PETA members

old and in the way

no, this is not true, it is eventually a personal feeling. I raised my grandmother's chikens and when she slaughtered them it was surely shoking for me

Yes Puck78 so very true, the whole issue is personal and individual, as it should be. Just having some fun with it, I hated those things at Grandmas when I was a kid though.

know1

I am very much an animal lover, and very much a PETA hater.

Ahnimus

PETA funds ALF which fire-bombs animal shelters. The main reason I don't like PETA, they are a terrorism sponsoring organization.

The Chair of PETA also takes medication that was discovered through animal testing, which she so adimantly opposes. She claims that it's ok for her to take the medication because she is saving animal lives. All other people should just die.

There is asbolutely nothing wrong with eating meat and the methods we use to farm meat is above humane. In the animal world and humans ancient past the act of killing and eating other animals is far more disturbing.

I personally don't like meat, I've gone through a transformation in my life. I used to love meat and beef and chicken were my favourite. After learning about parasites my opinion started to shift. Now I often become disgusted while eating meat and if prepared myself I often throw most of it out.

However, my situation is entirely psychological and I am trying to reverse my perception of eating meat. There is nothing wrong with it, but perhaps it isn't for everyone. As far as the humanity of it, well it's entirely human. What would be less humane is having pets. Retaining animals solely as a source of entertainment and domination. But I don't oppose having pets either.

If you were face to face with a cougar in the wild, it would rip your head off and feast on your entrails.

Arainea

hippiemom wrote:

I've been a vegetarian for around 12 years now, but I don't support PETA. I share most of their beliefs, but I have serious issues with the way they conduct their campaigns. The "meat is child abuse" billboards, for example ... even if you agree that meat is not good for children, how can you possibly think that calling people child abusers is going to win them over to your side? It's a very poor PR tactic, it alienates your target audience. Same thing with splattering fur-wearing people with red paint ... not only is it juvenile (not to mention criminal), but the natural instinct is to sympathize with the person who was attacked and had their clothing destroyed. They'd have much more success, I think, if they stuck with educating people about the inhumane treatment of animals and dropped their bullying tactics.

I'm with you here. I've been a vegetarian for 35 of my 37 years. I was briefly a PETA member in the early 90s but I got really turned off when they had people like Naomi Campbell doing their anti-fur campaign....BUT SHE EATS MEAT! That's just stupid.

he still stands

Arainea wrote:

I'm with you here. I've been a vegetarian for 35 of my 37 years. I was briefly a PETA member in the early 90s but I got really turned off when they had people like Naomi Campbell doing their anti-fur campaign....BUT SHE EATS MEAT! That's just stupid.

Thank goodness there are people with common sense in here.

Last time I participated in a discussion about PETA here I was ridiculed for saying many of the same things about this organization. My stance is that if you don't want to eat meat... fine. In fact, if you want to tell me why you *think* I shouldn't eat meat... fine, I'll listen. But PETA takes this WAY too far and, frankly, I'm dissappointed that Pearl Jam supports them.

tybird

Ahnimus wrote:

I personally don't like meat, I've gone through a transformation in my life. I used to love meat and beef and chicken were my favourite. After learning about parasites my opinion started to shift. Now I often become disgusted while eating meat and if prepared myself I often throw most of it out.

I guess that you don't want to hear about nematodes that live in many of the plants that we consume.

Ahnimus

tybird wrote:

I guess that you don't want to hear about nematodes that live in many of the plants that we consume.

Well, I've come to realize that everything is contaminated in some way.

I've knowingly consumed insects, dirts and other things that have not harmed me in the slightest. So as I said, my perspective is shifting back.

Parasites are only a problem if the meat is not cooked properly. Most people don't get parasites from eating meat either. They usually get them from kissing their pets or allowing their pets to lick them. They can also get them from squishing fleas with their fingers and then putting their fingers in or near their mouth.

Cosmo

I'm a vaginaterian.

tybird

Ahnimus wrote:

Well, I've come to realize that everything is contaminated in some way.

I've knowingly consumed insects, dirts and other things that have not harmed me in the slightest. So as I said, my perspective is shifting back.

Parasites are only a problem if the meat is not cooked properly. Most people don't get parasites from eating meat either. They usually get them from kissing their pets or allowing their pets to lick them. They can also get them from squishing fleas with their fingers and then putting their fingers in or near their mouth.

Don't ever eat freshwater sushi..................there is not a lot known about nematodes in many cases.

Ahnimus

tybird wrote:

Don't ever eat freshwater sushi..................there is not a lot known about nematodes in many cases.

I'm not really a fan of sushi

tybird

Ahnimus wrote:

Well, I've come to realize that everything is contaminated in some way.

I've knowingly consumed insects, dirts and other things that have not harmed me in the slightest. So as I said, my perspective is shifting back.

Parasites are only a problem if the meat is not cooked properly. Most people don't get parasites from eating meat either. They usually get them from kissing their pets or allowing their pets to lick them. They can also get them from squishing fleas with their fingers and then putting their fingers in or near their mouth.

Parasites are nearly impossible to avoid.........like avoiding bacteria completely is nearly impossible.

I need to remember that about squishing fleas...........I am a Champion killer of fleas, and that is my preferred method.

Ahnimus

tybird wrote:

Parasites are nearly impossible to avoid.........like avoiding bacteria completely is nearly impossible.

I need to remember that about squishing fleas...........I am a Champion killer of fleas, and that is my preferred method.

I know, Bacteria doesn't bother me. I eat it all the time. It's good.

The problem with Parasites especially beef worms. Is that they create little pockets in the muscle tissue where they make home. Often when I am cutting into a steak I see a little pocket, looks like a vein at first, but then I realize it's probably home to a parasite. Then I lose my appetite.

tybird

Ahnimus wrote:

I know, Bacteria doesn't bother me. I eat it all the time. It's good.

The problem with Parasites especially beef worms. Is that they create little pockets in the muscle tissue where they make home. Often when I am cutting into a steak I see a little pocket, looks like a vein at first, but then I realize it's probably home to a parasite. Then I lose my appetite.

You're overthinking.......many of the parasitic worms found in the muscles of animals were still in a larval stage prior to the death of the host. The cow, sheep or pig was an intermediate host, not the final host. Parasites can't make a living hanging around in muscles. They need to be in a host's digestive or circulatory system. Cooking the muscles (meat) destroys/kills the larval stage of the parasite.

One can also pick up parasites of several types by eating raw vegetables that have not been properly cleaned.

halv

Ahnimus wrote:

PETA funds ALF which fire-bombs animal shelters. The main reason I don't like PETA, they are a terrorism sponsoring organization.

The Chair of PETA also takes medication that was discovered through animal testing, which she so adimantly opposes. She claims that it's ok for her to take the medication because she is saving animal lives. All other people should just die.

There is asbolutely nothing wrong with eating meat and the methods we use to farm meat is above humane. In the animal world and humans ancient past the act of killing and eating other animals is far more disturbing.

I personally don't like meat, I've gone through a transformation in my life. I used to love meat and beef and chicken were my favourite. After learning about parasites my opinion started to shift. Now I often become disgusted while eating meat and if prepared myself I often throw most of it out.

However, my situation is entirely psychological and I am trying to reverse my perception of eating meat. There is nothing wrong with it, but perhaps it isn't for everyone. As far as the humanity of it, well it's entirely human. What would be less humane is having pets. Retaining animals solely as a source of entertainment and domination. But I don't oppose having pets either.

If you were face to face with a cougar in the wild, it would rip your head off and feast on your entrails.

I'm a PETA supporter as well, but they are obviously not for everybody. There are hundreds of animal rights organizations out there who operate with different tactics, but they all share the same goal of stopping animal suffering, cruelty and exploitation. A few worth checking out are the Farm Sanctuary, Vegan Outreach and Compassion Over Killing. I visited PETA's headquarters a few weeks ago, anybody can arrange a tour at anytime. Truly amazing passionate people.
But the reason I replied to this post was:
1) PETA does not fund the ALF. The ALF is not an organized group. They don't have members or meetings. Anybody who liberates animals can claim to be with the ALF. And they have NEVER firebombed animal shelters...ever. That is just ridiculous. They have caused damage and destruction to labs and facilities that experiement on animals and put them through lives of misery. How can one defend people who purposely and needlessy torture and kill an innocent life but condemn those who vandalize to save those lives. In the history of actions taken on behald of the ALF no person or animal has ever been injured.

2) PETA's "chair" does not take or defend taking medication tested on animals. Please don't just make things up.

3) Your comments on the current methods of "farming" meat being "above humane" is obviously just very uneducated. For the most part these animals live horribly unnatural and often brutally painful lives. 10 minutes researching this on the internet will prove it. If you want a first hand account visit your local egg or veal farmer.


Someone else mentioned vegans take massive supplements to get the nutrition they are missing from not eating meat or dairy. This is completely unnecessary if they are eating a balanced diet. A vegan gets all the nutrition they need no problem. B12 is pretty much the only vitamin they need to look out for, but it's almost always in soy milks, cereals, etc. Plus you get this highly nutritous diet minus the cholestorol and massive amount of animal fats. It really is the best way of eating...and guilt free!

Ahnimus

halv wrote:

I'm a PETA supporter as well, but they are obviously not for everybody. There are hundreds of animal rights organizations out there who operate with different tactics, but they all share the same goal of stopping animal suffering, cruelty and exploitation. A few worth checking out are the Farm Sanctuary, Vegan Outreach and Compassion Over Killing. I visited PETA's headquarters a few weeks ago, anybody can arrange a tour at anytime. Truly amazing passionate people.
But the reason I replied to this post was:
1) PETA does not fund the ALF. The ALF is not an organized group. They don't have members or meetings. Anybody who liberates animals can claim to be with the ALF. And they have NEVER firebombed animal shelters...ever. That is just ridiculous. They have caused damage and destruction to labs and facilities that experiement on animals and put them through lives of misery. How can one defend people who purposely and needlessy torture and kill an innocent life but condemn those who vandalize to save those lives. In the history of actions taken on behald of the ALF no person or animal has ever been injured.

2) PETA's "chair" does not take or defend taking medication tested on animals. Please don't just make things up.

3) Your comments on the current methods of "farming" meat being "above humane" is obviously just very uneducated. For the most part these animals live horribly unnatural and often brutally painful lives. 10 minutes researching this on the internet will prove it. If you want a first hand account visit your local egg or veal farmer.


Someone else mentioned vegans take massive supplements to get the nutrition they are missing from not eating meat or dairy. This is completely unnecessary if they are eating a balanced diet. A vegan gets all the nutrition they need no problem. B12 is pretty much the only vitamin they need to look out for, but it's almost always in soy milks, cereals, etc. Plus you get this highly nutritous diet minus the cholestorol and massive amount of animal fats. It really is the best way of eating...and guilt free!

I wish I had the time right now to prove you wrong but I don't. So you are going to have to wait, remind me later to post the appropriate proof.

For now, a lot of what I've said is consolidated in this video:
http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=penn+teller+peta

Ahnimus

Ok, Sorry, it wasn't the chair, it was someone else.

"Even if animal research resulted in a cure for AIDS, we'd be against it."- Ingrid Newkirk Co-Founder of PETA, and Mary-Beth Sweetland (a diabetic who uses insulin gathered from animal sources to control her disease): She concedes that her medicine "still contains some animal products -- and I have no qualms about it ... I don't see myself as a hypocrite. I need my life to fight for the rights of animals"

This is a pretty old story, but here is one source http://www.frizzensparks.com/archives/000218.html

Ahnimus

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5097245970111922287&q=peta

See this is how PETA is. Really fucking condescending. Some of their reasons to be a vegetarian sound good, but none are based in fact and one in particular is really fucking dumb "because it takes a small person to beat an animal and an even smaller one to eat it"

It's called the damn food chain. All through history people and animals have killed and eaten each other. Is it cruel when your cute little kitten beats up a spider or a mouse? Is it cruel when your cat slaughters a whole family of rabbits? Is it cruel when lions slaughter zebras and so on?

Here is some cute kittens chomping on the raw still breathing flesh of a zebra
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-6640507172710532092&q=lion+zebra

Ahnimus

Question:

What does a PETA member do when their pet gets heart worms?

Kill the worms?

sourdough

I am not a vegetarian, but I will be one day... maybe. I've tried and failed a couple of times. My problem with eating meat is more to do with the amount of land it takes to produce meat which could otherwise be more wisely used (or NOT used which would be even better). The amount of environmental damage is my major beef with the meat industry along with the inhumane treatment of animals in factory farms. Environmental reasons aside, I have no problem with free range organic meat farms. Factory farms have dispicable conditions for animals which are unnecessary. As for eating them goes, I don't have a problem with it. Cows, pigs, chickens etc, the are artificial creations of man. That doesn't give us the right to torture them, but I have more concern about protecting wild animals.

I do not have a problem with hunting except when it is merely for trophies and fur. This is because I disagree with waste, but I enjoy legally killed game and have no ethical issues whatsoever with hunting for food. I'm not a hunter, but I would like to hunt at least once in my life.

halv

Ahnimus wrote:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5097245970111922287&q=peta

See this is how PETA is. Really fucking condescending. Some of their reasons to be a vegetarian sound good, but none are based in fact and one in particular is really fucking dumb "because it takes a small person to beat an animal and an even smaller one to eat it"

It's called the damn food chain. All through history people and animals have killed and eaten each other. Is it cruel when your cute little kitten beats up a spider or a mouse? Is it cruel when your cat slaughters a whole family of rabbits? Is it cruel when lions slaughter zebras and so on?

Here is some cute kittens chomping on the raw still breathing flesh of a zebra
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-6640507172710532092&q=lion+zebra

Here's the difference, and it's pretty simple. Humans don't NEED to kill other animals to survive. We don't need to eat their flesh to be healthy and live quality lives. Some non-human animals do though. A lion has no other way to survive. Humans choose to do this because we like the taste, no other reason. We as humans like to revel in our superior intelligence to animals all the time, but then we compare ourselves to them when it comes to our diets. It's just a convienent arguement but doesn't stand up.
Plus, other animals don't torture the animals they eat by cramming them into cages so small they can't even turn around. They don't deprive them of movement or proper food to keep their flesh pale so it can be considered a delicacy. They don't force natural herbivores like cows to be carnivores and cannibals. Only humans do these things.
We can live healthily and happily without killing other animals. Or using them in experiments. They have a right to a life free of pain and exploitation just like humans do.
The food chain argument is really weak and lacks any real thought or effort.