Whereas I believe that the problems begin at home, and that the gross social injustices there are visiting us here.
I also believe that the lack of "yin" in their social consciousness is trying hard to visit us here too.
Anyone remember that swore to sweep Israel into the sea when it was declared independent and prompltly tried their ineffective best to do just that. I do believe that much of teh present conflict still dates from that. Enilisting sympathy in those circumstances is a bit rich.
Sure, a bunch of wealthy Jews in the US lobbied hard to make the US help Israel.
You're entitled to believe what you like. It doesn't change the fact that America, too, is responsible for her actions, and the consequences of those actions. That aspect cannot be effectively minimized.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
You're entitled to believe what you like. It doesn't change the fact that America, too, is responsible for her actions, and the consequences of those actions. That aspect cannot be effectively minimized.
It's not just America's actions here that have caused this though. I'm not excusing them, just not accepting they are soloely to blame.
The thread starts with a spew of rage and anger, and the implication that all of these problems were brought by outside forces.
I'm just suggesting that maybe it's not that unilateral.
Somewhere, sometime, teh actions of rage and anger need to be replaced wiht something else.
This has happened in Northern Ireland, and peace seems to be happening there now. That solution came from within, not from without.
The thread starts with a spew of rage and anger, and the implication that all of these problems were brought by outside forces.
From the perspective of the "character" in the original post, these problems were dramatically catalyzed by the inhuman killing of their family by outside forces--specifically American choices.
You may be trying to be objective, and a few of us are supporting the idea of the very real and very valid subjective views that do exist as in this hypothetical one. I stand behind supporting this view, especially when so many are looking objectively, and tuning out such a voice.
Somewhere, sometime, teh actions of rage and anger need to be replaced wiht something else.
This has happened in Northern Ireland, and peace seems to be happening there now. That solution came from within, not from without.
If you know anything about healing from a subjective point of view, rage and anger begin to dissipate when the raging person is heard and validated. Rationalizing why their subjective position is not valid actually perpetuates the problem.
If you are suggesting that this hypothetical potential suicide bomber just "cope" and ignore their deep personal wounds, you are not suggesting resolution and health for the individual in question. Therefore this type of guidance is not helpful for the subjective perspective. Although I've no doubt such a view serves some agenda.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
If you know anything about healing from a subjective point of view, rage and anger begin to dissipate when the raging person is heard and validated. Rationalizing why their subjective position is not valid actually perpetuates the problem.
If you are suggesting that this hypothetical potential suicide bomber just "cope" and ignore their deep personal wounds, you are not suggesting resolution and health for the individual in question. Therefore this type of guidance is not helpful for the subjective perspective. Although I've no doubt such a view serves some agenda.
So, the healing would need to come from within "his" society, form a nurturing component, which is a "yin" characteristic, and that is noticably lacking. The attitudes toward females and their position in tehose societies, prevents boys and men from getting solace and comfort, and from receiving guidance which may enable their healing.
I did not suggest that people just "cope", nor am I trivialising their hurt, but I am suggesting that further violence is not helpful.
As a general principal, I find that getting away from "right vs wrong" and focussing on "helpfulvs unhelpful" is a much more constructive way to start to resolve conflict.
It is much easier to see what is helpful or unhelpful, than it is to define right and wrong. Too much of this ongoing conflict is about right and wrong, which just promotes argument.
If peeps thought about helpful vs unhelpful more, things would start to calm down a bit.
For example, I think we would agree that bombing Iran is going to be unhelpful, yes ???
So, the healing would need to come from within "his" society, form a nurturing component, which is a "yin" characteristic, and that is noticably lacking. The attitudes toward females and their position in tehose societies, prevents boys and men from getting solace and comfort, and from receiving guidance which may enable their healing.
I did not suggest that people just "cope", nor am I trivialising their hurt, but I am suggesting that further violence is not helpful.
Right back to your agenda, lucy! Which is fine, however it's not addressing the hypothetical situation "at hand". Therefore it sure sounds like "minimizing" of the subjective view is taking place.
Think about this: in the scenario suggested, Americans are still responsible for the "collateral damange" they have caused and continue to cause. This is an issue which needs to be addressed in order to create change. Another thing with healing....one cannot move on when the assaults are still happening. To suggest that people ignore the assaults that are occuring, imo, is a distorted view and comes from a logical place that has no ground in reality. It goes against all that is known about human nature. We cannot move on in our lives if our base safety and survival needs are not being met.
Therefore a culture cannot evolve. When one defends, one reverts back to previous developmental stages.
As a general principal, I find that getting away from "right vs wrong" and focussing on "helpfulvs unhelpful" is a much more constructive way to start to resolve conflict.
Great! We have common ground!
It is much easier to see what is helpful or unhelpful, than it is to define right and wrong. Too much of this ongoing conflict is about right and wrong, which just promotes argument.
If peeps thought about helpful vs unhelpful more, things would start to calm down a bit.
For example, I think we would agree that bombing Iran is going to be unhelpful, yes ???
Yes, I agree, that bombing is not helpful! Do you agree that suggesting someone heal and or move on when the variables for healing and moving on are not in place, thereby showing lack of understanding of the subjective situation is not helpful?
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
"During the last thirty years, psychological laboratories, aided by physiology, through oft-repeated experiments conducted with newly-invented weighing and measuring instruments of marvelous accuracy, have put us in possession of an array of facts unknown to students of earlier periods, who sought the "why and the how" of man's erratic actions as a social animal. It is constantly being demonstrated that under given conditions, moved by appropriate stimuli, the human animal inevitably and surely reacts the same as does inorganic matter. If we understand "intelligence" to be the "capacity to respond to new conditions," we can measurably see and at least partly understand the constant inter-play of heredity and environment. Between these there is no antagonism. The sum of life experiences consists solely in the adjustments required to enable the sentient organism—man or beast—to live. "
- Crime: It's cause and it's treatment (Clarence Darrow; 1922)
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Yes, I agree, that bombing is not helpful! Do you agree that suggesting someone heal and or move on when the variables for healing and moving on are not in place, thereby showing lack of understanding of the subjective situation is not helpful?
Yes, but who puts these into place ??
It's up to teh countries concenred to do this, adn it's not just America.
Who killed the Lebanese PM, who was doing so much reconstruction ?? Syria, supposedly. Thus regressing that country, allowing Hezbollah back in, prompting the Israli invasion last year whioch was also clearly"unhelpful", and teh cycle of vioelnce continues without US help.
Yes, but who puts these into place ??
It's up to teh countries concenred to do this, adn it's not just America.
Who killed the Lebanese PM, who was doing so much reconstruction ?? Syria, supposedly. Thus regressing that country, allowing Hezbollah back in, prompting the Israli invasion last year whioch was also clearly"unhelpful", and teh cycle of vioelnce continues without US help.
This is where you and I are coming from different places. You naturally look objectively to problem solve.
My strengths are in understanding subjective experiences and situations. It looks like Specifics also looks at the subjective view. My concern, and the seeming purpose of this thread is to address the subjective stuff. That's where my focus lies. When people are interested in talking about the hypothetical human being in question, and addressing their valid concerns, I'm all ears, and "there".
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
This is where you and I are coming from different places. You naturally look objectively to problem solve.
My strengths are in understanding subjective experiences and situations. It looks like Specifics also looks at the subjective view. My concern, and the seeming purpose of this thread is to address the subjective stuff. That's where my focus lies. When people are interested in talking about the hypothetical human being in question, and addressing their valid concerns, I'm all ears, and "there".
That's true, I do tend to look at core issues and "problem solve".
Get that right, and the subjective stuff goes away by itself.
Some of this has to do wiht my age. I frequently identify that I more closely shared a lot of views on this board when I was younger, ie more the age of a lot of the posters. SAs I have grown older, my positions on lots of thigs have changed.
Which is not to say that I am right , and they are wrong, just recognising the phenomenon. I was much more a socialist and an angry young man, now I am a capitalist and more pragmatic, but with the same objectives.
Make the whole country wealthy, and there will be less poverty.
Prosperity breeds peace from within, envy and war from without !! Damn shame about that !!
"During the last thirty years, psychological laboratories, aided by physiology, through oft-repeated experiments conducted with newly-invented weighing and measuring instruments of marvelous accuracy, have put us in possession of an array of facts unknown to students of earlier periods, who sought the "why and the how" of man's erratic actions as a social animal. It is constantly being demonstrated that under given conditions, moved by appropriate stimuli, the human animal inevitably and surely reacts the same as does inorganic matter. If we understand "intelligence" to be the "capacity to respond to new conditions," we can measurably see and at least partly understand the constant inter-play of heredity and environment. Between these there is no antagonism. The sum of life experiences consists solely in the adjustments required to enable the sentient organism—man or beast—to live. "
- Crime: It's cause and it's treatment (Clarence Darrow; 1922)
Very nice, Ahnimus. I love it when we see eye to eye on these issues that many cannot fathom.
I recommend giving that book a read at the link I provided. It's really good!
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
"During the last thirty years, psychological laboratories, aided by physiology, through oft-repeated experiments conducted with newly-invented weighing and measuring instruments of marvelous accuracy, have put us in possession of an array of facts unknown to students of earlier periods, who sought the "why and the how" of man's erratic actions as a social animal. It is constantly being demonstrated that under given conditions, moved by appropriate stimuli, the human animal inevitably and surely reacts the same as does inorganic matter. If we understand "intelligence" to be the "capacity to respond to new conditions," we can measurably see and at least partly understand the constant inter-play of heredity and environment. Between these there is no antagonism. The sum of life experiences consists solely in the adjustments required to enable the sentient organism—man or beast—to live. "
- Crime: It's cause and it's treatment (Clarence Darrow; 1922)
That's true, I do tend to look at core issues and "problem solve".
Get that right, and the subjective stuff goes away by itself.
Some of this has to do wiht my age. I frequently identify that I more closely shared a lot of views on this board when I was younger, ie more the age of a lot of the posters. SAs I have grown older, my positions on lots of thigs have changed.
Which is not to say that I am right , and they are wrong, just recognising the phenomenon. I was much more a socialist and an angry young man, now I am a capitalist and more pragmatic, but with the same objectives.
Make the whole country wealthy, and there will be less poverty.
Prosperity breeds peace from within, envy and war from without !! Damn shame about that !!
This is all good and fine, and still, the issue at hand remains unsolved and by some people who are reading this thread, still not understood in terms of the subjective perspective.
It's pretty clear to me that when independent variables are misunderstood in the objective overview, the objective perspective becomes biased and distorted. Hence any problem solving stemming from that is also faulty.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I read the title of the book. which leads to a question for you. trust me, i'm just curious, i'm not pickin a fight with you.
how do you feel criminals should be punished?
I have no idea if you discuss this a lot or not. I dont follow your threads. there just arent enough hours in a day to pick through it all
I prefer treatment. Not punishment.
I think we should learn about criminals and provide proper support to help them function in society.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
and what are you examples of treatment? is this treatment forced upon a criminal?
I think a lot of criminals would take a chemical-jail over a physical-jail if it was offered. But, the first step is to understand the criminal. The criminal is not an alien from outer-space. The criminal is a human being. We must ask ourselves how a human being can commit crime. A human being will commit crime under certain genetic and environmental circumstances. Poverty is a major cause of crime. We must ask ourselves what we can do about poverty. Neurodiversity and social pressure can cause some undesirable human side-effects as well, that really depends on public awareness of neurology. All of crime is caused by either society or genetics. I'd rather focuses on eliminating causes of crime, rather then eliminating criminals. But for existing criminals it would be beneficial to use some kind of transcranial magnetic hyperstimulation of dead areas in the brains of criminals. Another method could be to help them create positive associations in their brains through a neural training program. Psychology and sometimes pharmacology can help criminals as well. For the unwilling, give them a stone room. Until we decide that it is right to force treatment sometimes. It has to be handled very carefully though, no Bushes in office.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Well, I was going to ask you which part was so incorrect as to make it stupid.
I believe the obscene polarization of wealth, and the lack of civil rights and the oppression of women not just physically and emotionally, but also of the balancing "yin", and the general poverty in the Arab countries has a MASSIVE role to play in the ongoing violence etc.
I do believe retaliation from both sides is abhorrent.
Your initial post was quite a JUSTIFICATION in itself. I was trying to look at understanding, rather than justification.
Without understanding, there will be no progress.
Sadly i think you're a long way from understanding anything if you just look at the side of the story thats not your coloured peoples fault. Especially when the bit that might get them killed is the bit that is 100% down to them.
Mine was a justification, a retribution in fact that i would have no trouble in enacting were it me, and i have no trouble accepting as a very human response.
Yours was a valid view of life for an average joe in Iraq, which i then wasn't sure whether you were using as a justification for blowing the shit out of them and controlling their oil.
I think maybe i was right in the first place.
One question, why in your opinion do many muslims hate America? actually two, why do i and many other non-muslims have very similar feelings?
Edit: i found the answer to the questions in one of your other response actually, you are now old enough to see that a countrys' wealth and prosperity makes other countries wage war on them. Absolute bullshit. I actually found a good context for this saying i heard:
if wisdom comes with age then why are all old people not walking around with the big smiles.
It's not just America's actions here that have caused this though. I'm not excusing them, just not accepting they are soloely to blame.
The thread starts with a spew of rage and anger, and the implication that all of these problems were brought by outside forces.
I'm just suggesting that maybe it's not that unilateral.
Somewhere, sometime, teh actions of rage and anger need to be replaced wiht something else.
This has happened in Northern Ireland, and peace seems to be happening there now. That solution came from within, not from without.
So as soon as Iraqis peacefully accept that they are now 3rd rate americans then it's all good? That is definitely one solution for sure. It definitely wouldnt be mine.
While his post was valid, it was only part of it. Your original post is also valid and a very crucial part of it.
We all know they aren't all sitting around focussing their hatred and terrorism on Australia, also a free country and a bunch of practising "heathens", too. There is a clear-cut reason the United States is a focus.
Yeah im with you angelica, my apology was because i jumped in when i wasn't really sure where the poster was coming from. I have a clearer view now.
The crazy thing is we don't all know that, there are a lot who fall a long way short of defeating that anthem that is playing behind their eyes all day long. as Fucking sad and pathetic as that is.
The problem with your scenario is that you won't be able to kill the person who launched the missile or ordered the missile to be launched. You are only left with the ability to seek revenge on anyone You think comes close to those responsible regardless, of who else gets hurt or killed. The hate that consumes a person with no reason left to live creates a person willing to die for revenge. One act of revenge, turns into another act of retaliation and so on and so on, til how it began is lost in the fact that there's no end. The enemy has now become neighbor against neighbor as you and your once fellow citizens lay death at each others door steps because vengeful hate kills anyone in its path.
I never said it was a means that was going to bring the end of atrocity. I'm saying if i had to choose a more noble human emotion between revenge of my family or killing for blind, greedy, self important patriotism, then its the former.
My opinion is neither right or wrong and my actions are predetermined anyways and I should be treated not punished and I am just the same as everyone and everything else on this planet, so why the sarcasm?
My opinion is neither right or wrong and my actions are predetermined anyways and I should be treated not punished and I am just the same as everyone and everything else on this planet, so why the sarcasm?
I find you genuinely boring. It's not sarcasm!
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I am just as boring as you are. We are no different. We must not judge. EVER! There is no difference between Mother Theresa and a suicide bomber. They are EXACTLY the same. Again, we must not judge.
I am just as boring as you are. We are no different. We must not judge. EVER! There is no difference between Mother Theresa and a suicide bomber. They are EXACTLY the same. Again, we must not judge.
Oh, we all judge. It's human nature. The problem comes in when we don't recognize that our judgements are about US and independent of the other person. Judge away!
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I am just as boring as you are. We are no different. We must not judge. EVER! There is no difference between Mother Theresa and a suicide bomber. They are EXACTLY the same. Again, we must not judge.
What are you 69? a soldier? a good lover? a deep-thinker? have you ever said anything genuine in your life? anything you haven't heard from someone else? what is it beyond pure freedom of speech that makes what you say worth more than fuck all?
So you can just about verbalise the fact that you think its tough to say you hate oppression and suicide bombers, what are you ever going do about it? shoot tin-cans in your back garden and gob off on an internet forum?
ye ye "back at ya buddy!" we went through that one in another thread.
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It's not just America's actions here that have caused this though. I'm not excusing them, just not accepting they are soloely to blame.
The thread starts with a spew of rage and anger, and the implication that all of these problems were brought by outside forces.
I'm just suggesting that maybe it's not that unilateral.
Somewhere, sometime, teh actions of rage and anger need to be replaced wiht something else.
This has happened in Northern Ireland, and peace seems to be happening there now. That solution came from within, not from without.
You may be trying to be objective, and a few of us are supporting the idea of the very real and very valid subjective views that do exist as in this hypothetical one. I stand behind supporting this view, especially when so many are looking objectively, and tuning out such a voice.
If you know anything about healing from a subjective point of view, rage and anger begin to dissipate when the raging person is heard and validated. Rationalizing why their subjective position is not valid actually perpetuates the problem.
If you are suggesting that this hypothetical potential suicide bomber just "cope" and ignore their deep personal wounds, you are not suggesting resolution and health for the individual in question. Therefore this type of guidance is not helpful for the subjective perspective. Although I've no doubt such a view serves some agenda.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
So, the healing would need to come from within "his" society, form a nurturing component, which is a "yin" characteristic, and that is noticably lacking. The attitudes toward females and their position in tehose societies, prevents boys and men from getting solace and comfort, and from receiving guidance which may enable their healing.
I did not suggest that people just "cope", nor am I trivialising their hurt, but I am suggesting that further violence is not helpful.
As a general principal, I find that getting away from "right vs wrong" and focussing on "helpfulvs unhelpful" is a much more constructive way to start to resolve conflict.
It is much easier to see what is helpful or unhelpful, than it is to define right and wrong. Too much of this ongoing conflict is about right and wrong, which just promotes argument.
If peeps thought about helpful vs unhelpful more, things would start to calm down a bit.
For example, I think we would agree that bombing Iran is going to be unhelpful, yes ???
Think about this: in the scenario suggested, Americans are still responsible for the "collateral damange" they have caused and continue to cause. This is an issue which needs to be addressed in order to create change. Another thing with healing....one cannot move on when the assaults are still happening. To suggest that people ignore the assaults that are occuring, imo, is a distorted view and comes from a logical place that has no ground in reality. It goes against all that is known about human nature. We cannot move on in our lives if our base safety and survival needs are not being met.
Therefore a culture cannot evolve. When one defends, one reverts back to previous developmental stages.
Great! We have common ground!
Yes, I agree, that bombing is not helpful! Do you agree that suggesting someone heal and or move on when the variables for healing and moving on are not in place, thereby showing lack of understanding of the subjective situation is not helpful?
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
- Crime: It's cause and it's treatment (Clarence Darrow; 1922)
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/12027/12027-h/12027-h.htm
Yes, but who puts these into place ??
It's up to teh countries concenred to do this, adn it's not just America.
Who killed the Lebanese PM, who was doing so much reconstruction ?? Syria, supposedly. Thus regressing that country, allowing Hezbollah back in, prompting the Israli invasion last year whioch was also clearly"unhelpful", and teh cycle of vioelnce continues without US help.
My strengths are in understanding subjective experiences and situations. It looks like Specifics also looks at the subjective view. My concern, and the seeming purpose of this thread is to address the subjective stuff. That's where my focus lies. When people are interested in talking about the hypothetical human being in question, and addressing their valid concerns, I'm all ears, and "there".
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
That's true, I do tend to look at core issues and "problem solve".
Get that right, and the subjective stuff goes away by itself.
Some of this has to do wiht my age. I frequently identify that I more closely shared a lot of views on this board when I was younger, ie more the age of a lot of the posters. SAs I have grown older, my positions on lots of thigs have changed.
Which is not to say that I am right , and they are wrong, just recognising the phenomenon. I was much more a socialist and an angry young man, now I am a capitalist and more pragmatic, but with the same objectives.
Make the whole country wealthy, and there will be less poverty.
Prosperity breeds peace from within, envy and war from without !! Damn shame about that !!
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I read the title of the book. which leads to a question for you. trust me, i'm just curious, i'm not pickin a fight with you.
how do you feel criminals should be punished?
I have no idea if you discuss this a lot or not. I dont follow your threads. there just arent enough hours in a day to pick through it all
It's pretty clear to me that when independent variables are misunderstood in the objective overview, the objective perspective becomes biased and distorted. Hence any problem solving stemming from that is also faulty.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I prefer treatment. Not punishment.
I think we should learn about criminals and provide proper support to help them function in society.
and what are you examples of treatment? is this treatment forced upon a criminal?
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over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I think a lot of criminals would take a chemical-jail over a physical-jail if it was offered. But, the first step is to understand the criminal. The criminal is not an alien from outer-space. The criminal is a human being. We must ask ourselves how a human being can commit crime. A human being will commit crime under certain genetic and environmental circumstances. Poverty is a major cause of crime. We must ask ourselves what we can do about poverty. Neurodiversity and social pressure can cause some undesirable human side-effects as well, that really depends on public awareness of neurology. All of crime is caused by either society or genetics. I'd rather focuses on eliminating causes of crime, rather then eliminating criminals. But for existing criminals it would be beneficial to use some kind of transcranial magnetic hyperstimulation of dead areas in the brains of criminals. Another method could be to help them create positive associations in their brains through a neural training program. Psychology and sometimes pharmacology can help criminals as well. For the unwilling, give them a stone room. Until we decide that it is right to force treatment sometimes. It has to be handled very carefully though, no Bushes in office.
Sadly i think you're a long way from understanding anything if you just look at the side of the story thats not your coloured peoples fault. Especially when the bit that might get them killed is the bit that is 100% down to them.
Mine was a justification, a retribution in fact that i would have no trouble in enacting were it me, and i have no trouble accepting as a very human response.
Yours was a valid view of life for an average joe in Iraq, which i then wasn't sure whether you were using as a justification for blowing the shit out of them and controlling their oil.
I think maybe i was right in the first place.
One question, why in your opinion do many muslims hate America? actually two, why do i and many other non-muslims have very similar feelings?
Edit: i found the answer to the questions in one of your other response actually, you are now old enough to see that a countrys' wealth and prosperity makes other countries wage war on them. Absolute bullshit. I actually found a good context for this saying i heard:
if wisdom comes with age then why are all old people not walking around with the big smiles.
So as soon as Iraqis peacefully accept that they are now 3rd rate americans then it's all good? That is definitely one solution for sure. It definitely wouldnt be mine.
Yeah im with you angelica, my apology was because i jumped in when i wasn't really sure where the poster was coming from. I have a clearer view now.
The crazy thing is we don't all know that, there are a lot who fall a long way short of defeating that anthem that is playing behind their eyes all day long. as Fucking sad and pathetic as that is.
I never said it was a means that was going to bring the end of atrocity. I'm saying if i had to choose a more noble human emotion between revenge of my family or killing for blind, greedy, self important patriotism, then its the former.
Yeah i can be, can you?
Then consider me 'insanely racist'!
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
My opinion is neither right or wrong and my actions are predetermined anyways and I should be treated not punished and I am just the same as everyone and everything else on this planet, so why the sarcasm?
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
I am just as boring as you are. We are no different. We must not judge. EVER! There is no difference between Mother Theresa and a suicide bomber. They are EXACTLY the same. Again, we must not judge.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
What are you 69? a soldier? a good lover? a deep-thinker? have you ever said anything genuine in your life? anything you haven't heard from someone else? what is it beyond pure freedom of speech that makes what you say worth more than fuck all?
So you can just about verbalise the fact that you think its tough to say you hate oppression and suicide bombers, what are you ever going do about it? shoot tin-cans in your back garden and gob off on an internet forum?
ye ye "back at ya buddy!" we went through that one in another thread.
I think you know where im going with this.