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MySpace Censoring Ron Paul Supporters?

edvedder3779edvedder3779 Posts: 65
edited May 2007 in A Moving Train
I haven't tried this myself yet, however, I thought it was worth posting anyway. Will update once I've given it a go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehhj-0JsKmA
"Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday."
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  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    That's fucked up. Myspace has been such a gift for getting information out there. It's really a shame to see this outlet getting censored, too.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • floyd1975floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    I don't see a big deal with this. And I actually like Ron Paul.
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    zstillings wrote:
    I don't see a big deal with this. And I actually like Ron Paul.


    Well for one, why are they doing this with Ron Paul supporters? I bulletin for Kucinich all the time and I receive Obama bulletins a lot as well.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • RushlimboRushlimbo Posts: 832
    zstillings wrote:
    I don't see a big deal with this.

    Censorship is no big deal, go figure.
    War is Peace
    Freedom is Slavery
    Ignorance is Strength
  • boxwine_in_hellboxwine_in_hell Posts: 1,263
    Who the hell is Ron Paul?
    one foot in the door
    the other foot in the gutter
    sweet smell that they adore
    I think I'd rather smother
    -The Replacements-
  • barakabaraka Posts: 1,268
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Well for one, why are they doing this with Ron Paul supporters? I bulletin for Kucinich all the time and I receive Obama bulletins a lot as well.

    That is strange. I think I'm going to use my husband account (he never uses it) and post a Ron Paul bulletin and see what happens.
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein
  • floyd1975floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Well for one, why are they doing this with Ron Paul supporters? I bulletin for Kucinich all the time and I receive Obama bulletins a lot as well.

    I don't really know why. He has about the same shot as Kucinich no matter what the bulletins say.

    Other than that, I don't see a problem with MySpace allowing and not allowing anything really. They won't really allow porn on that site either I don't think. The site can allow whatever it really wants since it is a private site that pays for its own bandwidth.

    Also, has anyone else tried this? One guy on youtube is not a conspiracy to keep Ron Paul down. Maybe some jackass supporters of his (not every supporter, but the kind that nobody really likes) were posting that bulletin from a bunch of accounts that weren't theirs and it was reported.

    There are a few possibilities for this. Overall though, it's not really protected speech anyway.
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    zstillings wrote:
    I don't really know why. He has about the same shot as Kucinich no matter what the bulletins say.

    Other than that, I don't see a problem with MySpace allowing and not allowing anything really. They won't really allow porn on that site either I don't think. The site can allow whatever it really wants since it is a private site that pays for its own bandwidth.

    Also, has anyone else tried this? One guy on youtube is not a conspiracy to keep Ron Paul down. Maybe some jackass supporters of his (not every supporter, but the kind that nobody really likes) were posting that bulletin from a bunch of accounts that weren't theirs and it was reported.

    There are a few possibilities for this. Overall though, it's not really protected speech anyway.

    I have a few Ron Paul supporters on my friends list and they are all bulletining the same complaint with censorship. I'm aware it's not protected by law but it is censorship nonetheless. I'm just wondering what the reasoning is. Maybe the recent success he's been showing has something to do with it?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • barakabaraka Posts: 1,268
    Well, I posted a 'Support Ron Paul' bulletin with my husbands account and nothing odd happened, at least not yet. I also see the bulletin post on my page.
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    I wonder if this was an attempt by a Ron Paul supporter to get a bunch of people to post Ron Paul bulletins just to see what happens.

    Kinda clever, I think :D
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • HoonHoon Posts: 175
    it feeds their paranoia too. The video isn't necessarily real. I do take any censorship seriously though.
    If you keep yourself as the final arbiter you will be less susceptible to infection from cultural illusion.
  • barakabaraka Posts: 1,268
    hippiemom wrote:
    I wonder if this was an attempt by a Ron Paul supporter to get a bunch of people to post Ron Paul bulletins just to see what happens.

    Kinda clever, I think :D

    Ha ha. Clever indeed if that's the case. Unfortunately for Ron Paul, my husband's bulletin only went to me, oh and Tom.
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    baraka wrote:
    Ha ha. Clever indeed if that's the case. Unfortunately for Ron Paul, my husband's bulletin only went to me, oh and Tom.


    I try so hard not be so cynical in this world...and see where it gets me! :D:p
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • barakabaraka Posts: 1,268
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I try so hard not be so cynical in this world...and see where it gets me! :D:p

    Don't ever change that non-cynical outlook, abook! :)
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    I didn't have time to watch a video, but this kind of stuff has been happening at a lot of sites. Ron has a huge amount of Internet support since he has been a long-time adversary of government regulation of the internet. Because of this, a lot of technical people have been using systems to try to make blanket appeals and affect the outcome of polls. For example, ABC left Ron off of their post-debate poll and, after receiving complaints, this is what happened after they added him:

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/BeSeenBeHeard/popup?id=3135373

    ;)

    So this puts the providers in a tough spot. I really don't blame myspace if they're trying to prevent people from gaming their systems. It's just sad since Ron isn't going to get much mainstream media attention and the Internet is the main place for him to get the word out.
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    boxwine_in_hell wrote:
    Who the hell is Ron Paul?

    Ignorance is bliss, apparently.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • HoonHoon Posts: 175
    Ah yes I was just going to add this about the RP poll problem. That and having all the candidates from all parties listed has been a problem. Especially a few months ago.

    farfromglorified wrote:
    I didn't have time to watch a video, but this kind of stuff has been happening at a lot of sites. Ron has a huge amount of Internet support since he has been a long-time adversary of government regulation of the internet. Because of this, a lot of technical people have been using systems to try to make blanket appeals and affect the outcome of polls. For example, ABC left Ron off of their post-debate poll and, after receiving complaints, this is what happened after they added him:

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/BeSeenBeHeard/popup?id=3135373

    ;)

    So this puts the providers in a tough spot. I really don't blame myspace if they're trying to prevent people from gaming their systems. It's just sad since Ron isn't going to get much mainstream media attention and the Internet is the main place for him to get the word out.
    If you keep yourself as the final arbiter you will be less susceptible to infection from cultural illusion.
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    boxwine_in_hell wrote:
    Who the hell is Ron Paul?

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=242972
  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    boxwine_in_hell wrote:
    Who the hell is Ron Paul?

    your next president........:)
  • edvedder3779edvedder3779 Posts: 65
    hippiemom wrote:
    I wonder if this was an attempt by a Ron Paul supporter to get a bunch of people to post Ron Paul bulletins just to see what happens.

    Kinda clever, I think :D

    Damn...you're on to me. :D

    Well...I tried it myself and didn't have any problems that I could see. I've logged back on maybe once an hour since and everything seems to be OK. Thanks to anyone who tried it themselves, didn't mean to cause a stir.

    And, while I am a fervent believer in RP's candicacy, I can't think of a better opponent for him to run against than Kucinich. I disagree with his gun ban proposals, but the repeal of the Patriot Act, withdrawing from Iraq, NAFTA, WTO are issues that I can get behind.

    The debate between the two would at least be one of substance, not the hollow & insincere drivel dripping from HilOba MittCain's mouths....
    "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday."
    -The Duke
  • boxwine_in_hellboxwine_in_hell Posts: 1,263
    farfromglorified wrote:
    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=242972

    Thanks. I've been getting McCain and Guiliani shoved down my throat so I must have missed Ron Paul.
    one foot in the door
    the other foot in the gutter
    sweet smell that they adore
    I think I'd rather smother
    -The Replacements-
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    boxwine_in_hell wrote:
    Thanks. I've been getting McCain and Guiliani shoved down my throat so I must have missed Ron Paul.

    No problem. FYI....Ron Paul is probably the only candidate in the entire race that isn't interested in shoving things down your throat.
  • BrinkofForeverBrinkofForever Posts: 373
    I think the video was misleading. More than likely there was some sort of javascript or code in the bulletin that got his account in trouble. Funny how even in fullscreen you couldn't read the code.
    Make your life a mission - not an intermission. - Arnold Gasglow
  • floyd1975floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    farfromglorified wrote:
    No problem. FYI....Ron Paul is probably the only candidate in the entire race that isn't interested in shoving things down your throat.

    It seems like his supporters are becoming that way though. It's sad really. I do like Ron Paul a lot. His supporters are going to the extreme though in their online tactics. More conventional methods could probably help him get his message out without looking like a conspiracy nut.
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    zstillings wrote:
    It seems like his supporters are becoming that way though. It's sad really. I do like Ron Paul a lot. His supporters are going to the extreme though in their online tactics. More conventional methods could probably help him get his message out without looking like a conspiracy nut.

    I totally agree. Some of the supporters are very fervent and take things a bit far with their actions, particularly the prisonplanet idiots. This myspace thing is probably a good example of where they've taken things too far and hurt the cause more than they help it.

    But it's tough to fault Ron for the actions of others, and the "conventional methods" aren't exactly open to him either.
  • floyd1975floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    farfromglorified wrote:
    I totally agree. Some of the supporters are very fervent and take things a bit far with their actions, particularly the prisonplanet idiots. This myspace thing is probably a good example of where they've taken things too far and hurt the cause more than they help it.

    But it's tough to fault Ron for the actions of others, and the "conventional methods" aren't exactly open to him either.

    I don't fault Ron Paul for it at all. I just kind of cringe at the image it creates for him.
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    Brink wrote:
    I think the video was misleading. More than likely there was some sort of javascript or code in the bulletin that got his account in trouble. Funny how even in fullscreen you couldn't read the code.
    And the comments posted in regards to the video hint or overtly say something like this. Not to mention numerous people responded commenting that they were able to send out bulletins re: him, just fine.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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    Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    edvedder3779 wrote:
    Damn...you're on to me. :D

    Well...I tried it myself and didn't have any problems that I could see. I've logged back on maybe once an hour since and everything seems to be OK. Thanks to anyone who tried it themselves, didn't mean to cause a stir.

    And, while I am a fervent believer in RP's candicacy, I can't think of a better opponent for him to run against than Kucinich. I disagree with his gun ban proposals, but the repeal of the Patriot Act, withdrawing from Iraq, NAFTA, WTO are issues that I can get behind.

    The debate between the two would at least be one of substance, not the hollow & insincere drivel dripping from HilOba MittCain's mouths....
    I think a Kucinich-Paul presidential race would result in the most substantive political debates since Lincoln debated Douglas. Too bad it's never going to happen :(
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    zstillings wrote:
    I don't fault Ron Paul for it at all. I just kind of cringe at the image it creates for him.

    Totally. The hardest part of being a fringe candidate is convincing people you're better than a fringe candidate. This kind of crap just makes it even harder.
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    hippiemom wrote:
    I think a Kucinich-Paul presidential race would result in the most substantive political debates since Lincoln debated Douglas. Too bad it's never going to happen :(

    In order for two people to debate, those two people must share a rational foundation. That would be impossible with Kucinich & Paul. It would be a total joke.
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