In order for two people to debate, those two people must share a rational foundation. That would be impossible with Kucinich & Paul. It would be a total joke.
I'm not sure I get what you're saying. I don't think either of them are irrational.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
I think a Kucinich-Paul presidential race would result in the most substantive political debates since Lincoln debated Douglas. Too bad it's never going to happen :(
wow i was just thinking the same thing...........what are you talking about ffg?........they are the only two candidates actually trying to change things and are both very intelligent............i think it would be great fun............:)
wow i was just thinking the same thing...........what are you talking about ffg?........they are the only two candidates actually trying to change things and are both very intelligent............i think it would be great fun............:)
What in God's name is Kucinich "trying to change"??? He simply represents the near end-game of the direction this nation has been headed in for the last century.
In order for two people to debate, those two people must share a rational foundation. That would be impossible with Kucinich & Paul. It would be a total joke.
??? ffg, it isn't a debate if both candidates share exactly the same views. These two candidates are injecting promise and inspiration back into our elections. I'm surprised by your comment.
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
??? ffg, it isn't a debate if both candidates share exactly the same views. These two candidates are injecting promise and inspiration back into our elections. I'm surprised by your comment.
I'd certainly agree that both candidates are "injecting promise and inspiration" to a subset of the electorate. And I didn't suggest that both candidates need share similar views.
What in God's name is Kucinich "trying to change"??? He simply represents the near end-game of the direction this nation has been headed in for the last century.
you keep getting hillary and dennis confused.......:D.............seriously at this point in the game these two are the only ones i will give my vote for.......i understand your opinion of kusinich but after 20 years of bushes and clintons i want something else.........
In order for two people to debate, those two people must share a rational foundation. That would be impossible with Kucinich & Paul. It would be a total joke.
I kind a disagree. I'm not a Kucinich supporter but the man stands on his own and is not some party line puppet like the other Dem candidates. Paul and Kucinich may be completely different ideology wise but they are both passionate, intelligent, and what seems to be honorable men.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
you keep getting hillary and dennis confused.......:D.............seriously at this point in the game these two are the only ones i will give my vote for.......i understand your opinion of kusinich but after 20 years of bushes and clintons i want something else.........
Whether you vote for Kucinich or Ron Paul, please God don't do so because of someone other than Kucinich or Ron Paul.
I kind a disagree. I'm not a Kucinich supporter but the man stands on his own and is not some party line puppet like the other Dem candidates. Paul and Kucinich may be completely different ideology wise but they are both passionate, intelligent, and what seems to be honorable men.
Dennis Kucinich is certainly passionate. I'd agree with that.
fuck no i'd never do that...........just to let you know i've voted libertarian since 1992 so i think you know where my vote will probably go....
Ok...and that's cool. But if anyone's vote for Ron Paul was based only on a disdain for Kucinich, Obama, Bush, etc....I'd rather not have it. But that's just me.
Dennis Kucinich is certainly passionate. I'd agree with that.
I won't argue with you about whether or not he is intelligent ... I think that he is, clearly you do not ... but he IS honorable. I've followed his career since the 70s, I've met him several times, and I've had the opportunity to work with his office on different matters. When he tells you something, you can take it to the bank.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
Ok...and that's cool. But if anyone's vote for Ron Paul was based only on a disdain for Kucinich, Obama, Bush, etc....I'd rather not have it. But that's just me.
I'd certainly agree that both candidates are "injecting promise and inspiration" to a subset of the electorate. And I didn't suggest that both candidates need share similar views.
Well, I would think you would look forward to seeing Paul back up his positions against an equally intelligent, ground-roots type opponent. Really, debating is the only way to logically explain how your positions will benefit the country, as well as, pointing out why 'the other guy's' position won't. Don't you think your statement was premature? Unless you believe Kucinich might 'poke holes' in Paul's libertarian approach.
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
I won't argue with you about whether or not he is intelligent ... I think that he is, clearly you do not ... but he IS honorable. I've followed his career since the 70s, I've met him several times, and I've had the opportunity to work with his office on different matters. When he tells you something, you can take it to the bank.
Hehe...I'm sure you can definitely take what he tells you to the bank. The relationship between those words and that bank are very much where his dishonor lies.
Ok...and that's cool. But if anyone's vote for Ron Paul was based only on a disdain for Kucinich, Obama, Bush, etc....I'd rather not have it. But that's just me.
Well if it helps him win I'm not going to complain. I understand where you are coming from and would normaly agree but the positives would surely out weigh the negatives if people did vote for him because of that.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Well, I would think you would look forward to seeing Paul back up his positions against an equally intelligent, ground-roots type opponent. Really, debating is the only way to logically explain how your positions will benefit the country, as well as, pointing out why 'the other guy's' position won't. Don't you think your statement was premature? Unless you believe Kucinich might 'poke holes' in Paul's libertarian approach.
Debate implies logic, yes. That's why I said it would be effectively pointless.
Well if it helps him win I'm not going to complain. I understand where you are coming from and would normaly agree but the positives would surely out weigh the negatives if people did vote for him because of that.
Those positives do not outweigh the negatives. Mistaking enemies for allies is fatal, and someone who stands only against something will always be enemies to those who stand for something.
Hehe...I'm sure you can definitely take what he tells you to the bank. The relationship between those words and that bank are very much where his dishonor lies.
Oh, for heaven's sake .... it's an expression. Attempting to have a discussion with you really is more trouble than it's worth :rolleyes:
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
Those positives do not outweigh the negatives. Mistaking enemies for allies is fatal, and someone who stands only against something will always be enemies to those who stand for something.
Like I said I would normally agree with you but the more votes he gets, even if he does loose, will only shine the light a bit brighter on libertarianism which is a good thing (in my opinion at least). Republican and Democrat, at least current, ideology does not work. We need an alternative to the two and in my opinion Libertarianism is the right one and any postive exposure it receives will only aid the cause.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
ARLINGTON, VA ? Congressman Ron Paul's support has soared since the first Republican presidential debate. Conservative commentator John McLaughlin, host of ?The McLaughlin Group," cited Ron Paul as having given "the best performance of the debate." In fact, the Paul campaign's apparent strength has many other pundits scrambling to explain it. Paul campaign officials offer the following examples of the candidate's rising success.
Since the debate on May 3, Ron Paul:
1. Handily won two post-debate polls posted by event sponsor MSNBC.
2. Placed a close third (18%) in a post-debate poll on the conservative Drudge Report.
3. Won an ABCNews.com online debate poll with 84%.
4. Won a C-SPAN online GOP candidate poll with 69%.
5. Became the third most-mentioned person in the blogosphere, beating out Paris Hilton, according to the reputable Technorati.com.
6. Produced a YouTube.com video that was ranked the 8th most popular overall video, and the most-viewed political video.
7. Was featured, by popular demand, on the front of Digg.com.
8. Generated so many bulletin posts on MySpace.com that the site owner News Corp. blocked all additional posts about Dr. Paul.
9. Became a "most searched" term on Google and Yahoo!.
10. Saw a quadrupling of daily visitors to RonPaul2008.com.
"These figures speak for themselves," said campaign chairman Kent Snyder. "Ron Paul has quickly become a strong contender for the GOP nomination because of his powerful message of freedom and limited government."
Thank you for proving my point re: a Paul / Kucinich debate. This is exactly how that would go down as well.
Come on now ffg, what is exactly the intent of a debate then? You and I have very different ideologies, mine has some similarities to Kucinich, just as your ideology falls in line with Paul. By your logic here, you and I should give up discussing/debating anything.
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
Come on now ffg, what is exactly the intent of a debate then?
To determine truth, of course.
You and I have very different ideologies, mine has some similarities to Kucinich, just as your ideology falls in line with Paul. By your logic here, you and I should give up discussing/debating anything.
I don't agree with that. You are a rational person.
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wow i was just thinking the same thing...........what are you talking about ffg?........they are the only two candidates actually trying to change things and are both very intelligent............i think it would be great fun............:)
What in God's name is Kucinich "trying to change"??? He simply represents the near end-game of the direction this nation has been headed in for the last century.
??? ffg, it isn't a debate if both candidates share exactly the same views. These two candidates are injecting promise and inspiration back into our elections. I'm surprised by your comment.
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
I'd certainly agree that both candidates are "injecting promise and inspiration" to a subset of the electorate. And I didn't suggest that both candidates need share similar views.
you keep getting hillary and dennis confused.......:D.............seriously at this point in the game these two are the only ones i will give my vote for.......i understand your opinion of kusinich but after 20 years of bushes and clintons i want something else.........
I kind a disagree. I'm not a Kucinich supporter but the man stands on his own and is not some party line puppet like the other Dem candidates. Paul and Kucinich may be completely different ideology wise but they are both passionate, intelligent, and what seems to be honorable men.
Whether you vote for Kucinich or Ron Paul, please God don't do so because of someone other than Kucinich or Ron Paul.
Dennis Kucinich is certainly passionate. I'd agree with that.
fuck no i'd never do that...........just to let you know i've voted libertarian since 1992 so i think you know where my vote will probably go....
Ok...and that's cool. But if anyone's vote for Ron Paul was based only on a disdain for Kucinich, Obama, Bush, etc....I'd rather not have it. But that's just me.
totally agree
Well, I would think you would look forward to seeing Paul back up his positions against an equally intelligent, ground-roots type opponent. Really, debating is the only way to logically explain how your positions will benefit the country, as well as, pointing out why 'the other guy's' position won't. Don't you think your statement was premature? Unless you believe Kucinich might 'poke holes' in Paul's libertarian approach.
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
Hehe...I'm sure you can definitely take what he tells you to the bank. The relationship between those words and that bank are very much where his dishonor lies.
Well if it helps him win I'm not going to complain. I understand where you are coming from and would normaly agree but the positives would surely out weigh the negatives if people did vote for him because of that.
Debate implies logic, yes. That's why I said it would be effectively pointless.
Those positives do not outweigh the negatives. Mistaking enemies for allies is fatal, and someone who stands only against something will always be enemies to those who stand for something.
I agree. There are certainly parts of the libertarian platform that are not very logical.
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
Like I said I would normally agree with you but the more votes he gets, even if he does loose, will only shine the light a bit brighter on libertarianism which is a good thing (in my opinion at least). Republican and Democrat, at least current, ideology does not work. We need an alternative to the two and in my opinion Libertarianism is the right one and any postive exposure it receives will only aid the cause.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
May 8, 2007
ARLINGTON, VA ? Congressman Ron Paul's support has soared since the first Republican presidential debate. Conservative commentator John McLaughlin, host of ?The McLaughlin Group," cited Ron Paul as having given "the best performance of the debate." In fact, the Paul campaign's apparent strength has many other pundits scrambling to explain it. Paul campaign officials offer the following examples of the candidate's rising success.
Since the debate on May 3, Ron Paul:
1. Handily won two post-debate polls posted by event sponsor MSNBC.
2. Placed a close third (18%) in a post-debate poll on the conservative Drudge Report.
3. Won an ABCNews.com online debate poll with 84%.
4. Won a C-SPAN online GOP candidate poll with 69%.
5. Became the third most-mentioned person in the blogosphere, beating out Paris Hilton, according to the reputable Technorati.com.
6. Produced a YouTube.com video that was ranked the 8th most popular overall video, and the most-viewed political video.
7. Was featured, by popular demand, on the front of Digg.com.
8. Generated so many bulletin posts on MySpace.com that the site owner News Corp. blocked all additional posts about Dr. Paul.
9. Became a "most searched" term on Google and Yahoo!.
10. Saw a quadrupling of daily visitors to RonPaul2008.com.
"These figures speak for themselves," said campaign chairman Kent Snyder. "Ron Paul has quickly become a strong contender for the GOP nomination because of his powerful message of freedom and limited government."
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http://www.ronpaul2008.com
I'd be happy to address any perceived logical inconsistencies in Libertarian ideology, if you'd like.
Thank you for proving my point re: a Paul / Kucinich debate. This is exactly how that would go down as well.
Why don't you start a new thread about Libertarian ideology?
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
Come on now ffg, what is exactly the intent of a debate then? You and I have very different ideologies, mine has some similarities to Kucinich, just as your ideology falls in line with Paul. By your logic here, you and I should give up discussing/debating anything.
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
To determine truth, of course.
I don't agree with that. You are a rational person.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?p=4417820
Well, you certainly know how to turn on the charm, ffg.
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what would happen :rolleyes: