What the hell? I don't buy into the "they hate us because of our freedom" BS, but this is just a different flavor of that same BS. They hate us because we aren't compassionate like they are? They hate us because we don't have a concience like they do? Please.
And I didn't at any point say or intimate that they have a conscience while we don't.
When we overlook the horror, and show no remorse or compassion and continue on with our agendas no matter what pain we cause, we indicate our own lack of conscience, which is not the same as highlighting them having a superior conscience. What I'm saying is about us, totally.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
And I didn't at any point say or intimate that they have a conscience while we don't.
I apparently misunderstood your point, then. Usually when one negatively judges someone for lack of something, that person believes they possess a greater amount of that something. It is not typical to judge someone negatively for lack of something you believe you also lack. Sorry if I misunderstood.
When we overlook the horror, and show no remorse or compassion and continue on with our agendas no matter what pain we cause, we indicate our own lack of conscience, which is not the same as highlighting them having a superior conscience. What I'm saying is about us, totally.
Gotcha. I agree with this. I just didn't get how "they" could judge our lack of virtue (and hate us for it) without believing they were in possession of a superior amount of the same virtue.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
I think you've hit on it here, because you are aware and being honest about how you feel somewhat superficial compared to poor people and the simplicity/innocence. We seek illusory contentment in outer things in order to lose track of that of the inner lack of peace/innocence. It's alarming to the ego to see someone who has that peace, and for the ego to be reminded of it's own unceasing search in the externals, looking to feed the deep abyss of the inner void. We don't recognize we cannot feed the inner void with surface-outer solutions.
It's some fundamental psychology, and it's close to the universal base human condition in the western world. People try to disguise it and hide it. They look at the social masks of others and think others have solved this dilemma. And really, others, behind the masks and the busyness of "doing" and searching, feel the same void. Granted, they're so busy rustling around to fill it that they distract themselves for a time. What's the point in distracting ourselves and continuing the cycles though?
Yeah...that's definitely how I'm beginning to see it. I hate to say it but shopping for odds and ends and browsing at Home Depot or Canadian Tire or for various articles of clothing makes me feel really content when I'm feeling not so good (yeah I'm every woman's boyfriend shopping dream guy I guess eh?).
It's some kind of broken mentality...I'm pretty sure of it. People (consumers) associate the need to constantly acquire new things to feel better. I feel quite alarmed and saddened at the thought of not buying new stuff in the near future (aside from food) when I already have all that I could possibly need right now. I don't know what the condition is but it's real....it's definitely an affliction.
I don't think Islamists hate Americans...they hate the American Gov't. It would be obvious to assume that they think the US gov't epresents the ideology of the American people. Just the same that Americans think most or all Iranians are in the same mindset as their Gov't Ahmahdinejad (did I spell that right? it was purely from memory) hehe....
I just don't think the Middle East is society of evil people as many Americans are apt and conned to believe. Some commit evil acts...but so do some Americans. America is also quite free of any form of oppression and life threatening conflict as well mind you.
This is why the higher than thou mentality just falls completely flat for me.
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Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I apparently misunderstood your point, then. Usually when one negatively judges someone for lack of something, that person believes they possess a greater amount of that something. It is not typical to judge someone negatively for lack of something you believe you also lack. Sorry if I misunderstood.
Thanks, jeff--no apology is necessary.
Gotcha. I agree with this. I just didn't get how "they" could judge our lack of virtue (and hate us for it) without believing they were in possession of a superior amount of the same virtue.
I was considering someone more battered down. I've been very battered down myself, and treated purely inhumanely by others throughout my mental illness journey. I was constantly stunned by the arrogance and condescension of people. I was personally so fundamentally scarred, as I would imagine people in horror situations in life to also be, that I did not have the energy to see myself as "better" or even so much as okay. I did vow, however, that I would heal, and find myself some power so that I could change things. And I vowed I would not do the same myself to others when I achieved that power. These are very similar to revenge fantasies, only they are of the "best revenge is living well" type. And ironically, healing demanded that I transmute the anger and hatred to something that transcended it. So I transcended revenge altogether. I do know that I have been very fortunate with the supports I have had, and the assistance of social programs, and a home over my head, and the help of many good professionals for myself and my children, not to mention some very strong healthy influences in my early childhood. I can only imagine had I not been so fortunate and had I not been enabled to heal, my revenge fantasies might have taken on a much more ominous tone.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Holy crap I just checked on google.... I did get it right. Cool...that was straight up no cheating. I musta been a spelling bee champ in another life...
can't call me an Iranian ignoramus...hehe
I think I'll add to me resume... "can spell Ahmadinejad"
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Yeah...that's definitely how I'm beginning to see it. I hate to say it but shopping for odds and ends and browsing at Home Depot or Canadian Tire or for various articles of clothing makes me feel really content when I'm feeling not so good (yeah I'm every woman's boyfriend shopping dream guy I guess eh?).
No, not really ....my boyfriend is a left-handed intuitive male who loves shopping, and the thing is I don't like shopping at all. He wants to meander around and look at everything, while I just want to get things done.
It's some kind of broken mentality...I'm pretty sure of it. People (consumers) associate the need to constantly acquire new things to feel better. I feel quite alarmed and saddened at the thought of not buying new stuff in the near future (aside from food) when I already have all that I could possibly need right now. I don't know what the condition is but it's real....it's definitely an affliction.
Welcome to the other 98% of us with some "affliction" or another...
I don't think Islamists hate Americans...they hate the American Gov't. It would be obvious to assume that they think the US gov't epresents the ideology of the American people. Just the same that Americans think most or all Iranians are in the same mindset as their Gov't Ahmahdinejad (did I spell that right? it was purely from memory) hehe....
I just don't think the Middle East is society of evil people as many Americans are apt and conned to believe. Some commit evil acts...but so do some Americans. America is also quite free of any form of oppression and life threatening conflict as well mind you.
This is why the higher than thou mentality just falls completely flat for me.
We've all got our good and bad points. I totally agree about the holier than thou thing--it's a total illusion between us/them. We've got some worldview differences between us as well, which causes some or much inability to at all grasp the validity of the other side's perspective, unfortunately.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Let's imagine i live in a country somewhere, someone decides they dont like my government, cool i dont like 'em either, fuck it, good luck.
BOOM, fucking SLAM, missile, "accidently" wipes out my family, my wife, my kids, mum, dad, brothers, sisters, some of them, all of them, whatever you like its a story for you as much as me. In the middle of an innocent market square. WTF. Thats upset me a little. In fact, that has completely ruined my day.
But you know whats pissing me off even more? if thats possible.
the person who perpetrated this "accident" shows no remorse! not only is there no apology, there's attempted blustering JUSTIFICATIONS, they try to RATIONALIZE this!! They tell the WORLD its for MY OWN GOOD! fuck that!
I'm a suicide bomber, you don't like that? fuck you, go eat your Mcdonalds.
And I have nothing else because all teh wwealth in my country is owned by a few individuals who squander it obscenely. My ancestorrs have all been as poor as me, and I have no hope of improving my situation in life because my society structure prohibits it.
My leaders care littel for their people, I have no mechanism for changing my country becasue it is governed by a hereditar autocracy. You are either born to wealth or not. FUrther, there are numerous politiical groups who capitalise on my grief and lack of opportunity and are willing to sacrifice my life to further their political cause.
I am unable to express my anger about this in my society, because there is no freedom of speech, and any atempt to criticse my government is criminal behaviour , and punished as such.
So, I direct my hate against teh "haves" in teh West, because I have not. Tihs is allowed, encouraged, in fact. I may well kill more of my own countrymen with my suicide bomb or through the inevitable retaliation, and create further hatered and resentment but that is OK, cos Allah said , so there !!
^^^... that definitely helps complete the picture... nice.
Is it better to live in the Americas v.s.....? Definitely in this regard. Balance dammit we need more balance.
A CEO buddy of mine was telling me about Dubai the other day and how their laws work. Basically the shaw just says do it...and it's done.
Demolish those houses put in a road... done....no questions.
Definitely different. you can only stomp on the human psyche so much before it snaps....or goes boom.
Now how do we get more of our societal system to become affluent without murdering them all?
where's the happy medium?....Ghandi...are you still out there? heh
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
No, not really ....my boyfriend is a left-handed intuitive male who loves shopping, and the thing is I don't like shopping at all. He wants to meander around and look at everything, while I just want to get things done.
Welcome to the other 98% of us with some "affliction" or another...
We've all got our good and bad points. I totally agree about the holier than thou thing--it's a total illusion between us/them. We've got some worldview differences between us as well, which causes some or much inability to at all grasp the validity of the other side's perspective, unfortunately.
I've always greatly appreciated a woman who just wants to get right to it...
I do get the "freedom" thing though. aside from all our idiosyncrasies we do have it much better, and I believe our system is better. To blow a little republican horn...( uh...that didn't sound right) But how impartial am I living in the west?
Islam is a pretty extreme philosophy. I can;t imagine having religion rammed down my throat to the point I could be jailed or something equally as outlandish. this is where I get on the Bush bandwagon as far as helping free up their society a little more. How does one reason societal structure with these Imam's? I don't know how many hundreds of years it would take outside of military force.
What a lousy thing to have our planet split in half over religious beliefs...ugh...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I've always greatly appreciated a woman who just wants to get right to it...
Of course, that's only with the left-handed intuitive types. It's all that insightful external exploration of possibilities and resourcefulness "they" are so known for.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Of course, that's only with the left-handed intuitive types. It's all that insightful external exploration of possibilities and resourcefulness "they" are so known for.
Yes left handed intuitiveness can be absolutely incredible...so I'm told again and again.
....I have the marks to prove it
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
And I have nothing else because all teh wwealth in my country is owned by a few individuals who squander it obscenely. My ancestorrs have all been as poor as me, and I have no hope of improving my situation in life because my society structure prohibits it.
My leaders care littel for their people, I have no mechanism for changing my country becasue it is governed by a hereditar autocracy. You are either born to wealth or not. FUrther, there are numerous politiical groups who capitalise on my grief and lack of opportunity and are willing to sacrifice my life to further their political cause.
I am unable to express my anger about this in my society, because there is no freedom of speech, and any atempt to criticse my government is criminal behaviour , and punished as such.
So, I direct my hate against teh "haves" in teh West, because I have not. Tihs is allowed, encouraged, in fact. I may well kill more of my own countrymen with my suicide bomb or through the inevitable retaliation, and create further hatered and resentment but that is OK, cos Allah said , so there !!
See the following for most, see stupidity for the rest:
But you know whats pissing me off even more? if thats possible.
the person who perpetrated this "accident" shows no remorse! not only is there no apology, there's attempted blustering JUSTIFICATIONS, they try to RATIONALIZE this!! They tell the WORLD its for MY OWN GOOD! fuck that!
I'm a suicide bomber, you don't like that? fuck you, go eat your Mcdonalds.
Like the Manson followers who Charles Manson brainwashed, all it takes is a justifiable and pre-existing disgust and hatred towards the society you would like to see your brainwashees act against.
It's a popular myth that Charles Manson 'brainwashed' his 'followers'.
:eek: In itself, it is not an extreme philosophy - at least no more than catholicism. In all religions there are fundementalists... this is the side of Islam that is shown to us - day in, day out. The suicide bombers, the women covered from head to toe, being arrested if a bit of hair is shown, etc. The media will never show the true and peaceful side of islam.. the majority of people of this faith. If you want to look at other 'extremes', look no further than the christian religions as they were, and still are in certain countries, and what christians have also done in the name of religion.
:eek: In itself, it is not an extreme philosophy - at least no more than catholicism. In all religions there are fundementalists... this is the side of Islam that is shown to us - day in, day out. The suicide bombers, the women covered from head to toe, being arrested if a bit of hair is shown, etc. The media will never show the true and peaceful side of islam.. the majority of people of this faith. If you want to look at other 'extremes', look no further than the christian religions as they were, and still are in certain countries, and what christians have also done in the name of religion.
Let's not generalise any faith...
I agree. And Oprah, as the war was brewing, deliberately featured Iraqi people, for example, and the lifestyle of women there, from their perspective, in order to get us to be more realistic about our perceptions of what we do not understand. When we look at others through our own perspective, yes, it's easy to feel sorry for them, and expect or demand change. However, it's not that simple.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
:eek: In itself, it is not an extreme philosophy - at least no more than catholicism. In all religions there are fundementalists... this is the side of Islam that is shown to us - day in, day out. The suicide bombers, the women covered from head to toe, being arrested if a bit of hair is shown, etc. The media will never show the true and peaceful side of islam.. the majority of people of this faith. If you want to look at other 'extremes', look no further than the christian religions as they were, and still are in certain countries, and what christians have also done in the name of religion.
Let's not generalise any faith...
I don't remember reading anywhere in the New testament about literally fighting holy wars...maybe you could enlighten me...
so yeah it's a little more hardcore...
what-chou talking bout Willis?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I think purely from a human emotion perspective we are all a lot more alike (identical) than many are willing to believe... Exactly the same actually.
To think otherwise is insanely racist...
Maybe so just from the view that we are the same species of animal, but that is as far as it goes....
Although they are a minority, let's just say one percent of the faith, many Muslims follow a Sharia code that calls for homosexuals to killed or women who are deamed "unchaste" to be stoned to death. I can pull some videos up on YouTube if you need me to.
Anyways, they are not even fucking close to being the same as me. It's niave for you to think that somebody that screams Allah Akbar as somebodies head gets chopped of in a public square...
Maybe so just from the view that we are the same species of animal, but that is as far as it goes....
Although they are a minority, let's just say one percent of the faith, many Muslims follow a Sharia code that calls for homosexuals to killed or women who are deamed "unchaste" to be stoned to death. I can pull some videos up on YouTube if you need me to.
Anyways, they are not even fucking close to being the same as me. It's niave for you to think that somebody that screams Allah Akbar as somebodies head gets chopped of in a public square...
Trade "muslim" with "Christian extremist" and the story is the same. I guess it is more humane to inject poison into someone's veins to put them to death?? Texas is more like the Middle East than I thought.....
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
See the following for most, see stupidity for the rest:
This was harsh and stupid from me i think, apologies lucy, the post WAS valid, just stunk a little of the sort of attempted justification that makes me sick.
Trade "muslim" with "Christian extremist" and the story is the same. I guess it is more humane to inject poison into someone's veins to put them to death?? Texas is more like the Middle East than I thought.....
Thank you. Very nice.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
This was harsh and stupid from me i think, apologies lucy, the post WAS valid, just stunk a little of the sort of attempted justification that makes me sick.
While his post was valid, it was only part of it. Your original post is also valid and a very crucial part of it.
We all know they aren't all sitting around focussing their hatred and terrorism on Australia, also a free country and a bunch of practising "heathens", too. There is a clear-cut reason the United States is a focus.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Let's imagine i live in a country somewhere, someone decides they dont like my government, cool i dont like 'em either, fuck it, good luck.
BOOM, fucking SLAM, missile, "accidently" wipes out my family, my wife, my kids, mum, dad, brothers, sisters, some of them, all of them, whatever you like its a story for you as much as me. In the middle of an innocent market square. WTF. Thats upset me a little. In fact, that has completely ruined my day.
But you know whats pissing me off even more? if thats possible.
the person who perpetrated this "accident" shows no remorse! not only is there no apology, there's attempted blustering JUSTIFICATIONS, they try to RATIONALIZE this!! They tell the WORLD its for MY OWN GOOD! fuck that!
I'm a suicide bomber, you don't like that? fuck you, go eat your Mcdonalds.
This was harsh and stupid from me i think, apologies lucy, the post WAS valid, just stunk a little of the sort of attempted justification that makes me sick.
Well, I was going to ask you which part was so incorrect as to make it stupid.
I believe the obscene polarization of wealth, and the lack of civil rights and the oppression of women not just physically and emotionally, but also of the balancing "yin", and the general poverty in the Arab countries has a MASSIVE role to play in the ongoing violence etc.
I do believe retaliation from both sides is abhorrent.
Your initial post was quite a JUSTIFICATION in itself. I was trying to look at understanding, rather than justification.
Without understanding, there will be no progress.
Well, I was going to ask you which part was so incorrect as to make it stupid.
I believe the obscene polarization of wealth, and the lack of civil rights and the oppression of women not just physically and emotionally, but also of the balancing "yin", and the general poverty in the Arab countries has a MASSIVE role to play in the ongoing violence etc.
I do believe retaliation from both sides is abhorrent.
Your initial post was quite a JUSTIFICATION in itself. I was trying to look at understanding, rather than justification.
Without understanding, there will be no progress.
I think we all understand that suicide bombers are responsible for what they do, based on being themselves, with their history, culture and circumstances, being factors in their destructive and uncalled for choices and the resulting responsibility.
I believe what threads like this are about is reminding the other side (Americans) of THEIR actions and what kinds of effects they have. Especially considering that poor behaviour is being justified by America a lot. I believe Specifics was fair in portraying this point.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Let's imagine i live in a country somewhere, someone decides they dont like my government, cool i dont like 'em either, fuck it, good luck.
BOOM, fucking SLAM, missile, "accidently" wipes out my family, my wife, my kids, mum, dad, brothers, sisters, some of them, all of them, whatever you like its a story for you as much as me. In the middle of an innocent market square. WTF. Thats upset me a little. In fact, that has completely ruined my day.
But you know whats pissing me off even more? if thats possible.
the person who perpetrated this "accident" shows no remorse! not only is there no apology, there's attempted blustering JUSTIFICATIONS, they try to RATIONALIZE this!! They tell the WORLD its for MY OWN GOOD! fuck that!
I'm a suicide bomber, you don't like that? fuck you, go eat your Mcdonalds.
So then you go blow up more innocent people. Fuck you.
Let's imagine i live in a country somewhere, someone decides they dont like my government, cool i dont like 'em either, fuck it, good luck.
BOOM, fucking SLAM, missile, "accidently" wipes out my family, my wife, my kids, mum, dad, brothers, sisters, some of them, all of them, whatever you like its a story for you as much as me. In the middle of an innocent market square. WTF. Thats upset me a little. In fact, that has completely ruined my day.
But you know whats pissing me off even more? if thats possible.
the person who perpetrated this "accident" shows no remorse! not only is there no apology, there's attempted blustering JUSTIFICATIONS, they try to RATIONALIZE this!! They tell the WORLD its for MY OWN GOOD! fuck that!
I'm a suicide bomber, you don't like that? fuck you, go eat your Mcdonalds.
The problem with your scenario is that you won't be able to kill the person who launched the missile or ordered the missile to be launched. You are only left with the ability to seek revenge on anyone You think comes close to those responsible regardless, of who else gets hurt or killed. The hate that consumes a person with no reason left to live creates a person willing to die for revenge. One act of revenge, turns into another act of retaliation and so on and so on, til how it began is lost in the fact that there's no end. The enemy has now become neighbor against neighbor as you and your once fellow citizens lay death at each others door steps because vengeful hate kills anyone in its path.
SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
I think we all understand that suicide bombers are responsible for what they do, based on being themselves, with their history, culture and circumstances, being factors in their destructive and uncalled for choices and the resulting responsibility.
I believe what threads like this are about is reminding the other side (Americans) of THEIR actions and what kinds of effects they have. Especially considering that poor behaviour is being justified by America a lot. I believe Specifics was fair in portraying this point.
Whereas I believe that the problems begin at home, and that the gross social injustices there are visiting us here.
I also believe that the lack of "yin" in their social consciousness is trying hard to visit us here too.
Anyone remember that swore to sweep Israel into the sea when it was declared independent and prompltly tried their ineffective best to do just that. I do believe that much of teh present conflict still dates from that. Enilisting sympathy in those circumstances is a bit rich.
Sure, a bunch of wealthy Jews in the US lobbied hard to make the US help Israel.
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When we overlook the horror, and show no remorse or compassion and continue on with our agendas no matter what pain we cause, we indicate our own lack of conscience, which is not the same as highlighting them having a superior conscience. What I'm saying is about us, totally.
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I apparently misunderstood your point, then. Usually when one negatively judges someone for lack of something, that person believes they possess a greater amount of that something. It is not typical to judge someone negatively for lack of something you believe you also lack. Sorry if I misunderstood.
Gotcha. I agree with this. I just didn't get how "they" could judge our lack of virtue (and hate us for it) without believing they were in possession of a superior amount of the same virtue.
Yeah...that's definitely how I'm beginning to see it. I hate to say it but shopping for odds and ends and browsing at Home Depot or Canadian Tire or for various articles of clothing makes me feel really content when I'm feeling not so good (yeah I'm every woman's boyfriend shopping dream guy I guess eh?).
It's some kind of broken mentality...I'm pretty sure of it. People (consumers) associate the need to constantly acquire new things to feel better. I feel quite alarmed and saddened at the thought of not buying new stuff in the near future (aside from food) when I already have all that I could possibly need right now. I don't know what the condition is but it's real....it's definitely an affliction.
I don't think Islamists hate Americans...they hate the American Gov't. It would be obvious to assume that they think the US gov't epresents the ideology of the American people. Just the same that Americans think most or all Iranians are in the same mindset as their Gov't Ahmahdinejad (did I spell that right? it was purely from memory) hehe....
I just don't think the Middle East is society of evil people as many Americans are apt and conned to believe. Some commit evil acts...but so do some Americans. America is also quite free of any form of oppression and life threatening conflict as well mind you.
This is why the higher than thou mentality just falls completely flat for me.
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I was considering someone more battered down. I've been very battered down myself, and treated purely inhumanely by others throughout my mental illness journey. I was constantly stunned by the arrogance and condescension of people. I was personally so fundamentally scarred, as I would imagine people in horror situations in life to also be, that I did not have the energy to see myself as "better" or even so much as okay. I did vow, however, that I would heal, and find myself some power so that I could change things. And I vowed I would not do the same myself to others when I achieved that power. These are very similar to revenge fantasies, only they are of the "best revenge is living well" type. And ironically, healing demanded that I transmute the anger and hatred to something that transcended it. So I transcended revenge altogether. I do know that I have been very fortunate with the supports I have had, and the assistance of social programs, and a home over my head, and the help of many good professionals for myself and my children, not to mention some very strong healthy influences in my early childhood. I can only imagine had I not been so fortunate and had I not been enabled to heal, my revenge fantasies might have taken on a much more ominous tone.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Holy crap I just checked on google.... I did get it right. Cool...that was straight up no cheating. I musta been a spelling bee champ in another life...
can't call me an Iranian ignoramus...hehe
I think I'll add to me resume... "can spell Ahmadinejad"
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Welcome to the other 98% of us with some "affliction" or another...
We've all got our good and bad points. I totally agree about the holier than thou thing--it's a total illusion between us/them. We've got some worldview differences between us as well, which causes some or much inability to at all grasp the validity of the other side's perspective, unfortunately.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
And I have nothing else because all teh wwealth in my country is owned by a few individuals who squander it obscenely. My ancestorrs have all been as poor as me, and I have no hope of improving my situation in life because my society structure prohibits it.
My leaders care littel for their people, I have no mechanism for changing my country becasue it is governed by a hereditar autocracy. You are either born to wealth or not. FUrther, there are numerous politiical groups who capitalise on my grief and lack of opportunity and are willing to sacrifice my life to further their political cause.
I am unable to express my anger about this in my society, because there is no freedom of speech, and any atempt to criticse my government is criminal behaviour , and punished as such.
So, I direct my hate against teh "haves" in teh West, because I have not. Tihs is allowed, encouraged, in fact. I may well kill more of my own countrymen with my suicide bomb or through the inevitable retaliation, and create further hatered and resentment but that is OK, cos Allah said , so there !!
Is it better to live in the Americas v.s.....? Definitely in this regard. Balance dammit we need more balance.
A CEO buddy of mine was telling me about Dubai the other day and how their laws work. Basically the shaw just says do it...and it's done.
Demolish those houses put in a road... done....no questions.
Definitely different. you can only stomp on the human psyche so much before it snaps....or goes boom.
Now how do we get more of our societal system to become affluent without murdering them all?
where's the happy medium?....Ghandi...are you still out there? heh
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
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I've always greatly appreciated a woman who just wants to get right to it...
I do get the "freedom" thing though. aside from all our idiosyncrasies we do have it much better, and I believe our system is better. To blow a little republican horn...( uh...that didn't sound right) But how impartial am I living in the west?
Islam is a pretty extreme philosophy. I can;t imagine having religion rammed down my throat to the point I could be jailed or something equally as outlandish. this is where I get on the Bush bandwagon as far as helping free up their society a little more. How does one reason societal structure with these Imam's? I don't know how many hundreds of years it would take outside of military force.
What a lousy thing to have our planet split in half over religious beliefs...ugh...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Yes left handed intuitiveness can be absolutely incredible...so I'm told again and again.
....I have the marks to prove it
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See the following for most, see stupidity for the rest:
It's a popular myth that Charles Manson 'brainwashed' his 'followers'.
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Let's not generalise any faith...
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I don't remember reading anywhere in the New testament about literally fighting holy wars...maybe you could enlighten me...
so yeah it's a little more hardcore...
what-chou talking bout Willis?
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Maybe so just from the view that we are the same species of animal, but that is as far as it goes....
Although they are a minority, let's just say one percent of the faith, many Muslims follow a Sharia code that calls for homosexuals to killed or women who are deamed "unchaste" to be stoned to death. I can pull some videos up on YouTube if you need me to.
Anyways, they are not even fucking close to being the same as me. It's niave for you to think that somebody that screams Allah Akbar as somebodies head gets chopped of in a public square...
Trade "muslim" with "Christian extremist" and the story is the same. I guess it is more humane to inject poison into someone's veins to put them to death?? Texas is more like the Middle East than I thought.....
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This was harsh and stupid from me i think, apologies lucy, the post WAS valid, just stunk a little of the sort of attempted justification that makes me sick.
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We all know they aren't all sitting around focussing their hatred and terrorism on Australia, also a free country and a bunch of practising "heathens", too. There is a clear-cut reason the United States is a focus.
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You fuckin jerk
Well, I was going to ask you which part was so incorrect as to make it stupid.
I believe the obscene polarization of wealth, and the lack of civil rights and the oppression of women not just physically and emotionally, but also of the balancing "yin", and the general poverty in the Arab countries has a MASSIVE role to play in the ongoing violence etc.
I do believe retaliation from both sides is abhorrent.
Your initial post was quite a JUSTIFICATION in itself. I was trying to look at understanding, rather than justification.
Without understanding, there will be no progress.
I believe what threads like this are about is reminding the other side (Americans) of THEIR actions and what kinds of effects they have. Especially considering that poor behaviour is being justified by America a lot. I believe Specifics was fair in portraying this point.
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So then you go blow up more innocent people. Fuck you.
The problem with your scenario is that you won't be able to kill the person who launched the missile or ordered the missile to be launched. You are only left with the ability to seek revenge on anyone You think comes close to those responsible regardless, of who else gets hurt or killed. The hate that consumes a person with no reason left to live creates a person willing to die for revenge. One act of revenge, turns into another act of retaliation and so on and so on, til how it began is lost in the fact that there's no end. The enemy has now become neighbor against neighbor as you and your once fellow citizens lay death at each others door steps because vengeful hate kills anyone in its path.
I think this is the first time I've agreed with you.
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Whereas I believe that the problems begin at home, and that the gross social injustices there are visiting us here.
I also believe that the lack of "yin" in their social consciousness is trying hard to visit us here too.
Anyone remember that swore to sweep Israel into the sea when it was declared independent and prompltly tried their ineffective best to do just that. I do believe that much of teh present conflict still dates from that. Enilisting sympathy in those circumstances is a bit rich.
Sure, a bunch of wealthy Jews in the US lobbied hard to make the US help Israel.