keep your ignorant opinions, I couldn't care less.
  • spyguy
    spyguy Posts: 613
    _outlaw wrote:
    why, so you can insult them or say something ridiculous about them? I know these people personally and I don't need to hear shit from you about it.

    you keep your ignorant opinions, I couldn't care less.

    dont get mad when I call out your bullshit. you claim to know several people who have been arrested for freedom of speech. how many? what were they charged with? where ? when?




    I didnt think so

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