I get a huge kick out of this notion that "race relations have not improved since the 60's"... Um. Yeah. They have. Its not perfect by any stretch... but perhaps you forget in the 60's a black man couldnt marry a white woman, there was still blatent segregation, and lynchings and violence and abuse.
good point. glad you mentioned it.
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do you think it's the media hypeing the race relation thing, or do you think it's a factor?
i think there is a little bit of a factor when it comes to race and this election.
I’ve been wanting to bring this up, but haven’t because it seems when race is mentioned here people are suddenly labeled racist. That in itself tells me things haven’t changed much since the 60’s.
I know African Americans that still use the ‘my ancestors were slaves, so feel bad for me’ bit.
Do you think that if Obama’s president will they stop using that as an excuse?
This started a whole shit storm of drama and instead of just being an issue with one relative, now it is a big part of her family that just cant believe she would consider voting for Obama. She told me they have been so hard on her that she doesnt even feel comfortable going home for Xmas.
good lord.
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Signs in peoples' yards is nothing new. It happens in every election. I'm not sure why people seem to be confused or bothered by it this time around. Its just one way to express your support if you wish to.
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people take flags to a football game... as they support a football team... once home they dont put that flag up on their house, council buildings, shops, etc. its actually very unique to america. i will walk home tonight and see maybe one Scottish flag hung from a building.. in the US you'd see 10's if not hundreds. haggis? whats with the haggis... i wonder if i'll get disability allowance after that crippling retort?
read what i said.. it wasnt news, it was a documentary.. and its about a comedian/actor travelling through all 50 states of the US AS HE LOVES THE PLACE SO MUCH... it's not a negative show whatsoever.
Woah down, buddy. Try the decaf. The haggis thing was obviously a joke.....perhaps you have heard of them? I used it to illustrate that all cultures have "weird" things that other cultures dont "get". Would you prefer kilts?
I still disagree about the flags....after travelling in Europe I dont see any more flags here in the States than I did there, but maybe I am not in the right places.
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Second, to a few commenting in the thread, I agree about the signs also being lame. My take is you are segmenting yourself from half the population in your neighborhood. What exactly do you think you are accomplishing by putting a sign in your lawn? You certainly aren't getting anyone to vote for your candidate just cause you are, instead, you are probably pissing people off who think differently. That said, the signs on lawns are no where near as bad as bumper stickers. They just make cars look like crap and make the people in them look pretty bad too.
Woah down, buddy. Try the decaf. The haggis thing was obviously a joke.....perhaps you have heard of them? I used it to illustrate that all cultures have "weird" things that other cultures dont "get". Would you prefer kilts?
I still disagree about the flags....after travelling in Europe I dont see any more flags here in the States than I did there, but maybe I am not in the right places.
May be not all the US but when I lived in the US where I lived virtually every house had a flag hanging from the porch, every independent store, every classroom in the school I went to as well as a flag pole outside the school.
I've never lived any where in the UK where people would put a flag outside their house (other than during the World Cup and then it's not the British flag) ... honestly it was one of the first thing I noticed when I moved to the US was how many flags there were ... on my way to and from work (30 minute walk in central London) I see one British flag and it is outside a hotel that also flies several other countries flags.
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Second, to a few commenting in the thread, I agree about the signs also being lame. My take is you are segmenting yourself from half the population in your neighborhood. What exactly do you think you are accomplishing by putting a sign in your lawn? You certainly aren't getting anyone to vote for your candidate just cause you are, instead, you are probably pissing people off who think differently. That said, the signs on lawns are no where near as bad as bumper stickers. They just make cars look like crap and make the people in them look pretty bad too.
i agree.
my pearl jam bumper sticker f'kn rocks thou. i'll never take that off. ha!
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Second, to a few commenting in the thread, I agree about the signs also being lame. My take is you are segmenting yourself from half the population in your neighborhood. What exactly do you think you are accomplishing by putting a sign in your lawn? You certainly aren't getting anyone to vote for your candidate just cause you are, instead, you are probably pissing people off who think differently. That said, the signs on lawns are no where near as bad as bumper stickers. They just make cars look like crap and make the people in them look pretty bad too.
Actually more so on the local elections it's been proven that lawn signs provide name familiarity with voters.
Where I live if you are running for any local position, city council, school board, mayor, state representative, etc... you will have a better chance winning an election the more signs you put out...
There are a lot of people that don't familiarize themselves enough with the candidates before an election and they will remember a sign in a neighbor or friends or someone they respect yard and simply vote for that candidate because they advertised more.
Im just as guilty of name association as anyone. We usually research candidates before we vote but sometimes there are as many as 6 positions up for vote for city council or school board. That means out of say 10 candidates there will be 6 elected. If I respect Mr Smith up the street enough to value his opinion I WILL vote for whoever has a sign in his yard.
May be not all the US but when I lived in the US where I lived virtually every house had a flag hanging from the porch, every independent store, every classroom in the school I went to as well as a flag pole outside the school.
I've never lived any where in the UK where people would put a flag outside their house (other than during the World Cup and then it's not the British flag) ... honestly it was one of the first thing I noticed when I moved to the US was how many flags there were ... on my way to and from work (30 minute walk in central London) I see one British flag and it is outside a hotel that also flies several other countries flags.
I dont doubt that you are right, I have heard all my life about Americans' love of the Stars and Stripes. My point was really who cares about the flags. To me it is like saying "What is up with the Germans' love of soccer?" or "Why do Asians eat insects?". Its just the way it is. I dont see anything wrong or negative about someone having a flag outside their home here or in any other country.
Dunkman's post was out of left field and obviously negative and insulting. "A fat woman shooting a burglar over a toaster", forgetting what country youre in. C'mon man.....
So I simply made the point that there are things about other cultures that we dont understand but that doesnt mean they are stupid.
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my pearl jam bumper sticker f'kn rocks thou. i'll never take that off. ha!
I saw my first PJ sticker in MD/DC last week and tried hard to catch up with her but couldn't. Then again she might thought I was a crazy.
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I dont doubt that you are right, I have heard all my life about Americans' love of the Stars and Stripes. My point was really who cares about the flags. To me it is like saying "What is up with the Germans' love of soccer?" or "Why do Asians eat insects?". Its just the way it is. I dont see anything wrong or negative about someone having a flag outside their home here or in any other country.
Dunkman's post was out of left field and obviously negative and insulting. "A fat woman shooting a burglar over a toaster", forgetting what country youre in. C'mon man.....
So I simply made the point that there are things about other cultures that we dont understand but that doesnt mean they are stupid.
it was an in joke with Collin... he'll know what i meant by the toaster thing
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Actually more so on the local elections it's been proven that lawn signs provide name familiarity with voters.
Where I live if you are running for any local position, city council, school board, mayor, state representative, etc... you will have a better chance winning an election the more signs you put out...
There are a lot of people that don't familiarize themselves enough with the candidates before an election and they will remember a sign in a neighbor or friends or someone they respect yard and simply vote for that candidate because they advertised more.
Well, that may be somewhat true. That means that politicians want you to place signs on your yard.... and doesn't mean the average person has to. Basicially, it doesn't take away the fact that someone (who places the signs in their yard) makes that decision themself (because it's their yard) and can therefore be described as being devisive towards those around them who disagree. Moreover, the people who vote for someone because someone down the street does probably should not be voting. Personally, I don't buy the theory. I understand why politicians would want to make people think it works, but I don't think the heavy majority of people vote based on signs.
But, even if what you said is true for local elections.... you started the thread talking about the Obama sign in your yard. That's not local my friend. Therefore, it's devisive. In a strange way, I personally belive you are asking for confrontation when you bring your own politics and put them on display for an entire neighborhood. It's like going into a party and starting to talk about who you are voting for or even dissing the opposition. Some of the people at the party might not like that, probably about 50%.
Seriously, that sucks, dude. But I don't understand all the signs, to be honest.
Agreed... in Ireland nobody ever tells anyone who they vote for.. that way if you want your local councillor to do something for ya, you pretend you've always voted for them and if they do this their vote is secured... even though you may never have voted for them. Get rid of the bloody signs! :rolleyes:
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So if they came in with a kkk bumper sticker on, I should work on there cars? I know thats not in the same league, well thats not all true. Its my little way of rebelling, no one is getting hurt.
I agree with you and good for you for standing up for what you believe.
I also agree that I woulda said a lot more to this guy than was said. I'm not being smart... but if someone shares their views with me, I'll bloody share my views with them and that's the fun of it.
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Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
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Silly question......ever been to a EUFA Cup match? Flags are everywhere, it is not unique to America. Whats with the haggis, man? Just let it be.....different strokes.
I am sure you already know this, but dont go getting all your news from the BBC and expect to still have any respect for the States. BBC was all the news I had for 10 months I spent in Germany. If a story had anthing to do with the USA it was negative. Literally I remember my wife and I being shocked 2 or 3 times when they had a story that didnt lambast the USA.
I've been to the states a few times and I've seen the flags and i find it bloody hilarious.. It makes no sense. You bring a flag to a game to show your allegiance. If you live in a country you don't need to show your allegiance. Does it make you better than your neighbour or more of a patriot if you have a flag and they don't?
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Well, that may be somewhat true. That means that politicians want you to place signs on your yard.... and doesn't mean the average person has to. Basicially, it doesn't take away the fact that someone (who places the signs in their yard) makes that decision themself (because it's their yard) and can therefore be described as being devisive towards those around them who disagree. Moreover, the people who vote for someone because someone down the street does probably should not be voting. Personally, I don't buy the theory. I understand why politicians would want to make people think it works, but I don't think the heavy majority of people vote based on signs.
But, even if what you said is true for local elections.... you started the thread talking about the Obama sign in your yard. That's not local my friend. Therefore, it's devisive. In a strange way, I personally belive you are asking for confrontation when you bring your own politics and put them on display for an entire neighborhood. It's like going into a party and starting to talk about who you are voting for or even dissing the opposition. Some of the people at the party might not like that, probably about 50%.
Yeah I agree it works both ways and I truly believe most people place signs in their yard to be devisive.
Also it becomes emotional as well, its like wearing a sweater with your favorite sports team on it, someone won't like it but why should you care because it always feels good when someone comes up to you and says "I like your shirt"
So if you're emotional about politics it's always good to meet others that share the same emotions... so the signs serve a purpose of communicating as well.
I think it's insulting that someone would believe I was at fault because i placed a political sign in my yard and it pissed someone else off...that's just plain dumb....
I would never be hateful and rude to someone souly based on the political sign in their yard ...that's just the epitome of ignorance....
so really the question I would pose would be...why should it matter and do you always make decisions based on what someone else might think???
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good point. glad you mentioned it.
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do you think it's the media hypeing the race relation thing, or do you think it's a factor?
i think there is a little bit of a factor when it comes to race and this election.
I’ve been wanting to bring this up, but haven’t because it seems when race is mentioned here people are suddenly labeled racist. That in itself tells me things haven’t changed much since the 60’s.
I know African Americans that still use the ‘my ancestors were slaves, so feel bad for me’ bit.
Do you think that if Obama’s president will they stop using that as an excuse?
go ahead, call me a racist. :(
good lord.
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Woah down, buddy. Try the decaf. The haggis thing was obviously a joke.....perhaps you have heard of them? I used it to illustrate that all cultures have "weird" things that other cultures dont "get". Would you prefer kilts?
I still disagree about the flags....after travelling in Europe I dont see any more flags here in the States than I did there, but maybe I am not in the right places.
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Second, to a few commenting in the thread, I agree about the signs also being lame. My take is you are segmenting yourself from half the population in your neighborhood. What exactly do you think you are accomplishing by putting a sign in your lawn? You certainly aren't getting anyone to vote for your candidate just cause you are, instead, you are probably pissing people off who think differently. That said, the signs on lawns are no where near as bad as bumper stickers. They just make cars look like crap and make the people in them look pretty bad too.
May be not all the US but when I lived in the US where I lived virtually every house had a flag hanging from the porch, every independent store, every classroom in the school I went to as well as a flag pole outside the school.
I've never lived any where in the UK where people would put a flag outside their house (other than during the World Cup and then it's not the British flag) ... honestly it was one of the first thing I noticed when I moved to the US was how many flags there were ... on my way to and from work (30 minute walk in central London) I see one British flag and it is outside a hotel that also flies several other countries flags.
i agree.
my pearl jam bumper sticker f'kn rocks thou. i'll never take that off. ha!
Actually more so on the local elections it's been proven that lawn signs provide name familiarity with voters.
Where I live if you are running for any local position, city council, school board, mayor, state representative, etc... you will have a better chance winning an election the more signs you put out...
There are a lot of people that don't familiarize themselves enough with the candidates before an election and they will remember a sign in a neighbor or friends or someone they respect yard and simply vote for that candidate because they advertised more.
i can understand why that is true, but it's sad just the same.
kind of like......
'yeah, i'm gonna vote for her because she reminds me of my cousin!'
lame.
I dont doubt that you are right, I have heard all my life about Americans' love of the Stars and Stripes. My point was really who cares about the flags. To me it is like saying "What is up with the Germans' love of soccer?" or "Why do Asians eat insects?". Its just the way it is. I dont see anything wrong or negative about someone having a flag outside their home here or in any other country.
Dunkman's post was out of left field and obviously negative and insulting. "A fat woman shooting a burglar over a toaster", forgetting what country youre in. C'mon man.....
So I simply made the point that there are things about other cultures that we dont understand but that doesnt mean they are stupid.
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I saw my first PJ sticker in MD/DC last week and tried hard to catch up with her but couldn't. Then again she might thought I was a crazy.
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
it was an in joke with Collin... he'll know what i meant by the toaster thing
Agreed. Very lame.
Well, that may be somewhat true. That means that politicians want you to place signs on your yard.... and doesn't mean the average person has to. Basicially, it doesn't take away the fact that someone (who places the signs in their yard) makes that decision themself (because it's their yard) and can therefore be described as being devisive towards those around them who disagree. Moreover, the people who vote for someone because someone down the street does probably should not be voting. Personally, I don't buy the theory. I understand why politicians would want to make people think it works, but I don't think the heavy majority of people vote based on signs.
But, even if what you said is true for local elections.... you started the thread talking about the Obama sign in your yard. That's not local my friend. Therefore, it's devisive. In a strange way, I personally belive you are asking for confrontation when you bring your own politics and put them on display for an entire neighborhood. It's like going into a party and starting to talk about who you are voting for or even dissing the opposition. Some of the people at the party might not like that, probably about 50%.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I also agree that I woulda said a lot more to this guy than was said. I'm not being smart... but if someone shares their views with me, I'll bloody share my views with them
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Yeah I agree it works both ways and I truly believe most people place signs in their yard to be devisive.
Also it becomes emotional as well, its like wearing a sweater with your favorite sports team on it, someone won't like it but why should you care because it always feels good when someone comes up to you and says "I like your shirt"
So if you're emotional about politics it's always good to meet others that share the same emotions... so the signs serve a purpose of communicating as well.
I think it's insulting that someone would believe I was at fault because i placed a political sign in my yard and it pissed someone else off...that's just plain dumb....
I would never be hateful and rude to someone souly based on the political sign in their yard ...that's just the epitome of ignorance....
so really the question I would pose would be...why should it matter and do you always make decisions based on what someone else might think???