PETA members

halv

Ahnimus wrote:

I wish I had the time right now to prove you wrong but I don't. So you are going to have to wait, remind me later to post the appropriate proof.

For now, a lot of what I've said is consolidated in this video:
http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=penn+teller+peta

My idiot laptop won't play the video, but I was able to find some rough transcripts of the show. Listen, we all have our opinions. Some people find PETA extreme. Just as many credit PETA for being the ones who opened their eyes to the cruelty we inflict upon other animals. Just like any cause there are various organisations in the animal welfare movement, many who get their message out differently. PETA just gets all the attention. However, Penn and Teller were quick to point out that they are FOR humane treatment of animals and that episode is just about PETA, not animal rights as a whole. I visited PETA and can tell you everybody there was amazing. If you are ever near Norfolk call and ask for a tour, they'll gladly show you around. But even better would be to visit a farm sanctuary. Go spend some time with these animals. Watch how they react to you, are inquisitive and playful, and then tell me it's ok to murder them out of pure gluttony. It's easy to forget they are individuals. Hey, I ate meat for 28 years!! I used to wonder how anybody could not eat meat. Then I decided to look into it a little more. Now I'm a vegan. I've never been healthier (my IBS is gone), eating is fun, and I'm not supporting cruelty or these horrible factory farms.
And it's much more fun to go to a park or forest and see wildlife run by then to shoot it dead. It's just a more positive way to live.
http://www.veganoutreach.org/whyvegan/
http://www.farmsanctuary.org/
(if you visit the farm sanctuary site read about the Airline Cargo disaster turkeys. My wife and I met them alast week when visiting the farm and they are the cutest things ever. They follow you everywhere, make these weird chirping sounds to get you to pet them, and peck at shiny things like rings and watches. Adorable)

Ahnimus

We are all mutli-celled oraganisms, of course any organism would want to protect it's self. Fact is death and pain are a part of nature. It would be nice to not have them. But it's nature. I watched a full documentary on slaughtering pork and making Blutwurst/Blood Sausage. I'm not unaware, I just see it as a part of nature. We are the dominant species, if it were one of them, they'd be slaughtering us. If we don't farm animals then the animals never exist to begin with. Our species would use the land and resources for something completely different. It wouldn't be used as a playground for animals. It would be a big corporate skyscraper.

The documentary I watched. They take pigs and inject something to their brain. They die instantly. I'm not sure if it was just a dagger type thing that punctured the brain. The organism goes into shock and doesn't feel anything anyway, assuming it didnt' die instantly. It'd be like a near-death experience, a dream.

I think a cat is the most desirable pet. People say cats are smart. I think they just do what is best for them. If they stick around, you feed them, you pet them. They wouldn't give that up. They don't care about their owners. They just care about themselves. It's apparent in everything they do.

A plant is an organism as well. It strives to live and people slaughter them. Farm them. They bleed. They die. It's nature. You can't survive without killing something.

brain of c

Corey Erven wrote:

Anyone a PETA member in here?

Are you vegetarian?

people eating tasty animals

Puck78

Ahnimus wrote:

We are all mutli-celled oraganisms, of course any organism would want to protect it's self. Fact is death and pain are a part of nature. It would be nice to not have them. But it's nature. I watched a full documentary on slaughtering pork and making Blutwurst/Blood Sausage. I'm not unaware, I just see it as a part of nature. We are the dominant species, if it were one of them, they'd be slaughtering us. If we don't farm animals then the animals never exist to begin with. Our species would use the land and resources for something completely different. It wouldn't be used as a playground for animals. It would be a big corporate skyscraper.

The documentary I watched. They take pigs and inject something to their brain. They die instantly. I'm not sure if it was just a dagger type thing that punctured the brain. The organism goes into shock and doesn't feel anything anyway, assuming it didnt' die instantly. It'd be like a near-death experience, a dream.

I think a cat is the most desirable pet. People say cats are smart. I think they just do what is best for them. If they stick around, you feed them, you pet them. They wouldn't give that up. They don't care about their owners. They just care about themselves. It's apparent in everything they do.

You forget that some of us are sensible and don't feel to eat killed animals. If you don't care, just ignore peta's message and don't try to convert us into eating meat.

Ahnimus wrote:

A plant is an organism as well. It strives to live and people slaughter them. Farm them. They bleed. They die. It's nature. You can't survive without killing something.

I hope that you're joking. Ever heard of "central nervous system"?

Ahnimus

Puck78 wrote:

I hope that you're joking. Ever heard of "central nervous system"?

Yes, I thought I clearly acknowledged pain as a part of nature.

Puck78

Ahnimus wrote:

Yes, I thought I clearly acknowledged pain as a part of nature.

I'll tell you now something new (new for you): plants don't have a central nervous system

brain of c

Puck78 wrote:

I'll tell you now something new (new for you): plants don't have a central nervous system

they make ME nervous.......

Ahnimus

Puck78 wrote:

I'll tell you now something new (new for you): plants don't have a central nervous system

Wow, that was a pretty condescending statement. Some people believe each individual cell has a level of consciousness and pain. Even a single-celled organism will react to negative stimuli or a threat.
http://stevenharris.com/theory/040.htm

Jammin909

I was handed a brochure once telling me not to eat meat becuase many animals are mistreated.

One of the examples used said that during the transport of the animals they had to endure cold temperatures.

Uhh...dont they live outside to begin with?

Puck78

Jammin909 wrote:

I was handed a brochure once telling me not to eat meat becuase many animals are mistreated.

One of the examples used said that during the transport of the animals they had to endure cold temperatures.

Uhh...dont they live outside to begin with?

Next one, please.
(Kat, I'm joking, don't ban me, please)

Jammin909

Puck78 wrote:

Next one, please.
(Kat, I'm joking, don't ban me, please)

say what?????

halv

Jammin909 wrote:

I was handed a brochure once telling me not to eat meat becuase many animals are mistreated.

One of the examples used said that during the transport of the animals they had to endure cold temperatures.

Uhh...dont they live outside to begin with?

These animals can be in the back of those trucks for up to 3 days without food or water. They can be shipped through horrendous cold or heat during that time. Cows and pigs don't have thick fur coats like some animals and need to be able to shelter themselves in freezing temperatures. There's a book called Slaughterhouse by Gail Eisnitz that interviews many different people who work in the animal slaughter industry. They openly discuss how sometimes the animals will literally freeze to the metal in the back of the truck. The workers then tear the animal off the metal, leaving flesh behind, to get it loose. This is just one of thousands of examples. The interent is full of video of meat industry workers torturing animals for fun. Beating a pig for over an hour, ripping chickens heads off while alive, dragging downed cows around by chains and tractors.
Plus people talk about humane living conditions for animals before being killed, but there's no such thing as humane slaughter. I'm not sure what show you watched but the large majority of pigs aren't put to sleep peacefully with a needle. The slaughter is a terrifying and painful ordeal for them. And let me stress this....unneccesary!!! We don't need to.
Click on this link for some excerpts from the book:
http://www.meat.org.uk/slaught.html

BarkingDogs

Riverrunner wrote:

I am a member of PETA and a vegetarian. There are three reasons for my being vegetarian:

3. Health. Humans are not carnivores. Humans are omnivores, which means we do not require meat to live. The consumption of such large amounts of meat by Americans account for a lot of health issues in this country.

I have been a member of PETA for many, many years too. Their heart is in the right place and they have been very successful with many campaigns. That is why I give money to them. Sometimes I question the efficacy of some of their tactics, but overall I think they are a great organization that is making change.... or at least making people think about making change.

Not trying to piss anyone off here, but here is a little tidbit
From Websters:

Main Entry: om·niv·o·rous
Pronunciation: äm-'niv-r&s, -'ni-v&-
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin omnivorus, from omni- + -vorus -vorous
1 : feeding on both animal and vegetable substances
2 : avidly taking in everything as if devouring or consuming <an omnivorous reader>
- om·niv·o·rous·ly adverb

So, yes you are correct, humans are omnivores...requiring both meat and veggies to sustain a healthy life.

Ever check out your teeth...Humans, who are omnivores (eaters of plants and animal tissue), have teeth that belong, functionally and structurally, somewhere between the extremes of specialization attained by the teeth of carnivores and herbivores.

So, I wonder why we have incisors (lateral and central) and canine teeth (for tearing of meat) right up front in our mouth if we arent meant to eat meat? Why dont we just have a mouth full of molars for grinding veggies(like cows and horses)?

The protein in meat often has a high biological quality compared to many plant foods. Some processed forms of meat tend to have a lower protein quality than the fresh counterparts but still generally higher than plant foods. Meat protein contains all the essential amino acids in the correct proportions required by the body for optimum growth of lean, calorie burning tissue.

MMMMM...just some food for thought...

And as as far as PETA goes...ever check out their shoes / belts/ purses when they are out there terrorizing the the meat packing plants?

Which vegetable is it again that leather comes from?.....

Y'all have great day and enjoy your carrots.

tybird

halv wrote:

These animals can be in the back of those trucks for up to 3 days without food or water. They can be shipped through horrendous cold or heat during that time. Cows and pigs don't have thick fur coats like some animals and need to be able to shelter themselves in freezing temperatures. There's a book called Slaughterhouse by Gail Eisnitz that interviews many different people who work in the animal slaughter industry. They openly discuss how sometimes the animals will literally freeze to the metal in the back of the truck. The workers then tear the animal off the metal, leaving flesh behind, to get it loose. This is just one of thousands of examples. The interent is full of video of meat industry workers torturing animals for fun. Beating a pig for over an hour, ripping chickens heads off while alive, dragging downed cows around by chains and tractors.
Plus people talk about humane living conditions for animals before being killed, but there's no such thing as humane slaughter. I'm not sure what show you watched but the large majority of pigs aren't put to sleep peacefully with a needle. The slaughter is a terrifying and painful ordeal for them. And let me stress this....unneccesary!!! We don't need to.
Click on this link for some excerpts from the book:
http://www.meat.org.uk/slaught.html

That's why they build chicken processing plants all over the poultry producing region........so they can make the suckers stay in the chicken truck for three days :rolleyes:

rebornFixer

NakedClown wrote:

This is going to be juvenile on my part...

People Eating Tasty Animals...

I know I should be understanding, but if there is "segment" of our society I unabashedly love to give shit to, it's vegetarians...

Hey... I could be worse... I could be racist instead, right?

Whatever ... It made me laugh.

rebornFixer

And yes, "omnivore" means eating both meat and plants. If you don't need meat to survive, you're herbivorous.

halv

BarkingDogs wrote:

Not trying to piss anyone off here, but here is a little tidbit
From Websters:

Main Entry: om·niv·o·rous
Pronunciation: äm-'niv-r&s, -'ni-v&-
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin omnivorus, from omni- + -vorus -vorous
1 : feeding on both animal and vegetable substances
2 : avidly taking in everything as if devouring or consuming <an omnivorous reader>
- om·niv·o·rous·ly adverb

So, yes you are correct, humans are omnivores...requiring both meat and veggies to sustain a healthy life.

Ever check out your teeth...Humans, who are omnivores (eaters of plants and animal tissue), have teeth that belong, functionally and structurally, somewhere between the extremes of specialization attained by the teeth of carnivores and herbivores.

So, I wonder why we have incisors (lateral and central) and canine teeth (for tearing of meat) right up front in our mouth if we arent meant to eat meat? Why dont we just have a mouth full of molars for grinding veggies(like cows and horses)?


And as as far as PETA goes...ever check out their shoes / belts/ purses when they are out there terrorizing the the meat packing plants?

Which vegetable is it again that leather comes from?.....

Y'all have great day and enjoy your carrots.

I can't speak for everybody who shows up at demonstrations, but when I visited PETA nobody wears anything animal related. Strictly vegan policy. I have met some people who are vegetarians wearing leather belts or shoes, but each time they've told me that those items were purchased before they made the connection between fashion and cruelty. They told me they would never purchase animal products again. That's just my experience. For some people it takes time to get away from all animal products. You become an educated consumer rather than a blind one which is another benefit.

I've also read a differing opinion about human teeth. This study showed some differences between us and true carnivores. The first is the human jaws ability to go side-to-side as well as up and down. Animal carnivores only go up and down. As well these so called "dog teeth" are much smaller and less sharp then other animal carnivores. This study said our teeth are designed more for grinding, not tearing, which is needed for flesh.
As well animal carnivores have intestinal tracts about 1/3 of the length that humans do in proportion to size.
In then end though it doesn't really matter. What matters is our ability to recognise that we don't need to kill other animals to survive. That we can choose not to put another being through misery, pain and fear just because they happen to taste good.
If humans overrode all morals and ethics for the pure benefit of pleasure this world would be a much nastier place to live.

"Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution. Until we stop hurting all other living beings we are still savages"- Thomas Edison

"But for the sake of some little mouthful of flesh we deprive a soul of the sun and light, and of that proportion of life and time it had been born into the world to enjoy"- Plutarch A.D. 46-120

Ahnimus

halv wrote:

"But for the sake of some little mouthful of flesh we deprive a soul of the sun and light, and of that proportion of life and time it had been born into the world to enjoy"- Plutarch A.D. 46-120

You can't even prove humans have souls, good luck proving hedgehogs have them too.

halv

Ahnimus wrote:

You can't even prove humans have souls, good luck proving hedgehogs have them too.

I'm pretty sure he was just using souls as a reference to another another life. Substitute "soul" for "another" and read it again.

Ahnimus

halv wrote:

I'm pretty sure he was just using souls as a reference to another another life. Substitute "soul" for "another" and read it again.

Do you kill worms that infect your pet?

Worms/Parasites are alive, they are living organisms, probably with a nervous system of some sort, and do you kill them or let your pet die?