Woohoo! Gas prices going up... way up!

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

So no Exxon or BPAmoco.

Is Shell all right? Are they the good gas station?

jlew24asu

MrSmith wrote:

So no Exxon or BPAmoco.

Is Shell all right? Are they the good gas station?

shell is all hugo chavez right? in that case, several here will be happy to buy his gas.

chromiam

$4 or $5 a gallon isn't going to stop people from driving.. yes it may limit how and how often people drive (vacations, leisurely drives) but most people will continue to commute to work which is the majority of gas consumption. Do you know why??? Because they have to...

if gas prices rise that much, public transportation cost will rise, transport of goods cost will rise, air fares will rise and the wages of workers and the distance which they travel to work will remain unchanged. We live in a commuter society and an increase in gas prices won't change that.

jlew24asu

chromiam wrote:

$4 or $5 a gallon isn't going to stop people from driving.. yes it may limit how and how often people drive (vacations, leisurely drives) but most people will continue to commute to work which is the majority of gas consumption. Do you know why??? Because they have to...

if gas prices rise that much, public transportation cost will rise, transport of goods cost will rise, air fares will rise and the wages of workers and the distance which they travel to work will remain unchanged. We live in a commuter society and an increase in gas prices won't change that.

it may force people to purchase gas efficient cars. at the very least, demand will rise for them.

SundaySilence

MrSmith wrote:

So no Exxon or BPAmoco.

Is Shell all right? Are they the good gas station?

Isn't it tough when the supply is controlled by an oligopoly?

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

SundaySilence wrote:

Isn't it tough when the supply is controlled by an oligopoly?

its not just tough, its pointless. A boycott can't stop a moving train FULL O' OIL!!!!!!

chromiam

jlew24asu wrote:

it may force people to purchase gas efficient cars. at the very least, demand will rise for them.

what gas efficient cars??? The Hybrids are only effective in city driving conditions, once you start driving highway speeds, you're using just the gas engine. And most people commute 30 to 45 minutes to work each way mostly on highways.

Plus, why would someone trade their car in (presumeably at a loss due to gas prices) for a new car (new payment presumeably higher) for a technology which isn't fully implimented or available (E85) or yet proven??

polaris

jlew24asu wrote:

again, where do you get your information? sounds made up to fit your agenda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exxon_Valdez_oil_spill
http://www.exxposeexxon.com

i do find it funny that i have an agenda against a company but you will so easily accept everything above face from them ...

jlew24asu wrote:

exxon doesnt run this country. where do you buy your gas from?

i use my car as little as possible and when i buy gas - it's from Sunoco (SunCorp - here in Canada) ... it isn't perfect - but it's something ... also, here in Canada, Esso's (Exxon affiliate) consistently used to make the dirtiest gas (not sure on the most recent tests) ...

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

unless you live in the downtown area of a few large cities, driving is a necessity.

polaris

jlew24asu wrote:

shell is all hugo chavez right? in that case, several here will be happy to buy his gas.

hugo chavez?? ... shell? ... good grief ...

shell isn't great because of their continuing actions in africa where they are hiring mercenaries to threaten natives and exploiting tribal groups ...

anyways ... if people exercised their consumer power to force business to operate at least ethically - we could make a huge difference ...

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

Chavez is Citgo i think, Jlew.

polaris wrote:

anyways ... if people exercised their consumer power to force business to operate at least ethically - we could make a huge difference ...

doubt it, but its nice that you care .

jlew24asu

polaris wrote:

hugo chavez?? ... shell? ... good grief ...

shell isn't great because of their continuing actions in africa where they are hiring mercenaries to threaten natives and exploiting tribal groups ...

anyways ... if people exercised their consumer power to force business to operate at least ethically - we could make a huge difference ...

o thats right, I think chavez is Citgo.

jlew24asu

chromiam wrote:

what gas efficient cars??? The Hybrids are only effective in city driving conditions, once you start driving highway speeds, you're using just the gas engine. And most people commute 30 to 45 minutes to work each way mostly on highways.

I really dont know much about the technology. maybe I assumed you can save (gas) money by using them.

chromiam wrote:

Plus, why would someone trade their car in (presumeably at a loss due to gas prices) for a new car (new payment presumeably higher) for a technology which isn't fully implimented or available (E85) or yet proven??

its not going to cost someone more to trade in a SUV for a more fuel efficient car.

jlew24asu

polaris wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exxon_Valdez_oil_spill
http://www.exxposeexxon.com

i do find it funny that i have an agenda against a company but you will so easily accept everything above face from them ...

why would exxon invest and develop technologies that will put them out of business?

"ExxonMobil is making record-breaking profits because of high-gas prices but refuses to invest that windfall in renewable energy to ease America's oil dependence. Read more."

polaris wrote:

i use my car as little as possible and when i buy gas - it's from Sunoco (SunCorp - here in Canada) ... it isn't perfect - but it's something ... also, here in Canada, Esso's (Exxon affiliate) consistently used to make the dirtiest gas (not sure on the most recent tests) ...

great, still not sure where you are getting all this dirty gas stuff.

edvedder3779

Posted before I saw Mr. Smith kindly clarified...

Citgo = Venezuela/Chavez http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citgo
Shell = Royal Dutch Shell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Dutch_Shell

Not trying to be a fact nitpicker, just want to make sure the folks know who's who in case that would influence your purchasing habits.

Kel Varnsen

The problem with boycotting a single gas station company is that almost all of them actually are owned by companies that have oil refining divisions. So for example if you boycott exxon gas stations, and exxons sales go down, exxon will just sell all of there surplus gas to other stations who will in turn have more business (since everyone is still driving).

polaris

jlew24asu wrote:

why would exxon invest and develop technologies that will put them out of business?

"ExxonMobil is making record-breaking profits because of high-gas prices but refuses to invest that windfall in renewable energy to ease America's oil dependence. Read more."

because exxon is an energy company ... and you touch lightly on what motivates exxon ... they are milking every last cent for what it's worth - greed above everything else ...

in any case - feel free to support them as it is well within your rights - some of us will choose not to ...

jlew24asu wrote:

great, still not sure where you are getting all this dirty gas stuff.

gas is refined from oil for use in your car ... when gas is burned in your car - all the impurities are let out into the atmosphere ... big one being sulphur ... the better you refine the gas - the less the impurities ... ESSO here has a history of not investing in refinery technologies to better clean the gas it sells ...

chromiam

Kel Varnsen wrote:

The problem with boycotting a single gas station company is that almost all of them actually are owned by companies that have oil refining divisions. So for example if you boycott exxon gas stations, and exxons sales go down, exxon will just sell all of there surplus gas to other stations who will in turn have more business (since everyone is still driving).

Exactly...

jlew24asu

polaris wrote:

because exxon is an energy company ... and you touch lightly on what motivates exxon ... they are milking every last cent for what it's worth - greed above everything else ...

in any case - feel free to support them as it is well within your rights - some of us will choose not to ...

how is any company on earth any different? or even most people? exxon only exists so it can provide gas to people who drive cars. so we should boycott them for it? I agree boycotting them is a good idea because of they oil spill and fine mess. but because they are greedy? or make alot of money? thats just ridiculous.

polaris wrote:

gas is refined from oil for use in your car ... when gas is burned in your car - all the impurities are let out into the atmosphere ... big one being sulphur ... the better you refine the gas - the less the impurities ... ESSO here has a history of not investing in refinery technologies to better clean the gas it sells ...

ok fine, dont try and prove anything. as long as you say it, it must be true.

callen

jlew24asu wrote:

shell is all hugo chavez right? in that case, several here will be happy to buy his gas.

Shell is not Jugo Chavez...thought you were in the buis??? Its "Royal Dutch Shell"....and they invest more in alternative energy than any of its rivals.