I'm a suicide bomber...

Specifics

Let's imagine i live in a country somewhere, someone decides they dont like my government, cool i dont like 'em either, fuck it, good luck.

BOOM, fucking SLAM, missile, "accidently" wipes out my family, my wife, my kids, mum, dad, brothers, sisters, some of them, all of them, whatever you like its a story for you as much as me. In the middle of an innocent market square. WTF. Thats upset me a little. In fact, that has completely ruined my day.

But you know whats pissing me off even more? if thats possible.
the person who perpetrated this "accident" shows no remorse! not only is there no apology, there's attempted blustering JUSTIFICATIONS, they try to RATIONALIZE this!! They tell the WORLD its for MY OWN GOOD! fuck that!

I'm a suicide bomber, you don't like that? fuck you, go eat your Mcdonalds.

angelica

Specifics wrote:

Let's imagine i live in a country somewhere, someone decides they dont like my government, cool i dont like 'em either, fuck it, good luck.

BOOM, fucking SLAM, missile, "accidently" wipes out my family, my wife, my kids, mum, dad, brothers, sisters, some of them, all of them, whatever you like its a story for you as much as me. In the middle of an innocent market square. WTF. Thats upset me a little. In fact, that has completely ruined my day.

But you know whats pissing me off even more? if thats possible.
the person who perpetrated this "accident" shows no remorse! not only is there no apology, there's attempted blustering JUSTIFICATIONS, they try to RATIONALIZE this!! They tell the WORLD its for MY OWN GOOD! fuck that!

I'm a suicide bomber, you don't like that? fuck you, go eat your Mcdonalds.

I can empathize, for sure.

jlew24asu

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MLC2006

you assume that all these suicide bombers lived through such a tragedy, and that is a wrong assumption. some of them have, some have not. the common thread amongst them all is that they are brainwashed by religious extremists, just like abortion clinic bombers are brainwashed by religious extremists.

Abookamongstthemany

jlew24asu wrote:

I wish you would shut the fuck up already and go join their cause.

It's naive to think people here in our country would react much different given those circumstances. These people are the same as you and me.

MLC2006

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

These people are the same as you and me.

except that we live in 2007 and most of them still live in 1007.

mammasan

While I don't condone the act of blowing yourself up in a crowded place, in the process taking out innocent civilians, it is to be expected when we carelessly take out an entire family for the sake of killing a small handfull of terrorists. That is why using brute military force against terrorism will never work. We may kill the targets we are after but the collateral damage creates new ones for us to fight against.

Abookamongstthemany

MLC2006 wrote:

except that we live in 2007 and most of them still live in 1007.

They've acheived time travel already? Wow! I'm impressed!

Specifics

jlew24asu wrote:

I wish you would shut the fuck up already and go join their cause.

you finished your mcdonalds already?

angelica

MLC2006 wrote:

you assume that all these suicide bombers lived through such a tragedy, and that is a wrong assumption. some of them have, some have not. the common thread amongst them all is that they are brainwashed by religious extremists, just like abortion clinic bombers are brainwashed by religious extremists.

Like the Manson followers who Charles Manson brainwashed, all it takes is a justifiable and pre-existing disgust and hatred towards the society you would like to see your brainwashees act against.

jlew24asu

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

It's naive to think people here in our country would react much different given those circumstances. These people are the same as you and me.

no thats not true at all. they are not the same as you and me. they live in a completely different mindset as us. many middle east countries have seen nothing but war but decades. in some cases the entire lives of people.

Specifics

MLC2006 wrote:

the common thread amongst them all is that they are brainwashed by religious extremists.

I was talking about the muslims, i thought americans just used long range missiles?

jlew24asu

Specifics wrote:

you finished your mcdonalds already?

nah I dont eat that shit. find your home made bomb making sites yet on google?

Abookamongstthemany

jlew24asu wrote:

no thats not true at all. they are not the same as you and me. they live in a completely different mindset as us. many middle east countries have seen nothing but war but decades. in some cases the entire lives of people.

They are like us in many ways, then. Do you think more war is going to clear this problem up?

jlew24asu

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

They are like us in many ways, then. Do you think more war is going to clear this problem up?

fuck no I dont.

Specifics

jlew24asu wrote:

nah I dont eat that shit. find your home made bomb making sites yet on google?

You are one humourless person, thats pretty funny in itself.

What you have no chance of comprehending, is that i dont need to join sides. I have no need or wish to stand and shout in the shadow of the bigger boys.

Abookamongstthemany

jlew24asu wrote:

fuck no I dont.

well fuck yeah, I agree.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

I think purely from a human emotion perspective we are all a lot more alike (identical) than many are willing to believe... Exactly the same actually.

To think otherwise is insanely racist...

angelica

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I think purely from a human emotion perspective we are all a lot more alike (identical) than many are willing to believe... Exactly the same actually.

To think otherwise is insanely racist...

I agree.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

angelica wrote:

I agree.

I thing having your house and entire family blown to pieces, then having to pick up all the chunks of everyone/everything afterwards (and a bunch of your neighbors who get the same deal as well... and most of whom you probably grew up with and have known your entire life).

then you toss in a years of that same situation going on all around you everyday.

...that would tend to do something to most/all people upstairs in a serious way... religion be damned.

It wouldn't be pretty.

angelica

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I thing having your house and entire family blown to pieces, then having to pick up all the chunks afterwards (and a bunch of your neighbors who get the same deal as well... and most of which you probably grew up with and have known your entire life).

then you toss in a years of that same situation going on all around you everyday.

...that would tend to do something to most/all people upstairs in a serious way... religion be damned.

It wouldn't be pretty.

Undoubtedly. Trying to make it be about religious brainwashing doesn't work for me--it's really only a vehicle for the behaviours, not the cause.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

angelica wrote:

Undoubtedly. Trying to make it be about religious brainwashing doesn't work for me--it's really only a vehicle for the behaviours, not the cause.

I've been in a few outdoor survival scenarios where many of lifes comforts, controls, and basic feelings of security are taken away.

When uncertainty and discomfort sets in, it's the ones that pretend they have it all together (and think they are above, more advanced, or better than everyone else) who usually end up losing it first. At least from my observation.

It seems to me pretty much a cast the first stone scenario.

Were better people because we have Ipods....yeah...right...

*shakes head*

angelica

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I've been in a few outdoor survival scenarios where many of lifes comforts, controls, and basic feelings of security are taken away.

When uncertainty and discomfort sets in, it's the ones that pretend they have it all together (and think they are above, more advanced, or better than everyone else) who usually end up losing it first. At least from my observation.

It seems to me pretty much a cast the first stone scenario.

Were better people because we have Ipods....yeah...right...

*shakes head*

Oh man, I'm not sure about my ability to cope in outdoor suvival scenarios. But our western world ego, and our ideas that we are so superior is scary. No, it's not that they don't like our lifestyle, it's that they see how horrific such a lack of conscience, compassion and remorse is as we float far above them in superiority and condescension.

The crazy thing about our egos--we need our "Ipods" and other gadgets so that we can believe the self-delusion we feed ourselves--the one that allows us to feel god-like and thereby beyond death even (get a load of us hiding death, too, reinforcing this delusion). And we miss out on "being". We're so out of touch with our reality and truth, it's disconcerting, frankly.

Bu2

One need only look at Russia in the turn of the last century. The revolution took the lives of not only Rasputin (who probably deserved it) and Nicolas and Alexandra, but their 5 children as well -- the eldest, Olga, barely into her 20's, the youngest, the hemophiliac prince Alexei, only 14.

To the revolutionists, these deaths were deserved.

Extremists exist long enough to get talked into doing extreme things. And then they go out into the street and do something extreme, killing themselves in the process, and then they die.

They hope that someone else will feel strongly enough to do something just as extreme. But they don't live long enough to know for sure whether their cause was the right one.

My hope is that people will turn to alternative means of making their point.

But if they can't, my hope is that they will take out the fewest amount of innocent bystanders as possible.

See, this is why I don't run for POTUS.

Peace don't always work, much as I'd like it to.

angelica

Something tells me if the roles were reversed, and we suffered mayhem, war and chaos regularly, many of us on this board, myself included, would be extremists of some sort or another. Many of us are definitely on the fringes of human nature, and see things the majority does not see.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

angelica wrote:

Oh man, I'm not sure about my ability to cope in outdoor suvival scenarios. But our western world ego, and our ideas that we are so superior is scary. No, it's not that they don't like our lifestyle, it's that they see how horrific such a lack of conscience, compassion and remorse is as we float far above them in superiority and condescension.

The crazy thing about our egos--we need our "Ipods" and other gadgets so that we can believe the self-delusion we feed ourselves--the one that allows us to feel god-like and thereby beyond death even (get a load of us hiding death, too, reinforcing this delusion). And we miss out on "being". We're so out of touch with our reality and truth, it's disconcerting, frankly.

I agree. Some of the poorest people I've met are also some of the happiest (and nicest) people I've ever met. Is it innocence?...maybe just simplicity? perhaps both. When I interact with them It makes me feel a bit like my life is somewhat superficial in comparison. It's almost like they are genuine...and I am fake.

Why do we need all this extra junk to make us happy? What's the point? Why do we work our entire lives away just to own more stuff? We work for ourselves and for our families but somehow I think we seem to lose a lot of both in the process.

Bu2

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I agree. Some of the poorest people I've met are also some of the happiest (and nicest) people I've ever met. Is it innocence?...maybe just simplicity? perhaps both. When I interact with them It makes me feel a bit like my life is somewhat superficial in comparison. It's almost like they are genuine...and I am fake.

Why do we need all this extra junk to make us happy? What's the point? Why do we work our entire lives away just to own more stuff? We work for ourselves and for our families but somehow I think we seem to lose a lot of both in the process.

Keeping up with the Joneses. It's what the government seems to think we do.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

POTUS is BOGUS!

jeffbr

angelica wrote:

But our western world ego, and our ideas that we are so superior is scary. No, it's not that they don't like our lifestyle, it's that they see how horrific such a lack of conscience, compassion and remorse is as we float far above them in superiority and condescension.

What the hell? I don't buy into the "they hate us because of our freedom" BS, but this is just a different flavor of that same BS. They hate us because we aren't compassionate like they are? They hate us because we don't have a concience like they do? Please.

angelica

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I agree. Some of the poorest people I've met are also some of the happiest (and nicest) people I've ever met. Is it innocence?...maybe just simplicity? perhaps both. When I interact with them It makes me feel a bit like my life is somewhat superficial in comparison. It's almost like they are genuine...and I am fake.

Why do we need all this extra junk to make us happy? What's the point? Why do we work our entire lives away just to own more stuff? We work for ourselves and for our families but somehow I think we seem to lose a lot of both in the process.

I think you've hit on it here, because you are aware and being honest about how you feel somewhat superficial compared to poor people and the simplicity/innocence. We seek illusory contentment in outer things in order to lose track of that of the inner lack of peace/innocence. It's alarming to the ego to see someone who has that peace, and for the ego to be reminded of it's own unceasing search in the externals, looking to feed the deep abyss of the inner void. We don't recognize we cannot feed the inner void with surface-outer solutions.

It's some fundamental psychology, and it's close to the universal base human condition in the western world. People try to disguise it and hide it. They look at the social masks of others and think others have solved this dilemma. And really, others, behind the masks and the busyness of "doing" and searching, feel the same void. Granted, they're so busy rustling around to fill it that they distract themselves for a time. What's the point in distracting ourselves and continuing the cycles though?

angelica

jeffbr wrote:

What the hell? I don't buy into the "they hate us because of our freedom" BS, but this is just a different flavor of that same BS. They hate us because we aren't compassionate like they are? They hate us because we don't have a concience like they do? Please.

I call them like I see them.