Great compare FDR to Michelle Obamas father. I cant see any comparison between the two.
Its FDR, a figure we can all repect not her father who i could care less about
I thought the correlation was obvious, especially when she mentioned the two canes her father used.
The only difference I see is that FDR showed his strength on an international level, while Michelle Obama's father demonstrated his on a more intimate stage.
The number of people in the audience doesn't determine the greatness of the play.
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well what do you expect me to do? you want to poke fun at me and try to make me look like a moron, but when i fire back i get "classy." besides, don't you see me as a sexist for my remarks? would you expect anything less from me?
ok, let me try to make it better here. maybe instead of saying "all wives..." i should have said "all spouses..."
i honestly don't really care what a spouse has to say leading up to an election. it's basically just kissing the ass of your spouse in front of people. let the nominated person from the party get elected. then once you're the first spouse, talk all you want.
well what do you expect me to do? you want to poke fun at me and try to make me look like a moron, but when i fire back i get "classy." besides, don't you see me as a sexist for my remarks? would you expect anything less from me?
ok, let me try to make it better here. maybe instead of saying "all wives..." i should have said "all spouses..."
i honestly don't really care what a spouse has to say leading up to an election. it's basically just kissing the ass of your spouse in front of people. let the nominated person from the party get elected. then once you're the first spouse, talk all you want.
The only reason I "poked" fun at you is cause I think you referred to me as an "a-hole."
It's about being relatable to the common man. To many Americans it's very important. I mean if they don't have an understanding to what it means to be a middle class American and get about $40-80,000 a year, then how can they know what is best for them. Mitt Romney has bus loads of money, but has he ever known what it's like living paycheck to paycheck? Nope never. It's common sense that if someone has worked their way up the ladder by hard work that they are better expierenced for a position of leadership than those who got handed everything(see George Bush).
That's my understanding of it anyway.
I don't get why that should even be an issue. You will discount all of what Romney has achieved in his business and political career because he didn't face financial hardships when he was growing up.
What do you put more weight behind the upbringing of a candidate twenty years prior to him even being known, or what this person has done in the spotlight of their career.
well what do you expect me to do? you want to poke fun at me and try to make me look like a moron, but when i fire back i get "classy." besides, don't you see me as a sexist for my remarks? would you expect anything less from me?
ok, let me try to make it better here. maybe instead of saying "all wives..." i should have said "all spouses..."
i honestly don't really care what a spouse has to say leading up to an election. it's basically just kissing the ass of your spouse in front of people. let the nominated person from the party get elected. then once you're the first spouse, talk all you want.
Monster of Midway is a feminist. I think you offended him.
I don't get why that should even be an issue. You will discount all of what Romney has achieved in his business and political career because he didn't face financial hardships when he was growing up.
What do you put more weight behind the upbringing of a candidate twenty years prior to him even being known, or what this person has done in the spotlight of their career.
See, you're pulling a Bill O'Reilly here. I never said we should discount all of what Mitt Romney has done.
It's not just the upbringing. It's a combination of upbringing and track record. What I'm simply stating is that a person's upbringing has a definite shape on them, and the majority of the time Americans find that side of a candidate attractive.
Like some people listen to Pearl Jam because they can relate to the music. I listen to Lil Wayne because I can relate to the music. It's the appeal of relatability that sets them apart. But by no way am I discounting someone's track record.
See, you're pulling a Bill O'Reilly here. I never said we should discount all of what Mitt Romney has done.
It's not just the upbringing. It's a combination of upbringing and track record. What I'm simply stating is that a person's upbringing has a definite shape on them, and the majority of the time Americans find that side of a candidate attractive.
Like some people listen to Pearl Jam because they can relate to the music. I listen to Lil Wayne because I can relate to the music. It's the appeal of relatability that sets them apart. But by no way am I discounting someone's track record.
Oh. I forgot you and Wayne were boyz back in the wards of NOLA. so i guess you relate to obama to. Just another brotha from the hood.
Missed it...though I'm not really sure why I should care what the spouse of any candidate thinks about anything...other than it may give you a glimpse into what the candidate themselves believe in.
I also saw that Cindy McCain is going to Georgia to "Assess the civilian casulaties"....what the hell?
And before anyone starts, I'd certainly have the same opinion if the candidate was a woman and the spouse was a man.
Question...do any of you care what the spouse of the president of your company thinks about where the company is headed?
Missed it...though I'm not really sure why I should care what the spouse of any candidate thinks about anything...other than it may give you a glimpse into what the candidate themselves believe in.
Question...do any of you care what the spouse of the president of your company thinks about where the company is headed?
I cast my vote based on the candidate, first and foremost. His or her platform, experience, past behavior, and character are paramount. But I have to say that there's credence in the old maxim that you can judge a man based on the company he keeps.
So yeah...when I met my boss' husband and found out he was a hell of a guy, it made me just that much more comfortable about the future of the school. I wouldn't have quit if he were a douche bag, but meeting him did improve my opinion of her.
I've never been one of those guys who believes that a man can completely divorce his private life from his professional life. Who he is at home, with his friends, with his children, with his wife does presage his behavior when he crosses the threshold of the office.
After all, the person you decide to spend the rest of your life with, to raise your children with, and to grow old with speaks volumes about the sort of person you are.
"In the depths of winter, I finally learned that there was in me an invincible summer." -- Albert Camus
"He who knows only his own side of the case, knows little of that." -- John Stuart Mill
I cast my vote based on the candidate, first and foremost. His or her platform, experience, past behavior, and character are paramount. But I have to say that there's also credence in the old maxim that you can judge a man based on the company he keeps.
So yeah...when I met my boss' husband and found out he was a hell of a guy, it made me just that much more comfortable about the future of the school. I wouldn't have quit if he were a douche bag, but meeting him did improve my opinion of her.
I've never been one of those guys who believes that a man can completely divorce his private life from his professional life. Who he is at home, with his friends, with his children, with his wife does presage his behavior when he crosses the threshold of the office.
After all, the person you decide to spend the rest of your life with, to raise your children with, and to grow old with speaks volumes about the sort of person you are.
Well, I appreciate your response. Though I disagree.
I have also gone and read the transcript of the speach and it is nothing but fluff...I sure hope that the spouse of a presidential candidate wouldn't get up on the stage and tell everyone about the candidate's flaws. Next, they should have Barrack's mom tell us how he was such a good little boy that has grown into a man that she can be proud of...duh.
Some people are just going to be cynics no matter what....
It's not Michelle's job to discuss politics....at least not yet.
She's there to support her man and show their family to America so the people can better relate to them as opposed to the celebrity images we see every day.
She did her job very well. She was beautiful last night...
I thought she was great! She was a 1000x's better than Nancy Pelosi. I will say that I hope they start to go on the attack or I feel they will gain no advantage from this 4 day convention.
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i agree ... the commentators thought it was cute, but they never should have put that mic in the girls hand.
You have no soul.
The "I love you daddy" was brilliant. You should always put a mic in a kids hand as Americans are suckers for that kind of thing.
I should know I'm and American and thought it was very cute. I'm sure it won him a few votes in some people on the fence. Not that it should but hey some people are just suckers for kids.
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I thought she was great! She was a 1000x's better than Nancy Pelosi. I will say that I hope they start to go on the attack or I feel they will gain no advantage from this 4 day convention.
I agree completely. Fantastic speech, Democrats are feeling good, now unleash the dogs.
All that's sacred, comes from youth....dedications, naive and true.
i agree ... the commentators thought it was cute, but they never should have put that mic in the girls hand.
WTF? Are you two for real?
The whole point of last night was to (basically) show Obama and his family are "one of us(Americans)" because the right has done a pretty good job of portraying them as "exotic" and "different".
Michelle did a fantastic job of chipping away at the cliche', in my opinion.
Putting the kids in the picture, intentionally or not, conveys they are a family. Like everyone else in America. Which hopefully, will help cut through the bs that they are "different".
"Hey honey...go on stage and look pretty for the people"
I don't know why I can't let this topic go. Even though I started the thread, I really don't care this much. In fact, I'm not even sure I'm going to vote for Obama. However, here goes...
I don't want to speak for Strangest Tribe, but I didn't interpret the word "beautiful" in his or her comment to be strictly exterior beauty as in "go and look pretty for the people." Her words and her mannerisms and her whole presentation were beautiful, not just her face/hair/dress. If I were the type to get offended easily (which I'm not), I might take offense to your assumption that she was mere eye-candy.
On a slightly different note, I can't help but wonder if your opinion of her speech might have been different if you had seen it live, as opposed to simply reading the transcript. As we all know, a speech or a song or a play is much more than just words. There's a lot more to consider: context, body language, inflection, environment, etc.
For example, if you read the lyrics to some Pearl Jam songs, you might not be that impressed. Yet, if you add the driving force of Mike, Matt, Jeff, and Stone, along with the primordial crooning of Eddie, and throw that concoction into a 5,000 seat venue; you get a positively cataclysmic event.
Of course, you can't un-ring the bell, but it would be interesting to see how the medium in which people first experience a speech affects their appreciation of it.
I'll be the first to admit that I got swept up in the fanfare. The DNC is a show, and the Democrats put on a great show last night. We had the "Holy Trinity" of Kennedys--Jack, Bobby, and Teddy-- leading into a funny and sweet introduction of Michelle by her big brother. And Mrs. Obama just took it from there. It was tough not to be carried away, and I willingly let the riptide take me.
After all, these events are about "the way things should be." When the balloons and streamers have fallen and are resting in the nearest land-fill, then we can go back to the "way things are"--and try to fix them.
"In the depths of winter, I finally learned that there was in me an invincible summer." -- Albert Camus
"He who knows only his own side of the case, knows little of that." -- John Stuart Mill
I don't know why I can't let this topic go. Even though I started the thread, I really don't care this much. In fact, I'm not even sure I'm going to vote for Obama. However, here goes...
I don't want to speak for Strangest Tribe, but I didn't interpret the word "beautiful" in his or her comment to be strictly exterior beauty as in "go and look pretty for the people." Her words and her mannerisms and her whole presentation were beautiful, not just her face/hair/dress. If I were the type to get offended easily (which I'm not), I might take offense to your assumption that she was mere eye-candy.
On a slightly different note, I can't help but wonder if your opinion of her speech might have been different if you had seen it live, as opposed to simply reading the transcript. As we all know, a speech or a song or a play is much more than just words. There's a lot more to consider: context, body language, inflection, environment, etc.
For example, if you read the lyrics to some Pearl Jam songs, you might not be that impressed. Yet, if you add the driving force of Mike, Matt, Jeff, and Stone, along with the primordial crooning of Eddie, and throw that concoction into a 5,000 seat venue; you get a positively cataclysmic event.
Of course, you can't un-ring the bell, but it would be interesting to see how the medium in which people first experience a speech affects their appreciation of it.
I'll be the first to admit that I got swept up in the fanfare. The DNC is a show, and the Democrats put on a great show last night. We had the "Holy Trinity" of Kennedys--Jack, Bobby, and Teddy-- leading into a funny and sweet introduction of Michelle by her big brother. And Mrs. Obama just took it from there. It was tough not to be carried away, and I willingly let the riptide take me.
After all, these events are about "the way things should be." When the balloons and streamers have fallen and are resting in the nearest land-fill, then we can go back to the "way things are"--and try to fix them.
#1) Even if refering to more than just her physical appearance...ie...words, etc as you said...it's still fluff. I'm sure Dennis Kucinich supporters woudl agree as he looks like a troll, but they think he can run the country...his wife on the other hand...I'm getting of topic.
#2) I might have a slightly different opinion had I seen the speech and got carried away by the fluff...that's the purpose after all...but I still really don't care about any of the topics that was discussed. And I'm still not sure why I would want to hear what a spouse (regardless of sex) of a candidate thinks of his/her spouse.
By the way, this is coming from a conservative. I did, however, caucus in Iowa for Obama and I'm still undecided as to who to vote for in this election...so I'm not just trying to be harsh.
Just another continuation of the painstaking measures the Obamas and their supporters have taken to avoid the real issues.
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#1) Even if refering to more than just her physical appearance...ie...words, etc as you said...it's still fluff. I'm sure Dennis Kucinich supporters woudl agree as he looks like a troll, but they think he can run the country...his wife on the other hand...I'm getting of topic.
#2) I might have a slightly different opinion had I seen the speech and got carried away by the fluff...that's the purpose after all...but I still really don't care about any of the topics that was discussed. And I'm still not sure why I would want to hear what a spouse (regardless of sex) of a candidate thinks of his/her spouse.
By the way, this is coming from a conservative. I did, however, caucus in Iowa for Obama and I'm still undecided as to who to vote for in this election...so I'm not just trying to be harsh.
Fair enough.
I promise I'm done this time...maybe.
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I thought the correlation was obvious, especially when she mentioned the two canes her father used.
The only difference I see is that FDR showed his strength on an international level, while Michelle Obama's father demonstrated his on a more intimate stage.
The number of people in the audience doesn't determine the greatness of the play.
"He who knows only his own side of the case, knows little of that." -- John Stuart Mill
"Mongo just a pawn in game of life." -- Mongo
Good line.
well what do you expect me to do? you want to poke fun at me and try to make me look like a moron, but when i fire back i get "classy." besides, don't you see me as a sexist for my remarks? would you expect anything less from me?
ok, let me try to make it better here. maybe instead of saying "all wives..." i should have said "all spouses..."
i honestly don't really care what a spouse has to say leading up to an election. it's basically just kissing the ass of your spouse in front of people. let the nominated person from the party get elected. then once you're the first spouse, talk all you want.
~D.K.S.
The only reason I "poked" fun at you is cause I think you referred to me as an "a-hole."
Lil Wayne is better than Pearl Jam.
Bitches ain't nothin' but hoes 'n tricks
I don't get why that should even be an issue. You will discount all of what Romney has achieved in his business and political career because he didn't face financial hardships when he was growing up.
What do you put more weight behind the upbringing of a candidate twenty years prior to him even being known, or what this person has done in the spotlight of their career.
ok, my bad. i'm sorry i called you an a-hole.
~D.K.S.
Monster of Midway is a feminist. I think you offended him.
i really didn't mean just wives. that's why i included bill clinton in that post, saying he should shut up if hillary was nominated.
whatever, though. this thread is pretty funny so far.
~D.K.S.
See, you're pulling a Bill O'Reilly here. I never said we should discount all of what Mitt Romney has done.
It's not just the upbringing. It's a combination of upbringing and track record. What I'm simply stating is that a person's upbringing has a definite shape on them, and the majority of the time Americans find that side of a candidate attractive.
Like some people listen to Pearl Jam because they can relate to the music. I listen to Lil Wayne because I can relate to the music. It's the appeal of relatability that sets them apart. But by no way am I discounting someone's track record.
Lil Wayne is better than Pearl Jam.
Bitches ain't nothin' but hoes 'n tricks
Oh. I forgot you and Wayne were boyz back in the wards of NOLA. so i guess you relate to obama to. Just another brotha from the hood.
Word.
Lil Wayne is better than Pearl Jam.
Bitches ain't nothin' but hoes 'n tricks
I also saw that Cindy McCain is going to Georgia to "Assess the civilian casulaties"....what the hell?
And before anyone starts, I'd certainly have the same opinion if the candidate was a woman and the spouse was a man.
Question...do any of you care what the spouse of the president of your company thinks about where the company is headed?
i agree ... the commentators thought it was cute, but they never should have put that mic in the girls hand.
I cast my vote based on the candidate, first and foremost. His or her platform, experience, past behavior, and character are paramount. But I have to say that there's credence in the old maxim that you can judge a man based on the company he keeps.
So yeah...when I met my boss' husband and found out he was a hell of a guy, it made me just that much more comfortable about the future of the school. I wouldn't have quit if he were a douche bag, but meeting him did improve my opinion of her.
I've never been one of those guys who believes that a man can completely divorce his private life from his professional life. Who he is at home, with his friends, with his children, with his wife does presage his behavior when he crosses the threshold of the office.
After all, the person you decide to spend the rest of your life with, to raise your children with, and to grow old with speaks volumes about the sort of person you are.
"He who knows only his own side of the case, knows little of that." -- John Stuart Mill
"Mongo just a pawn in game of life." -- Mongo
Well, I appreciate your response. Though I disagree.
I have also gone and read the transcript of the speach and it is nothing but fluff...I sure hope that the spouse of a presidential candidate wouldn't get up on the stage and tell everyone about the candidate's flaws.
I want less fluff and more substance.
I would love to hear that speech.
Twenty minutes...just a list of grievances!
"...he's a selfish lover."
"...he cheats at scrabble."
"...he TiVo's The Hills."
"...you'd think he had never heard of mouthwash."
"He who knows only his own side of the case, knows little of that." -- John Stuart Mill
"Mongo just a pawn in game of life." -- Mongo
and the same can be said for the GOP speaking at the DNC.....
both of the above situations would be interesting.
Some people are just going to be cynics no matter what....
It's not Michelle's job to discuss politics....at least not yet.
She's there to support her man and show their family to America so the people can better relate to them as opposed to the celebrity images we see every day.
She did her job very well. She was beautiful last night...
and I believe most of America thought so as well.
now that's a speech i can get behind!
That is my point.
And that is a sad comment...
"Hey honey...go on stage and look pretty for the people"
You have no soul.
The "I love you daddy" was brilliant. You should always put a mic in a kids hand as Americans are suckers for that kind of thing.
I should know I'm and American and thought it was very cute. I'm sure it won him a few votes in some people on the fence. Not that it should but hey some people are just suckers for kids.
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WTF? Are you two for real?
The whole point of last night was to (basically) show Obama and his family are "one of us(Americans)" because the right has done a pretty good job of portraying them as "exotic" and "different".
Michelle did a fantastic job of chipping away at the cliche', in my opinion.
Putting the kids in the picture, intentionally or not, conveys they are a family. Like everyone else in America. Which hopefully, will help cut through the bs that they are "different".
I don't know why I can't let this topic go. Even though I started the thread, I really don't care this much. In fact, I'm not even sure I'm going to vote for Obama. However, here goes...
I don't want to speak for Strangest Tribe, but I didn't interpret the word "beautiful" in his or her comment to be strictly exterior beauty as in "go and look pretty for the people." Her words and her mannerisms and her whole presentation were beautiful, not just her face/hair/dress. If I were the type to get offended easily (which I'm not), I might take offense to your assumption that she was mere eye-candy.
On a slightly different note, I can't help but wonder if your opinion of her speech might have been different if you had seen it live, as opposed to simply reading the transcript. As we all know, a speech or a song or a play is much more than just words. There's a lot more to consider: context, body language, inflection, environment, etc.
For example, if you read the lyrics to some Pearl Jam songs, you might not be that impressed. Yet, if you add the driving force of Mike, Matt, Jeff, and Stone, along with the primordial crooning of Eddie, and throw that concoction into a 5,000 seat venue; you get a positively cataclysmic event.
Of course, you can't un-ring the bell, but it would be interesting to see how the medium in which people first experience a speech affects their appreciation of it.
I'll be the first to admit that I got swept up in the fanfare. The DNC is a show, and the Democrats put on a great show last night. We had the "Holy Trinity" of Kennedys--Jack, Bobby, and Teddy-- leading into a funny and sweet introduction of Michelle by her big brother. And Mrs. Obama just took it from there. It was tough not to be carried away, and I willingly let the riptide take me.
After all, these events are about "the way things should be." When the balloons and streamers have fallen and are resting in the nearest land-fill, then we can go back to the "way things are"--and try to fix them.
"He who knows only his own side of the case, knows little of that." -- John Stuart Mill
"Mongo just a pawn in game of life." -- Mongo
#1) Even if refering to more than just her physical appearance...ie...words, etc as you said...it's still fluff. I'm sure Dennis Kucinich supporters woudl agree as he looks like a troll, but they think he can run the country...his wife on the other hand...I'm getting of topic.
#2) I might have a slightly different opinion had I seen the speech and got carried away by the fluff...that's the purpose after all...but I still really don't care about any of the topics that was discussed. And I'm still not sure why I would want to hear what a spouse (regardless of sex) of a candidate thinks of his/her spouse.
By the way, this is coming from a conservative. I did, however, caucus in Iowa for Obama and I'm still undecided as to who to vote for in this election...so I'm not just trying to be harsh.
-Reagan
Fair enough.
I promise I'm done this time...maybe.
"He who knows only his own side of the case, knows little of that." -- John Stuart Mill
"Mongo just a pawn in game of life." -- Mongo
Kind of random considering the topic has nothing to do with what you're mentioning. but what issue do you want to know about?