I personally feel that the nationalism in the United States is leading it to some form of Nazism. The German's realized after WW2 that it was their nationalistic pride that allowed them to be coerced.
Does that clear things up?
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Not at all. The Germans were destroyed, left in a power vacuum, and had little hope. Hitler capitalized on this to gain support for his agenda. He then used this to whip up a religious fervor and get people to essentially turn a blind eye to the 'downside' of his policies.
We are not destroyed, we didn't have power vaccuum, and we had plenty of hope. The German's were 'coerced' long before Nationalism came into play. They turned to something evil because they had nothing else. Sound familiar. Now go pour yourself a nice warm cup of shut the fuck up.
Not at all. The Germans were destroyed, left in a power vacuum, and had little hope. Hitler capitalized on this to gain support for his agenda. He then used this to whip up a religious fervor and get people to essentially turn a blind eye to the 'downside' of his policies.
We are not destroyed, we didn't have power vaccuum, and we had plenty of hope. The German's were 'coerced' long before Nationalism came into play. They turned to something evil because they had nothing else. Sound familiar. Now go pour yourself a nice warm cup of shut the fuck up.
That's part of the story. From speaking with German citizens who have told me that they no longer sing a whole portion of their Anthem "deutschland über alles" ("Germany above all") as an example. Also the German flag is not raised to the degree that it is raised in the U.S. or as it were prior to and during World War 2.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
That's part of the story. From speaking with German citizens who have told me that they no longer sing a whole portion of their Anthem "deutschland über alles" ("Germany above all") as an example. Also the German flag is not raised to the degree that it is raised in the U.S. or as it were prior to and during World War 2.
They don't sing it because they are ashamed of what that lyric connotes. It doesn't explain the situation that was being discussed. And the flags not being waved...is this seriously the retort/rationale you are going to hang your hat on? Jesus.
I used to live in Germany and I really felt bad for the Krauts. Every time I brought up something in their Nazi history (not even in a bad way) they got quiet and ashamed, it's history though and it sucks that nobody wanted to talk about it, young people that is.
They don't sing it because they are ashamed of what that lyric connotes. It doesn't explain the situation that was being discussed. And the flags not being waved...is this seriously the retort/rationale you are going to hang your hat on? Jesus.
A lot of the power vacuum you refer to was financial. Hitler was after the Rothschilds, the international bankers that sprawled (and still do today) Europe.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I used to live in Germany and I really felt bad for the Krauts. Every time I brought up something in their Nazi history (not even in a bad way) they got quiet and ashamed, it's history though and it sucks that nobody wanted to talk about it, young people that is.
Well, that is their cross to bear because the fact is, their immediate relatives did acquiesce to that monster. My concern would be if they didn't feel shame. That period, and that man, must never be forgotten--it represents the worst case scenario of dictatorship and abuse of power.
This is part of the coercion. Certainly there were other coercions, but also Nationalism was a key part of not the rise to power of the Nazis but their ability to coerce the public.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Well, that is their cross to bear because the fact is, their immediate relatives did acquiesce to that monster. My concern would be if they didn't feel shame. That period, and that man, must never be forgotten--it represents the worst case scenario of dictatorship and abuse of power.
You wouldn't think that if you were Hitler.
Hitler had a good aim at driving the Rothschilds out along with the other usurers. He just had a monstrous method of achieving that goal, he also contracted Syphilis and was addicted to Methamphetamine. He believed that God spoke to him and told him to "take over the world".
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
"Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
-- Hermann Göring (Nazi Party)
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
"Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. ...Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
-- Hermann Göring (Nazi Party)
It isn't so much "dragging them along" as it is preying on their weakness. The weakness of the populice is the LIE, the BIG FAT LIE.
It isn't so much "dragging them along" as it is preying on their weakness. The weakness of the populice is the LIE, the BIG FAT LIE.
The weakness of what populus?
The American?
"Mission Accomplished"
"Iraq War"
"WMDs"
"Chemical Weapons"
Need I go on?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Hitler had a good aim at driving the Rothschilds out along with the other usurers. He just had a monstrous method of achieving that goal, he also contracted Syphilis and was addicted to Methamphetamine. He believed that God spoke to him and told him to "take over the world".
What the fuck?? You're right, I wouldn't think that if I was Hitler. I would be thinking that there are evil Jewish people out to get me, that I was the right hand of god, that it is my destiny to control the world, and that the best way to govern is throwing 6 million of my own countrymen into ovens.
And what the fuck with the Rothchilds and the word 'userer'? Fucking idiot.
What the fuck?? You're right, I wouldn't think that if I was Hitler. I would be thinking that there are evil Jewish people out to get me, that I was the right hand of god, that it is my destiny to control the world, and that the best way to govern is throwing 6 million of my own countrymen into ovens.
And what the fuck with the Rothchilds and the word 'userer'? Fucking idiot.
You like that word "Fuck" don't you?
I can't blame you, it's a good word. Though I would encourage more cautious use of the word "idiot".
I'm not going to give you a complete history of Usury and the Rothschilds and how that relates to Judaism. I'll let you read up on it yourself. There is a lot of information to absorb.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Wow I thought it was a type O too. I'm impressed, I'll give you 50 points for using it in a sentence. Hey that syphillis and Meth thing wasn't ever proven though right?
I can't blame you, it's a good word. Though I would encourage more cautious use of the word "idiot".
I'm not going to give you a complete history of Usury and the Rothschilds and how that relates to Judaism. I'll let you read up on it yourself. There is a lot of information to absorb.
Dude, first you are an idiot. Usury and the Rothchilds and their relation to Judaism, doesn't even fucking matter. Unless those two parties were 1) molesting children enmass, or 2) Secretly planning to kill humanity, there is no excuses for putting 6 million people in ovens. Hell, even if they were, you CANNOT KILL PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THEIR BELIEFS. Let alone 6,000,000 people. If you think otherwise, you are a blight on humanity, and you are a shit human being...and an idiot.
Wow I thought it was a type O too. I'm impressed, I'll give you 50 points for using it in a sentence. Hey that syphillis and Meth thing wasn't ever proven though right?
I'm pretty sure it was proven. The controversy is if he had Neurosyphilis which affects the nervous system, including the brain. He may or may not have had it.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I'm pretty sure it was proven. The controversy is if he had Neurosyphilis which affects the nervous system, including the brain. He may or may not have had it.
I'm pretty sure he was psychotic and delusional prior to the syphilis.
Dude, first you are an idiot. Usury and the Rothchilds and their relation to Judaism, doesn't even fucking matter. Unless those two parties were 1) molesting children enmass, or 2) Secretly planning to kill humanity, there is no excuses for putting 6 million people in ovens. Hell, even if they were, you CANNOT KILL PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THEIR BELIEFS. Let alone 6,000,000 people. If you think otherwise, you are a blight on humanity, and you are a shit human being...and an idiot.
All of it matters if you care to understand the events leading up to WW2. It matters to the motivation behind the Nazis. It wasn't just Hitler running the country.
You are assuming that there was linear causality.
E.g.
German's were stressed -> Nazism
Hitler was a monster -> Death of Jews.
I can assure you the complexity is infinite.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I'm pretty sure he was psychotic and delusional prior to the syphilis.
That may be, it's even harder to prove that.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Would you compare driving out the ROTHCHILDS usurers to our communist purging in the 50's and 60's?
It's more like how the U.S. drove the Bankers out under Pres. Andrew Jackson. Unfortunately he only won the battle, and the Federal Reserve was created later on from the Bank of America.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
German's were stressed -> Nazism
Hitler was a monster -> Death of Jews.
I can assure you the complexity is infinite.
Honestly, you shouldn't talk about this to anyone until you know what the fuck you are talking about. You will look like a fucking idiot. Now, given the state of education today, maybe kids aren't learning history, so they may not call you out, but if you said this shit at a party I was at, I would fucking mock you to no end. The complexities are not infinite, and your timeline/rationale is wrong.
German's left destitute by newly formed UN as payback for WWI--->They look for hope and better days---> a man comes and promises these things (secretly psychotic and paranoid)--->Nazi's come to power---> People buy into this rhetoric (they don't know Jews are already being killed)--->It becomes obvious after several years that exterminations are going on, the population turns a blind eye--->Nationalism (remember this part) and the fear of little else makes population follow enmass>>>Millions die, in ovens, on beaches, in cities, etc. You should have put Hitler was a Monster at the start. Idiot. Seriously, get fucking educated or don't talk about it.
Honestly, you shouldn't talk about this to anyone until you know what the fuck you are talking about. You will look like a fucking idiot. Now, given the state of education today, maybe kids aren't learning history, so they may not call you out, but if you said this shit at a party I was at, I would fucking mock you to no end. The complexities are not infinite, and your timeline/rationale is wrong.
German's left destitute by newly formed UN as payback for WWI--->They look for hope and better days---> a man comes and promises these things (secretly psychotic and paranoid)--->Nazi's come to power---> People buy into this rhetoric (they don't know Jews are already being killed)--->It becomes obvious after several years that exterminations are going on, the population turns a blind eye--->Nationalism (remember this part) and the fear of little else makes population follow enmass>>>Millions die, in ovens, on beaches, in cities, etc. You should have put Hitler was a Monster at the start. Idiot. Seriously, get fucking educated or don't talk about it.
The Treaty of Versailles was a big part of it, but not all of it. It put financial stress on the country.
"" Article 231 of the Treaty (the 'war guilt' clause) held Germany solely responsible for all 'loss and damage' suffered by the Allies during the war and provided the basis for reparations. The total sum due was decided by an Inter-Allied Reparations Commission and was set at £6.6 Billion, about $32 billion. This would have taken Germany till 1984 to pay."
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
So, Hitler made the connection that the Treaty was destroying the country. On top of that he blamed it on the Jews because of Usury which originated with the Jews. The Rothschilds (Jews) controlled the European monetary systems and still do today.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
The Treaty of Versailles was a big part of it, but not all of it. It put financial stress on the country.
"" Article 231 of the Treaty (the 'war guilt' clause) held Germany solely responsible for all 'loss and damage' suffered by the Allies during the war and provided the basis for reparations. The total sum due was decided by an Inter-Allied Reparations Commission and was set at £6.6 Billion, about $32 billion. This would have taken Germany till 1984 to pay."
No shit, really!? That was part of the 'Germany was destitute' line. Tell you what, instead of reading part of what happened, go to wikipedia, get the whole story, then come back.
No shit, really!? That was part of the 'Germany was destitute' line. Tell you what, instead of reading part of what happened, go to wikipedia, get the whole story, then come back.
So, you admit that the Treaty of Versailles came before Hitler?
Great, now maybe you will remember this part
France wanted revenge, Britain wanted a relatively strong, economically viable Germany as a counterweight to French dominance on Continental Europe, and the U.S. wanted the creation of a permanent peace as quickly as possible, with financial compensation for its military expenditures and the destruction of the old empires.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I think anti-jewish sentiment was prevalent in Germany long before the nazis right?
Not that I know of. The arabs disliked Usury and incorporated into the Sharia Law that Usury be banned. This system of Usury allowed individuals to easy amass great wealth. It was kind of a Jewish secret of sorts. So, it could have happened that non-Jewish Germans (because many Germans were Jews) noticed that their Jewish counter-parts were better off. That may have given rise to some discontent.
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Does that clear things up?
Not at all. The Germans were destroyed, left in a power vacuum, and had little hope. Hitler capitalized on this to gain support for his agenda. He then used this to whip up a religious fervor and get people to essentially turn a blind eye to the 'downside' of his policies.
We are not destroyed, we didn't have power vaccuum, and we had plenty of hope. The German's were 'coerced' long before Nationalism came into play. They turned to something evil because they had nothing else. Sound familiar. Now go pour yourself a nice warm cup of shut the fuck up.
That's part of the story. From speaking with German citizens who have told me that they no longer sing a whole portion of their Anthem "deutschland über alles" ("Germany above all") as an example. Also the German flag is not raised to the degree that it is raised in the U.S. or as it were prior to and during World War 2.
They don't sing it because they are ashamed of what that lyric connotes. It doesn't explain the situation that was being discussed. And the flags not being waved...is this seriously the retort/rationale you are going to hang your hat on? Jesus.
A lot of the power vacuum you refer to was financial. Hitler was after the Rothschilds, the international bankers that sprawled (and still do today) Europe.
They happened to be a Jewish family.
Here is an actual video made public by the Nazis explaining why the Rothschilds control Europe's monetary system and how Judaism relates to Usury. If I recall correctly.
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=866698994176100608&q=rothschilds
Well, that is their cross to bear because the fact is, their immediate relatives did acquiesce to that monster. My concern would be if they didn't feel shame. That period, and that man, must never be forgotten--it represents the worst case scenario of dictatorship and abuse of power.
You wouldn't think that if you were Hitler.
Hitler had a good aim at driving the Rothschilds out along with the other usurers. He just had a monstrous method of achieving that goal, he also contracted Syphilis and was addicted to Methamphetamine. He believed that God spoke to him and told him to "take over the world".
-- Hermann Göring (Nazi Party)
It isn't so much "dragging them along" as it is preying on their weakness. The weakness of the populice is the LIE, the BIG FAT LIE.
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The weakness of what populus?
The American?
"Mission Accomplished"
"Iraq War"
"WMDs"
"Chemical Weapons"
Need I go on?
What the fuck?? You're right, I wouldn't think that if I was Hitler. I would be thinking that there are evil Jewish people out to get me, that I was the right hand of god, that it is my destiny to control the world, and that the best way to govern is throwing 6 million of my own countrymen into ovens.
And what the fuck with the Rothchilds and the word 'userer'? Fucking idiot.
You like that word "Fuck" don't you?
I can't blame you, it's a good word. Though I would encourage more cautious use of the word "idiot".
I'm not going to give you a complete history of Usury and the Rothschilds and how that relates to Judaism. I'll let you read up on it yourself. There is a lot of information to absorb.
Dude, first you are an idiot. Usury and the Rothchilds and their relation to Judaism, doesn't even fucking matter. Unless those two parties were 1) molesting children enmass, or 2) Secretly planning to kill humanity, there is no excuses for putting 6 million people in ovens. Hell, even if they were, you CANNOT KILL PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THEIR BELIEFS. Let alone 6,000,000 people. If you think otherwise, you are a blight on humanity, and you are a shit human being...and an idiot.
I'm pretty sure it was proven. The controversy is if he had Neurosyphilis which affects the nervous system, including the brain. He may or may not have had it.
I'm pretty sure he was psychotic and delusional prior to the syphilis.
All of it matters if you care to understand the events leading up to WW2. It matters to the motivation behind the Nazis. It wasn't just Hitler running the country.
You are assuming that there was linear causality.
E.g.
German's were stressed -> Nazism
Hitler was a monster -> Death of Jews.
I can assure you the complexity is infinite.
That may be, it's even harder to prove that.
It's more like how the U.S. drove the Bankers out under Pres. Andrew Jackson. Unfortunately he only won the battle, and the Federal Reserve was created later on from the Bank of America.
Honestly, you shouldn't talk about this to anyone until you know what the fuck you are talking about. You will look like a fucking idiot. Now, given the state of education today, maybe kids aren't learning history, so they may not call you out, but if you said this shit at a party I was at, I would fucking mock you to no end. The complexities are not infinite, and your timeline/rationale is wrong.
German's left destitute by newly formed UN as payback for WWI--->They look for hope and better days---> a man comes and promises these things (secretly psychotic and paranoid)--->Nazi's come to power---> People buy into this rhetoric (they don't know Jews are already being killed)--->It becomes obvious after several years that exterminations are going on, the population turns a blind eye--->Nationalism (remember this part) and the fear of little else makes population follow enmass>>>Millions die, in ovens, on beaches, in cities, etc. You should have put Hitler was a Monster at the start. Idiot. Seriously, get fucking educated or don't talk about it.
The Treaty of Versailles was a big part of it, but not all of it. It put financial stress on the country.
"" Article 231 of the Treaty (the 'war guilt' clause) held Germany solely responsible for all 'loss and damage' suffered by the Allies during the war and provided the basis for reparations. The total sum due was decided by an Inter-Allied Reparations Commission and was set at £6.6 Billion, about $32 billion. This would have taken Germany till 1984 to pay."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_versailles
No shit, really!? That was part of the 'Germany was destitute' line. Tell you what, instead of reading part of what happened, go to wikipedia, get the whole story, then come back.
So, you admit that the Treaty of Versailles came before Hitler?
Great, now maybe you will remember this part
France wanted revenge, Britain wanted a relatively strong, economically viable Germany as a counterweight to French dominance on Continental Europe, and the U.S. wanted the creation of a permanent peace as quickly as possible, with financial compensation for its military expenditures and the destruction of the old empires.
Not that I know of. The arabs disliked Usury and incorporated into the Sharia Law that Usury be banned. This system of Usury allowed individuals to easy amass great wealth. It was kind of a Jewish secret of sorts. So, it could have happened that non-Jewish Germans (because many Germans were Jews) noticed that their Jewish counter-parts were better off. That may have given rise to some discontent.