No... Im all for sit down and talk, but isnt your buddy Cotton Hill and all of his surrogates telling us that Obama was neive for suggesting they sit down and talk while Cotton's Idea was to sabre rattle and talk about how Russia should suffer for their actions and how "we are all Georgians"? Obama was the one to suggest they nned to talk and has caught nothing but hell from the media while they Praise Cotton hill for being so stong on the subject.... so to be clear, I am not for war... that is your guys position. I was just pointing out that you seem to share Obama's view on the situation.
"Bullying and intimidation are not acceptable ways to conduct foreign policy in the 21st century," Bush said.
WHAT FUCKING PLANET IS THIS GUY LIVING ON????? DO WE EVEN HAVE 1 VALID REPORTER IN THIS COUNTRY TO CALL HIM ON THIS SHIT????? AND McCAIN SAYS "in the 21st century, nations do not invade other nations"... and Condi says.." You cant get away with invading a country, overthrowing its govenment and taking over it's Capital"..... SOMEONE HAS TO CALL THEM ON THIS... you really dont see the irony ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
No... Im all for sit down and talk, but isnt your buddy Cotton Hill and all of his surrogates telling us that Obama was neive for suggesting they sit down and talk while Cotton's Idea was to sabre rattle and talk about how Russia should suffer for their actions and how "we are all Georgians"? Obama was the one to suggest they nned to talk and has caught nothing but hell from the media while they Praise Cotton hill for being so stong on the subject.... so to be clear, I am not for war... that is your guys position. I was just pointing out that you seem to share Obama's view on the situation.
what makes u you think I support McCain? actually I support Bush/Rice's position on this matter. they are the ones who are sitting down and talking, and pushing for a peaceful solution to the situation. Obama is completely irrelevant, as is McCain.
"Bullying and intimidation are not acceptable ways to conduct foreign policy in the 21st century," Bush said.
WHAT FUCKING PLANET IS THIS GUY LIVING ON????? DO WE EVEN HAVE 1 VALID REPORTER IN THIS COUNTRY TO CALL HIM ON THIS SHIT????? AND McCAIN SAYS "in the 21st century, nations do not invade other nations"... and Condi says.." You cant get away with invading a country, overthrowing its govenment and taking over it's Capital"..... SOMEONE HAS TO CALL THEM ON THIS... you really dont see the irony ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
I'm glad they are saying what they say. who gives a fuck if its ironic or hypocritical. feel free to call them out all you want. even use all caps if it makes u feel better. the goal is to stop war.
but you did say in a previous post that we should keep our fucking mouth shut....stay out of the problem completely....let them settle it. (I'm paraphrasing)
here you are agree we should get them to talk. ??
I said that the issues is a Russian/Georgian one and that we have no right to tell anyone what to do, specially in this situation, but that it was completely acceptable to offer our serves in brokering a cease fire or a deal to end hostilities. This is the role the US should play around the world. As a peaceful negotiator unless military action is called for, example WW II. If we see ourselves as a role model for all nations then we should start acting like one. We shouldn't be harshly criticizing and threatening another country when they are acting in the same manner in which we are.
You mentioned Darfur in another post and I forgot to reply. I see our role in Darfur as a humanitarian one. Offer aid, medicine, food, supplies to a people desperately in need of it. Along with that humanitarian aid we should, through diplomacy, be trying to bring an end to the tragedy there. If that means providing support to a UN peacekeeping force then so be it, but I don't think we should send in our military a la Somalia.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
I'm glad they are saying what they say. who gives a fuck if its ironic or hypocritical. feel free to call them out all you want. even use all caps if it makes u feel better. the goal is to stop war.
they can say whatever they want, but even if reporters don't have the balls to call them on it, and Americans are to stupid to realize how hypocritical it is, they will be laughed off the world stage. You simply CANNOT conduct foreign policy as Bush/McCain have done over the past 7 years and then have the world take you seriously. We have NO RIGHT to involve ourselves in this situation. we gave that right away when we ran the world like drunk cowboys for 7 years. then when someone comes along and wants to have a responsable foreign policy, and the world is thrilled to see that prospect, Your Buddy makes fun of him for being "the biggest celeberity in the world" as if the world having hope that we might no be led by a lunatic is a bad thing.
I said that the issues is a Russian/Georgian one and that we have no right to tell anyone what to do, specially in this situation, but that it was completely acceptable to offer our serves in brokering a cease fire or a deal to end hostilities. This is the role the US should play around the world. As a peaceful negotiator unless military action is called for, example WW II. If we see ourselves as a role model for all nations then we should start acting like one. We shouldn't be harshly criticizing and threatening another country when they are acting in the same manner in which we are.
well in situations like war you sometimes cant ask nicely. and this is Russia. as you know they have a really bad past of invading other countries. they can not go unchecked.
You mentioned Darfur in another post and I forgot to reply. I see our role in Darfur as a humanitarian one. Offer aid, medicine, food, supplies to a people desperately in need of it. Along with that humanitarian aid we should, through diplomacy, be trying to bring an end to the tragedy there. If that means providing support to a UN peacekeeping force then so be it, but I don't think we should send in our military a la Somalia.
well this is a whole other issue with no easy solution. UN peacekeepers are basically useless and the only way to truly stop the genocide there would be to send in the american military. IMO
they can say whatever they want, but even if reporters don't have the balls to call them on it, and Americans are to stupid to realize how hypocritical it is, they will be laughed off the world stage. You simply CANNOT conduct foreign policy as Bush/McCain have done over the past 7 years and then have the world take you seriously. We have NO RIGHT to involve ourselves in this situation. we gave that right away when we ran the world like drunk cowboys for 7 years. then when someone comes along and wants to have a responsable foreign policy, and the world is thrilled to see that prospect, Your Buddy makes fun of him for being "the biggest celeberity in the world" as if the world having hope that we might no be led by a lunatic is a bad thing.
blah blah blah. bitch and moan about bush all you want. as the leader of the free world, he shouldn't sit back and let Russia start invading whoever they want. like it or not, the US has a strong voice in the international community and always will. I think you need to pay closer attention to what the US is actually doing behind the scenes. because right now you are only focused on calling bush and the US government assholes instead of focusing on what they are actually doing.
well this is a whole other issue with no easy solution. UN peacekeepers are basically useless and the only way to truly stop the genocide there would be to send in the american military. IMO
I'll give you a big fat hint. Sending in the american military will not stop anything. Unless you plan on signing up yourself, along with hundreds of thousands of others, or voting to reintroduce the draft, last time i checked we don't have anyone left to send.
well in situations like war you sometimes cant ask nicely. and this is Russia. as you know they have a really bad past of invading other countries. they can not go unchecked.
well this is a whole other issue with no easy solution. UN peacekeepers are basically useless and the only way to truly stop the genocide there would be to send in the american military. IMO
What is Russia doing in Georgia that is any different than what we did in Iraq. During the Cold War what did Russia do that was so different from us. While they may have used their military to overthrow countries and plant their own puppet government we used more covert means, ie Iran and South America, to do the same. Just look what we are doing now by setting missile and radar installations in Russia's back yard. Do you really think that the US would allow that to happen if suddenly Russia was doing the same in Mexico, Canada or the Caribbean? You can bet your ass that our government would never allow that to happen, but when we do it fuck what everyone else thinks we are the US and we do what we want. So if that is the approach we are going to take then we should forfeit the right to tell other's how to conduct their business.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
as the leader of the free world, he shouldn't sit back and let Russia start invading whoever they want. like it or not, the US has a strong voice in the international community and always will.
I'll give you a big fat hint. Sending in the american military will not stop anything. Unless you plan on signing up yourself, along with hundreds of thousands of others, or voting to reintroduce the draft, last time i checked we don't have anyone left to send.
I dont believe it would take much resources to stop genocide there. its my opinion our military would do just fine, even while being stretched this thin and having no draft.
What is Russia doing in Georgia that is any different than what we did in Iraq. During the Cold War what did Russia do that was so different from us. While they may have used their military to overthrow countries and plant their own puppet government we used more covert means, ie Iran and South America, to do the same. Just look what we are doing now by setting missile and radar installations in Russia's back yard. Do you really think that the US would allow that to happen if suddenly Russia was doing the same in Mexico, Canada or the Caribbean? You can bet your ass that our government would never allow that to happen, but when we do it fuck what everyone else thinks we are the US and we do what we want. So if that is the approach we are going to take then we should forfeit the right to tell other's how to conduct their business.
your entitled to your opinion but I dont think we should forfeit shit.
your entitled to your opinion but I dont think we should forfeit shit.
I would rather us not forfeit it but because we have changed the manner in which we interact with the rest of the world. I would love nothing more than to see our country reach it's full potential, in my opinion we have fallen from grace and no one seems to want to pick us back up.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Compared to many places on this planet we are. In many places on the globe most of us would have carted off to some detention center by now for openly criticizing our government.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Compared to many places on this planet we are. In many places on the globe most of us would have carted off to some detention center by now for openly criticizing our government.
Just because we are not as bad as some other countries, doesn't make us 'free' mammasan. I apologize that i went off topic.
Just because we are not as bad as some other countries, doesn't make us 'free' mammasan. I apologize that i went off topic.
I have to disagree with you. We are free. Has our government tried to restrict some of our freedoms, yes, but in the overall sense we are a free people.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
well, he didn't specifically say that, but I can see comparisons:
- Established government oppresses minority people
- other country decides to intervene
- oil is conveniently abundant in said country
but there are definitely important differences - for example, the fact that Russia has something to do with the people being oppressed in South Ossentia, while the U.S. had no legitimate excuse for an Iraqi invasion.
I have to disagree with you. We are free. Has our government tried to restrict some of our freedoms, yes, but in the overall sense we are a free people.
although our freedom to privacy has been infringed upon. our freedom of speech has been persecuted in this country, etc.
although our freedom to privacy has been infringed upon. our freedom of speech has been persecuted in this country, etc.
As I said the government has definitely crossed the line many times but to say that we are nor free or that our freedom of speech has been persecuted is ridiculous. We are still a free people regardless of our governments actions. I can still openly protest my government with fear of reprisal. I can sit on this message board all day and do nothing but spew harsh critcisms about our government and still not suffer any reprocussions.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
As I said the government has definitely crossed the line many times but to say that we are nor free or that our freedom of speech has been persecuted is ridiculous. We are still a free people regardless of our governments actions. I can still openly protest my government with fear of reprisal. I can sit on this message board all day and do nothing but spew harsh critcisms about our government and still not suffer any reprocussions.
our freedom of speech IS persecuted. I know many people who have been jailed because they exercised their freedom of speech.
I was agreeing with you about us having freedom, which is why I said "although..."
why, so you can insult them or say something ridiculous about them? I know these people personally and I don't need to hear shit from you about it.
you keep your ignorant opinions, I couldn't care less.
dont get mad when I call out your bullshit. you claim to know several people who have been arrested for freedom of speech. how many? what were they charged with? where ? when?
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080815/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_russia_georgia
No... Im all for sit down and talk, but isnt your buddy Cotton Hill and all of his surrogates telling us that Obama was neive for suggesting they sit down and talk while Cotton's Idea was to sabre rattle and talk about how Russia should suffer for their actions and how "we are all Georgians"? Obama was the one to suggest they nned to talk and has caught nothing but hell from the media while they Praise Cotton hill for being so stong on the subject.... so to be clear, I am not for war... that is your guys position. I was just pointing out that you seem to share Obama's view on the situation.
WHAT FUCKING PLANET IS THIS GUY LIVING ON????? DO WE EVEN HAVE 1 VALID REPORTER IN THIS COUNTRY TO CALL HIM ON THIS SHIT????? AND McCAIN SAYS "in the 21st century, nations do not invade other nations"... and Condi says.." You cant get away with invading a country, overthrowing its govenment and taking over it's Capital"..... SOMEONE HAS TO CALL THEM ON THIS... you really dont see the irony ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
what makes u you think I support McCain? actually I support Bush/Rice's position on this matter. they are the ones who are sitting down and talking, and pushing for a peaceful solution to the situation. Obama is completely irrelevant, as is McCain.
I'm glad they are saying what they say. who gives a fuck if its ironic or hypocritical. feel free to call them out all you want. even use all caps if it makes u feel better. the goal is to stop war.
I said that the issues is a Russian/Georgian one and that we have no right to tell anyone what to do, specially in this situation, but that it was completely acceptable to offer our serves in brokering a cease fire or a deal to end hostilities. This is the role the US should play around the world. As a peaceful negotiator unless military action is called for, example WW II. If we see ourselves as a role model for all nations then we should start acting like one. We shouldn't be harshly criticizing and threatening another country when they are acting in the same manner in which we are.
You mentioned Darfur in another post and I forgot to reply. I see our role in Darfur as a humanitarian one. Offer aid, medicine, food, supplies to a people desperately in need of it. Along with that humanitarian aid we should, through diplomacy, be trying to bring an end to the tragedy there. If that means providing support to a UN peacekeeping force then so be it, but I don't think we should send in our military a la Somalia.
they can say whatever they want, but even if reporters don't have the balls to call them on it, and Americans are to stupid to realize how hypocritical it is, they will be laughed off the world stage. You simply CANNOT conduct foreign policy as Bush/McCain have done over the past 7 years and then have the world take you seriously. We have NO RIGHT to involve ourselves in this situation. we gave that right away when we ran the world like drunk cowboys for 7 years. then when someone comes along and wants to have a responsable foreign policy, and the world is thrilled to see that prospect, Your Buddy makes fun of him for being "the biggest celeberity in the world" as if the world having hope that we might no be led by a lunatic is a bad thing.
well in situations like war you sometimes cant ask nicely. and this is Russia. as you know they have a really bad past of invading other countries. they can not go unchecked.
well this is a whole other issue with no easy solution. UN peacekeepers are basically useless and the only way to truly stop the genocide there would be to send in the american military. IMO
blah blah blah. bitch and moan about bush all you want. as the leader of the free world, he shouldn't sit back and let Russia start invading whoever they want. like it or not, the US has a strong voice in the international community and always will. I think you need to pay closer attention to what the US is actually doing behind the scenes. because right now you are only focused on calling bush and the US government assholes instead of focusing on what they are actually doing.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080815/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_russia_georgia
What is Russia doing in Georgia that is any different than what we did in Iraq. During the Cold War what did Russia do that was so different from us. While they may have used their military to overthrow countries and plant their own puppet government we used more covert means, ie Iran and South America, to do the same. Just look what we are doing now by setting missile and radar installations in Russia's back yard. Do you really think that the US would allow that to happen if suddenly Russia was doing the same in Mexico, Canada or the Caribbean? You can bet your ass that our government would never allow that to happen, but when we do it fuck what everyone else thinks we are the US and we do what we want. So if that is the approach we are going to take then we should forfeit the right to tell other's how to conduct their business.
I dont believe it would take much resources to stop genocide there. its my opinion our military would do just fine, even while being stretched this thin and having no draft.
um yes?
your entitled to your opinion but I dont think we should forfeit shit.
I would rather us not forfeit it but because we have changed the manner in which we interact with the rest of the world. I would love nothing more than to see our country reach it's full potential, in my opinion we have fallen from grace and no one seems to want to pick us back up.
Good luck with that then. I cannot honestly pretend that we are doing our best to preserve that freedom anymore.
this is way off topic but thanks I dont need luck. america is a free country. sure we have issues but come on
Compared to many places on this planet we are. In many places on the globe most of us would have carted off to some detention center by now for openly criticizing our government.
I have to disagree with you. We are free. Has our government tried to restrict some of our freedoms, yes, but in the overall sense we are a free people.
- Established government oppresses minority people
- other country decides to intervene
- oil is conveniently abundant in said country
but there are definitely important differences - for example, the fact that Russia has something to do with the people being oppressed in South Ossentia, while the U.S. had no legitimate excuse for an Iraqi invasion.
As I said the government has definitely crossed the line many times but to say that we are nor free or that our freedom of speech has been persecuted is ridiculous. We are still a free people regardless of our governments actions. I can still openly protest my government with fear of reprisal. I can sit on this message board all day and do nothing but spew harsh critcisms about our government and still not suffer any reprocussions.
I was agreeing with you about us having freedom, which is why I said "although..."
name one.
thats all I need to say. like mamma said, you can sit here all day and bad mouth the US government without any fear of getting arrested
you keep your ignorant opinions, I couldn't care less.
dont get mad when I call out your bullshit. you claim to know several people who have been arrested for freedom of speech. how many? what were they charged with? where ? when?
I didnt think so