what gas efficient cars??? The Hybrids are only effective in city driving conditions, once you start driving highway speeds, you're using just the gas engine. And most people commute 30 to 45 minutes to work each way mostly on highways.
I really dont know much about the technology. maybe I assumed you can save (gas) money by using them.
Plus, why would someone trade their car in (presumeably at a loss due to gas prices) for a new car (new payment presumeably higher) for a technology which isn't fully implimented or available (E85) or yet proven??
its not going to cost someone more to trade in a SUV for a more fuel efficient car.
i do find it funny that i have an agenda against a company but you will so easily accept everything above face from them ...
why would exxon invest and develop technologies that will put them out of business?
"ExxonMobil is making record-breaking profits because of high-gas prices but refuses to invest that windfall in renewable energy to ease America's oil dependence. Read more."
i use my car as little as possible and when i buy gas - it's from Sunoco (SunCorp - here in Canada) ... it isn't perfect - but it's something ... also, here in Canada, Esso's (Exxon affiliate) consistently used to make the dirtiest gas (not sure on the most recent tests) ...
great, still not sure where you are getting all this dirty gas stuff.
Not trying to be a fact nitpicker, just want to make sure the folks know who's who in case that would influence your purchasing habits.
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The problem with boycotting a single gas station company is that almost all of them actually are owned by companies that have oil refining divisions. So for example if you boycott exxon gas stations, and exxons sales go down, exxon will just sell all of there surplus gas to other stations who will in turn have more business (since everyone is still driving).
why would exxon invest and develop technologies that will put them out of business?
"ExxonMobil is making record-breaking profits because of high-gas prices but refuses to invest that windfall in renewable energy to ease America's oil dependence. Read more."
because exxon is an energy company ... and you touch lightly on what motivates exxon ... they are milking every last cent for what it's worth - greed above everything else ...
in any case - feel free to support them as it is well within your rights - some of us will choose not to ...
great, still not sure where you are getting all this dirty gas stuff.
gas is refined from oil for use in your car ... when gas is burned in your car - all the impurities are let out into the atmosphere ... big one being sulphur ... the better you refine the gas - the less the impurities ... ESSO here has a history of not investing in refinery technologies to better clean the gas it sells ...
The problem with boycotting a single gas station company is that almost all of them actually are owned by companies that have oil refining divisions. So for example if you boycott exxon gas stations, and exxons sales go down, exxon will just sell all of there surplus gas to other stations who will in turn have more business (since everyone is still driving).
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because exxon is an energy company ... and you touch lightly on what motivates exxon ... they are milking every last cent for what it's worth - greed above everything else ...
in any case - feel free to support them as it is well within your rights - some of us will choose not to ...
how is any company on earth any different? or even most people? exxon only exists so it can provide gas to people who drive cars. so we should boycott them for it? I agree boycotting them is a good idea because of they oil spill and fine mess. but because they are greedy? or make alot of money? thats just ridiculous.
gas is refined from oil for use in your car ... when gas is burned in your car - all the impurities are let out into the atmosphere ... big one being sulphur ... the better you refine the gas - the less the impurities ... ESSO here has a history of not investing in refinery technologies to better clean the gas it sells ...
ok fine, dont try and prove anything. as long as you say it, it must be true.
shell is all hugo chavez right? in that case, several here will be happy to buy his gas.
Shell is not Jugo Chavez...thought you were in the buis??? Its "Royal Dutch Shell"....and they invest more in alternative energy than any of its rivals.
Shell is not Jugo Chavez...thought you were in the buis??? Its "Royal Dutch Shell"....and they invest more in alternative energy than any of its rivals.
im not in the oil business, im in the trading business. but yea, I forgot.
shell isn't great because of their continuing actions in africa where they are hiring mercenaries to threaten natives and exploiting tribal groups ...
anyways ... if people exercised their consumer power to force business to operate at least ethically - we could make a huge difference ...
Shell doesn't hire mercinaries...come on now...where do you get crap like this...yes they are in Nigeria and yes lots of their employees have been kidnapped by local militia's to extract $$$.
the courts agreed the fine was excessive and they have already paid over 3.4 billion in clean up costs. maybe you didnt know that
and you want to boycott them because they made huge profits? exxon doesnt set the price of oil, dont think you know this either.
My boycoting Ex has nothing to do with their huge profits it has to do with the Ex Valdez accident and how they handle the matter since. I haven't gas or anything else from Ex since. Again Reason enough for ya.
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My boycoting Ex has nothing to do with their huge profits it has to do with the Ex Valdez accident and how they handle the matter since. I haven't gas or anything else from Ex since. Again Reason enough for ya.
how is any company on earth any different? or even most people? exxon only exists so it can provide gas to people who drive cars. so we should boycott them for it? I agree boycotting them is a good idea because of they oil spill and fine mess. but because they are greedy? or make alot of money? thats just ridiculous.
do you really not get it? ... they spend money in order to purposefully mislead people about climate change ... they refuse to pay people who's lives they ruined ... they could easily make huge profits but do those things ... perspective - not everything is black and white ...
ok fine, dont try and prove anything. as long as you say it, it must be true.
go look it up yourself then ... it's just like everything else ... your opinion holds more weight when you've actually gone and done the readings yourself ...
Shell doesn't hire mercinaries...come on now...where do you get crap like this...yes they are in Nigeria and yes lots of their employees have been kidnapped by local militia's to extract $$$.
do you really not get it? ... they spend money in order to purposefully mislead people about climate change ... they refuse to pay people who's lives they ruined ... they could easily make huge profits but do those things ... perspective - not everything is black and white ...
yea I get it. they do things in their best interests. like almost all companies.
your opinion holds more weight when you've actually gone and done the readings yourself ...
but I'm not the one making claims with no proof. so actually, its your opinion that would hold more weight if you've actually provided some proof. dont you get it?
yea I get it. they do things in their best interests. like almost all companies.
not true ... originally, there were a few oil companies that joined forces to launch a PR war on climate change ... now, it's just exxon ... they aren't the focus of a greenpeace campaign for no reason ...
but I'm not the one making claims with no proof. so actually, its your opinion that would hold more weight if you've actually provided some proof. dont you get it?
well ... this information isn't necessarily readily available ... it's not like companies are gung-ho to advertise how clean their gas is ...
edit: my friend used to work in the industry and i was privy to some info but she doesn't work there anymore
We gave up our car over a year ago, so I have no idea.
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Gas Prices And The Ever Deepening Pockets Of The Elite
Do people on this board ever think about the fact that as the earth itself is depleted of oil, and prices logicaly rise to reflect this depetion, the entire world economy suffers, at the BENEFIT of the oil companies?
In light of this reality ... which truly is about something more than free markets and capitalism were ever meant to be concerned about -- this is a philosophical issue that has to become political --
... are the people of the world, when subject to the threat of resource extinction, expected to pay increasingly burdensome fees to a select few, simply because they are owners of the PRIVELAGE of purveying said resource?
IN OTHER WORDS:
Is it fair that "the oil man" will see his profits double, then quadruple, then multiply 100 fold in the coming years,
simply because he is feeding us our own ever depleting supply of oil as fast as he can?
I don't know.
I think the answer is no.
I think such a situation calls for something other than freemarket determinism, because it is such an extra-ordinary and PERILOUS circumstance.
Discuss.
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If I opened it now would you not understand?
Well for one, the prices go up because the companies have to pay more for it as well. But personally I almost think that loss of oil wouldnt be so bad at this point. But hey I may just be mis-informed, just my oppinion.
Well for one, the prices go up because the companies have to pay more for it as well. But personally I almost think that loss of oil wouldnt be so bad at this point. But hey I may just be mis-informed, just my oppinion.
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what do you mean by "the companies have to pay more for it" !?!
The relatively tiny little increase in extraction cost they pay?
Or are you saying "the government" (which one, exactly) slaps them with fees based on resource depletion?
If that is true, it's news to me.
Otherwise, i think they will be just fine with their "increased operating costs" ... hahahahahha ... they are raping us already.
sweet lord.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Gas Prices And The Ever Deepening Pockets Of The Elite
Do people on this board ever think about the fact that as the earth itself is depleted of oil, and prices logicaly rise to reflect this depetion, the entire world economy suffers, at the BENEFIT of the oil companies?
In light of this reality ... which truly is about something more than free markets and capitalism were ever meant to be concerned about -- this is a philosophical issue that has to become political --
... are the people of the world, when subject to the threat of resource extinction, expected to pay increasingly burdensome fees to a select few, simply because they are owners of the PRIVELAGE of purveying said resource?
IN OTHER WORDS:
Is it fair that "the oil man" will see his profits double, then quadruple, then multiply 100 fold in the coming years,
simply because he is feeding us our own ever depleting supply of oil as fast as he can?
I don't know.
I think the answer is no.
I think such a situation calls for something other than freemarket determinism, because it is such an extra-ordinary and PERILOUS circumstance.
Discuss.
I think the world's people, collectively, allow for such flights of fancy involving power over the earth. When tragedy befalls those of us, such as in war, we are troubled by the seriousness in which the "masters" have taken themselves and their place on this planet. Mostly it is like a sickness what we see. And like a high fever, we know one day it will pass.
I think the world's people, collectively, allow for such flights of fancy involving power over the earth. When tragedy befalls those of us, such as in war, we are troubled by the seriousness in which the "masters" have taken themselves and their place on this planet. Mostly it is like a sickness what we see. And like a high fever, we know one day it will pass.
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Gas Prices And The Ever Deepening Pockets Of The Elite
Do people on this board ever think about the fact that as the earth itself is depleted of oil, and prices logicaly rise to reflect this depetion, the entire world economy suffers, at the BENEFIT of the oil companies?
In light of this reality ... which truly is about something more than free markets and capitalism were ever meant to be concerned about -- this is a philosophical issue that has to become political --
... are the people of the world, when subject to the threat of resource extinction, expected to pay increasingly burdensome fees to a select few, simply because they are owners of the PRIVELAGE of purveying said resource?
IN OTHER WORDS:
Is it fair that "the oil man" will see his profits double, then quadruple, then multiply 100 fold in the coming years,
simply because he is feeding us our own ever depleting supply of oil as fast as he can?
I don't know.
I think the answer is no.
I think such a situation calls for something other than freemarket determinism, because it is such an extra-ordinary and PERILOUS circumstance.
Discuss.
If you understand how markets work you should be able to envision a few more logical conclusions as to what might really happen.
what do you mean by "the companies have to pay more for it" !?!
The relatively tiny little increase in extraction cost they pay?
Or are you saying "the government" (which one, exactly) slaps them with fees based on resource depletion?
If that is true, it's news to me.
Otherwise, i think they will be just fine with their "increased operating costs" ... hahahahahha ... they are raping us already.
sweet lord.
I think what the poster means by paying more for it, is that the easily accessible Jed Clampett bubblin’ crude oil deposits are becoming harder to find. This means that to get oil requires a lot more off shore platforms, or use of oil sands which cost a lot more to run than just pumping the oil out of the ground.
not true. i live way out in disturbia(sydney) and i dont have a car. i use public transport to get around.
I meant from an American city. Dont know about Australia. sorry. Here in my small city we have maybe 2 or three rickedy buses that shuttle people around in the metro area, but thats it.
In New Orleans if you lived in the downtown/french quarter/garden district area you could get around by trolley or taxi, but outside of that, public transportation is hard to come by.
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doubt it, but its nice that you care
o thats right, I think chavez is Citgo.
its not going to cost someone more to trade in a SUV for a more fuel efficient car.
"ExxonMobil is making record-breaking profits because of high-gas prices but refuses to invest that windfall in renewable energy to ease America's oil dependence. Read more."
great, still not sure where you are getting all this dirty gas stuff.
Citgo = Venezuela/Chavez http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citgo
Shell = Royal Dutch Shell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Dutch_Shell
Not trying to be a fact nitpicker, just want to make sure the folks know who's who in case that would influence your purchasing habits.
-The Duke
because exxon is an energy company ... and you touch lightly on what motivates exxon ... they are milking every last cent for what it's worth - greed above everything else ...
in any case - feel free to support them as it is well within your rights - some of us will choose not to ...
gas is refined from oil for use in your car ... when gas is burned in your car - all the impurities are let out into the atmosphere ... big one being sulphur ... the better you refine the gas - the less the impurities ... ESSO here has a history of not investing in refinery technologies to better clean the gas it sells ...
Exactly...
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ok fine, dont try and prove anything. as long as you say it, it must be true.
im not in the oil business, im in the trading business. but yea, I forgot.
My boycoting Ex has nothing to do with their huge profits it has to do with the Ex Valdez accident and how they handle the matter since. I haven't gas or anything else from Ex since. Again Reason enough for ya.
Peace
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.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
yea thats a perfectly fine reason.
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do you really not get it? ... they spend money in order to purposefully mislead people about climate change ... they refuse to pay people who's lives they ruined ... they could easily make huge profits but do those things ... perspective - not everything is black and white ...
go look it up yourself then ... it's just like everything else ... your opinion holds more weight when you've actually gone and done the readings yourself ...
http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/Africa/Nigeria.asp
but I'm not the one making claims with no proof. so actually, its your opinion that would hold more weight if you've actually provided some proof. dont you get it?
not true ... originally, there were a few oil companies that joined forces to launch a PR war on climate change ... now, it's just exxon ... they aren't the focus of a greenpeace campaign for no reason ...
well ... this information isn't necessarily readily available ... it's not like companies are gung-ho to advertise how clean their gas is ...
edit: my friend used to work in the industry and i was privy to some info but she doesn't work there anymore
We gave up our car over a year ago, so I have no idea.
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It's pushing $3.20 here.
I drive about 50 miles a month, so it doesn't concern me much.
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Do people on this board ever think about the fact that as the earth itself is depleted of oil, and prices logicaly rise to reflect this depetion, the entire world economy suffers, at the BENEFIT of the oil companies?
In light of this reality ... which truly is about something more than free markets and capitalism were ever meant to be concerned about -- this is a philosophical issue that has to become political --
... are the people of the world, when subject to the threat of resource extinction, expected to pay increasingly burdensome fees to a select few, simply because they are owners of the PRIVELAGE of purveying said resource?
IN OTHER WORDS:
Is it fair that "the oil man" will see his profits double, then quadruple, then multiply 100 fold in the coming years,
simply because he is feeding us our own ever depleting supply of oil as fast as he can?
I don't know.
I think the answer is no.
I think such a situation calls for something other than freemarket determinism, because it is such an extra-ordinary and PERILOUS circumstance.
Discuss.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
God Bless and Peace!
"Its a secret to everybody."
what do you mean by "the companies have to pay more for it" !?!
The relatively tiny little increase in extraction cost they pay?
Or are you saying "the government" (which one, exactly) slaps them with fees based on resource depletion?
If that is true, it's news to me.
Otherwise, i think they will be just fine with their "increased operating costs" ... hahahahahha ... they are raping us already.
sweet lord.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Buy hybrid or electric cars. Make a point. Take a stand.
I think the world's people, collectively, allow for such flights of fancy involving power over the earth. When tragedy befalls those of us, such as in war, we are troubled by the seriousness in which the "masters" have taken themselves and their place on this planet. Mostly it is like a sickness what we see. And like a high fever, we know one day it will pass.
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not true. i live way out in disturbia(sydney) and i dont have a car. i use public transport to get around.
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If you understand how markets work you should be able to envision a few more logical conclusions as to what might really happen.
I think what the poster means by paying more for it, is that the easily accessible Jed Clampett bubblin’ crude oil deposits are becoming harder to find. This means that to get oil requires a lot more off shore platforms, or use of oil sands which cost a lot more to run than just pumping the oil out of the ground.
I meant from an American city. Dont know about Australia. sorry. Here in my small city we have maybe 2 or three rickedy buses that shuttle people around in the metro area, but thats it.
In New Orleans if you lived in the downtown/french quarter/garden district area you could get around by trolley or taxi, but outside of that, public transportation is hard to come by.