Well, I've come to realize that everything is contaminated in some way.
I've knowingly consumed insects, dirts and other things that have not harmed me in the slightest. So as I said, my perspective is shifting back.
Parasites are only a problem if the meat is not cooked properly. Most people don't get parasites from eating meat either. They usually get them from kissing their pets or allowing their pets to lick them. They can also get them from squishing fleas with their fingers and then putting their fingers in or near their mouth.
Parasites are nearly impossible to avoid.........like avoiding bacteria completely is nearly impossible.
I need to remember that about squishing fleas...........I am a Champion killer of fleas, and that is my preferred method.
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
Parasites are nearly impossible to avoid.........like avoiding bacteria completely is nearly impossible.
I need to remember that about squishing fleas...........I am a Champion killer of fleas, and that is my preferred method.
I know, Bacteria doesn't bother me. I eat it all the time. It's good.
The problem with Parasites especially beef worms. Is that they create little pockets in the muscle tissue where they make home. Often when I am cutting into a steak I see a little pocket, looks like a vein at first, but then I realize it's probably home to a parasite. Then I lose my appetite.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I know, Bacteria doesn't bother me. I eat it all the time. It's good.
The problem with Parasites especially beef worms. Is that they create little pockets in the muscle tissue where they make home. Often when I am cutting into a steak I see a little pocket, looks like a vein at first, but then I realize it's probably home to a parasite. Then I lose my appetite.
You're overthinking.......many of the parasitic worms found in the muscles of animals were still in a larval stage prior to the death of the host. The cow, sheep or pig was an intermediate host, not the final host. Parasites can't make a living hanging around in muscles. They need to be in a host's digestive or circulatory system. Cooking the muscles (meat) destroys/kills the larval stage of the parasite.
One can also pick up parasites of several types by eating raw vegetables that have not been properly cleaned.
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
PETA funds ALF which fire-bombs animal shelters. The main reason I don't like PETA, they are a terrorism sponsoring organization.
The Chair of PETA also takes medication that was discovered through animal testing, which she so adimantly opposes. She claims that it's ok for her to take the medication because she is saving animal lives. All other people should just die.
There is asbolutely nothing wrong with eating meat and the methods we use to farm meat is above humane. In the animal world and humans ancient past the act of killing and eating other animals is far more disturbing.
I personally don't like meat, I've gone through a transformation in my life. I used to love meat and beef and chicken were my favourite. After learning about parasites my opinion started to shift. Now I often become disgusted while eating meat and if prepared myself I often throw most of it out.
However, my situation is entirely psychological and I am trying to reverse my perception of eating meat. There is nothing wrong with it, but perhaps it isn't for everyone. As far as the humanity of it, well it's entirely human. What would be less humane is having pets. Retaining animals solely as a source of entertainment and domination. But I don't oppose having pets either.
If you were face to face with a cougar in the wild, it would rip your head off and feast on your entrails.
I'm a PETA supporter as well, but they are obviously not for everybody. There are hundreds of animal rights organizations out there who operate with different tactics, but they all share the same goal of stopping animal suffering, cruelty and exploitation. A few worth checking out are the Farm Sanctuary, Vegan Outreach and Compassion Over Killing. I visited PETA's headquarters a few weeks ago, anybody can arrange a tour at anytime. Truly amazing passionate people.
But the reason I replied to this post was:
1) PETA does not fund the ALF. The ALF is not an organized group. They don't have members or meetings. Anybody who liberates animals can claim to be with the ALF. And they have NEVER firebombed animal shelters...ever. That is just ridiculous. They have caused damage and destruction to labs and facilities that experiement on animals and put them through lives of misery. How can one defend people who purposely and needlessy torture and kill an innocent life but condemn those who vandalize to save those lives. In the history of actions taken on behald of the ALF no person or animal has ever been injured.
2) PETA's "chair" does not take or defend taking medication tested on animals. Please don't just make things up.
3) Your comments on the current methods of "farming" meat being "above humane" is obviously just very uneducated. For the most part these animals live horribly unnatural and often brutally painful lives. 10 minutes researching this on the internet will prove it. If you want a first hand account visit your local egg or veal farmer.
Someone else mentioned vegans take massive supplements to get the nutrition they are missing from not eating meat or dairy. This is completely unnecessary if they are eating a balanced diet. A vegan gets all the nutrition they need no problem. B12 is pretty much the only vitamin they need to look out for, but it's almost always in soy milks, cereals, etc. Plus you get this highly nutritous diet minus the cholestorol and massive amount of animal fats. It really is the best way of eating...and guilt free!
I'm a PETA supporter as well, but they are obviously not for everybody. There are hundreds of animal rights organizations out there who operate with different tactics, but they all share the same goal of stopping animal suffering, cruelty and exploitation. A few worth checking out are the Farm Sanctuary, Vegan Outreach and Compassion Over Killing. I visited PETA's headquarters a few weeks ago, anybody can arrange a tour at anytime. Truly amazing passionate people.
But the reason I replied to this post was:
1) PETA does not fund the ALF. The ALF is not an organized group. They don't have members or meetings. Anybody who liberates animals can claim to be with the ALF. And they have NEVER firebombed animal shelters...ever. That is just ridiculous. They have caused damage and destruction to labs and facilities that experiement on animals and put them through lives of misery. How can one defend people who purposely and needlessy torture and kill an innocent life but condemn those who vandalize to save those lives. In the history of actions taken on behald of the ALF no person or animal has ever been injured.
2) PETA's "chair" does not take or defend taking medication tested on animals. Please don't just make things up.
3) Your comments on the current methods of "farming" meat being "above humane" is obviously just very uneducated. For the most part these animals live horribly unnatural and often brutally painful lives. 10 minutes researching this on the internet will prove it. If you want a first hand account visit your local egg or veal farmer.
Someone else mentioned vegans take massive supplements to get the nutrition they are missing from not eating meat or dairy. This is completely unnecessary if they are eating a balanced diet. A vegan gets all the nutrition they need no problem. B12 is pretty much the only vitamin they need to look out for, but it's almost always in soy milks, cereals, etc. Plus you get this highly nutritous diet minus the cholestorol and massive amount of animal fats. It really is the best way of eating...and guilt free!
I wish I had the time right now to prove you wrong but I don't. So you are going to have to wait, remind me later to post the appropriate proof.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Ok, Sorry, it wasn't the chair, it was someone else.
"Even if animal research resulted in a cure for AIDS, we'd be against it."- Ingrid Newkirk Co-Founder of PETA, and Mary-Beth Sweetland (a diabetic who uses insulin gathered from animal sources to control her disease): She concedes that her medicine "still contains some animal products -- and I have no qualms about it ... I don't see myself as a hypocrite. I need my life to fight for the rights of animals"
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
See this is how PETA is. Really fucking condescending. Some of their reasons to be a vegetarian sound good, but none are based in fact and one in particular is really fucking dumb "because it takes a small person to beat an animal and an even smaller one to eat it"
It's called the damn food chain. All through history people and animals have killed and eaten each other. Is it cruel when your cute little kitten beats up a spider or a mouse? Is it cruel when your cat slaughters a whole family of rabbits? Is it cruel when lions slaughter zebras and so on?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
What does a PETA member do when their pet gets heart worms?
Kill the worms?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I am not a vegetarian, but I will be one day... maybe. I've tried and failed a couple of times. My problem with eating meat is more to do with the amount of land it takes to produce meat which could otherwise be more wisely used (or NOT used which would be even better). The amount of environmental damage is my major beef with the meat industry along with the inhumane treatment of animals in factory farms. Environmental reasons aside, I have no problem with free range organic meat farms. Factory farms have dispicable conditions for animals which are unnecessary. As for eating them goes, I don't have a problem with it. Cows, pigs, chickens etc, the are artificial creations of man. That doesn't give us the right to torture them, but I have more concern about protecting wild animals.
I do not have a problem with hunting except when it is merely for trophies and fur. This is because I disagree with waste, but I enjoy legally killed game and have no ethical issues whatsoever with hunting for food. I'm not a hunter, but I would like to hunt at least once in my life.
See this is how PETA is. Really fucking condescending. Some of their reasons to be a vegetarian sound good, but none are based in fact and one in particular is really fucking dumb "because it takes a small person to beat an animal and an even smaller one to eat it"
It's called the damn food chain. All through history people and animals have killed and eaten each other. Is it cruel when your cute little kitten beats up a spider or a mouse? Is it cruel when your cat slaughters a whole family of rabbits? Is it cruel when lions slaughter zebras and so on?
Here's the difference, and it's pretty simple. Humans don't NEED to kill other animals to survive. We don't need to eat their flesh to be healthy and live quality lives. Some non-human animals do though. A lion has no other way to survive. Humans choose to do this because we like the taste, no other reason. We as humans like to revel in our superior intelligence to animals all the time, but then we compare ourselves to them when it comes to our diets. It's just a convienent arguement but doesn't stand up.
Plus, other animals don't torture the animals they eat by cramming them into cages so small they can't even turn around. They don't deprive them of movement or proper food to keep their flesh pale so it can be considered a delicacy. They don't force natural herbivores like cows to be carnivores and cannibals. Only humans do these things.
We can live healthily and happily without killing other animals. Or using them in experiments. They have a right to a life free of pain and exploitation just like humans do.
The food chain argument is really weak and lacks any real thought or effort.
My idiot laptop won't play the video, but I was able to find some rough transcripts of the show. Listen, we all have our opinions. Some people find PETA extreme. Just as many credit PETA for being the ones who opened their eyes to the cruelty we inflict upon other animals. Just like any cause there are various organisations in the animal welfare movement, many who get their message out differently. PETA just gets all the attention. However, Penn and Teller were quick to point out that they are FOR humane treatment of animals and that episode is just about PETA, not animal rights as a whole. I visited PETA and can tell you everybody there was amazing. If you are ever near Norfolk call and ask for a tour, they'll gladly show you around. But even better would be to visit a farm sanctuary. Go spend some time with these animals. Watch how they react to you, are inquisitive and playful, and then tell me it's ok to murder them out of pure gluttony. It's easy to forget they are individuals. Hey, I ate meat for 28 years!! I used to wonder how anybody could not eat meat. Then I decided to look into it a little more. Now I'm a vegan. I've never been healthier (my IBS is gone), eating is fun, and I'm not supporting cruelty or these horrible factory farms.
And it's much more fun to go to a park or forest and see wildlife run by then to shoot it dead. It's just a more positive way to live. http://www.veganoutreach.org/whyvegan/ http://www.farmsanctuary.org/
(if you visit the farm sanctuary site read about the Airline Cargo disaster turkeys. My wife and I met them alast week when visiting the farm and they are the cutest things ever. They follow you everywhere, make these weird chirping sounds to get you to pet them, and peck at shiny things like rings and watches. Adorable)
We are all mutli-celled oraganisms, of course any organism would want to protect it's self. Fact is death and pain are a part of nature. It would be nice to not have them. But it's nature. I watched a full documentary on slaughtering pork and making Blutwurst/Blood Sausage. I'm not unaware, I just see it as a part of nature. We are the dominant species, if it were one of them, they'd be slaughtering us. If we don't farm animals then the animals never exist to begin with. Our species would use the land and resources for something completely different. It wouldn't be used as a playground for animals. It would be a big corporate skyscraper.
The documentary I watched. They take pigs and inject something to their brain. They die instantly. I'm not sure if it was just a dagger type thing that punctured the brain. The organism goes into shock and doesn't feel anything anyway, assuming it didnt' die instantly. It'd be like a near-death experience, a dream.
I think a cat is the most desirable pet. People say cats are smart. I think they just do what is best for them. If they stick around, you feed them, you pet them. They wouldn't give that up. They don't care about their owners. They just care about themselves. It's apparent in everything they do.
A plant is an organism as well. It strives to live and people slaughter them. Farm them. They bleed. They die. It's nature. You can't survive without killing something.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
We are all mutli-celled oraganisms, of course any organism would want to protect it's self. Fact is death and pain are a part of nature. It would be nice to not have them. But it's nature. I watched a full documentary on slaughtering pork and making Blutwurst/Blood Sausage. I'm not unaware, I just see it as a part of nature. We are the dominant species, if it were one of them, they'd be slaughtering us. If we don't farm animals then the animals never exist to begin with. Our species would use the land and resources for something completely different. It wouldn't be used as a playground for animals. It would be a big corporate skyscraper.
The documentary I watched. They take pigs and inject something to their brain. They die instantly. I'm not sure if it was just a dagger type thing that punctured the brain. The organism goes into shock and doesn't feel anything anyway, assuming it didnt' die instantly. It'd be like a near-death experience, a dream.
I think a cat is the most desirable pet. People say cats are smart. I think they just do what is best for them. If they stick around, you feed them, you pet them. They wouldn't give that up. They don't care about their owners. They just care about themselves. It's apparent in everything they do.
You forget that some of us are sensible and don't feel to eat killed animals. If you don't care, just ignore peta's message and don't try to convert us into eating meat.
A plant is an organism as well. It strives to live and people slaughter them. Farm them. They bleed. They die. It's nature. You can't survive without killing something.
I hope that you're joking. Ever heard of "central nervous system"?
I hope that you're joking. Ever heard of "central nervous system"?
Yes, I thought I clearly acknowledged pain as a part of nature.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I'll tell you now something new (new for you): plants don't have a central nervous system
Wow, that was a pretty condescending statement. Some people believe each individual cell has a level of consciousness and pain. Even a single-celled organism will react to negative stimuli or a threat. http://stevenharris.com/theory/040.htm
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I was handed a brochure once telling me not to eat meat becuase many animals are mistreated.
One of the examples used said that during the transport of the animals they had to endure cold temperatures.
Uhh...dont they live outside to begin with?
These animals can be in the back of those trucks for up to 3 days without food or water. They can be shipped through horrendous cold or heat during that time. Cows and pigs don't have thick fur coats like some animals and need to be able to shelter themselves in freezing temperatures. There's a book called Slaughterhouse by Gail Eisnitz that interviews many different people who work in the animal slaughter industry. They openly discuss how sometimes the animals will literally freeze to the metal in the back of the truck. The workers then tear the animal off the metal, leaving flesh behind, to get it loose. This is just one of thousands of examples. The interent is full of video of meat industry workers torturing animals for fun. Beating a pig for over an hour, ripping chickens heads off while alive, dragging downed cows around by chains and tractors.
Plus people talk about humane living conditions for animals before being killed, but there's no such thing as humane slaughter. I'm not sure what show you watched but the large majority of pigs aren't put to sleep peacefully with a needle. The slaughter is a terrifying and painful ordeal for them. And let me stress this....unneccesary!!! We don't need to.
Click on this link for some excerpts from the book: http://www.meat.org.uk/slaught.html
I am a member of PETA and a vegetarian. There are three reasons for my being vegetarian:
3. Health. Humans are not carnivores. Humans are omnivores, which means we do not require meat to live. The consumption of such large amounts of meat by Americans account for a lot of health issues in this country.
I have been a member of PETA for many, many years too. Their heart is in the right place and they have been very successful with many campaigns. That is why I give money to them. Sometimes I question the efficacy of some of their tactics, but overall I think they are a great organization that is making change.... or at least making people think about making change.
Not trying to piss anyone off here, but here is a little tidbit
From Websters:
Main Entry: om·niv·o·rous
Pronunciation: äm-'niv-r&s, -'ni-v&-
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin omnivorus, from omni- + -vorus -vorous
1 : feeding on both animal and vegetable substances
2 : avidly taking in everything as if devouring or consuming <an omnivorous reader>
- om·niv·o·rous·ly adverb
So, yes you are correct, humans are omnivores...requiring both meat and veggies to sustain a healthy life.
Ever check out your teeth...Humans, who are omnivores (eaters of plants and animal tissue), have teeth that belong, functionally and structurally, somewhere between the extremes of specialization attained by the teeth of carnivores and herbivores.
So, I wonder why we have incisors (lateral and central) and canine teeth (for tearing of meat) right up front in our mouth if we arent meant to eat meat? Why dont we just have a mouth full of molars for grinding veggies(like cows and horses)?
The protein in meat often has a high biological quality compared to many plant foods. Some processed forms of meat tend to have a lower protein quality than the fresh counterparts but still generally higher than plant foods. Meat protein contains all the essential amino acids in the correct proportions required by the body for optimum growth of lean, calorie burning tissue.
MMMMM...just some food for thought...
And as as far as PETA goes...ever check out their shoes / belts/ purses when they are out there terrorizing the the meat packing plants?
Which vegetable is it again that leather comes from?.....
Y'all have great day and enjoy your carrots.
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These animals can be in the back of those trucks for up to 3 days without food or water. They can be shipped through horrendous cold or heat during that time. Cows and pigs don't have thick fur coats like some animals and need to be able to shelter themselves in freezing temperatures. There's a book called Slaughterhouse by Gail Eisnitz that interviews many different people who work in the animal slaughter industry. They openly discuss how sometimes the animals will literally freeze to the metal in the back of the truck. The workers then tear the animal off the metal, leaving flesh behind, to get it loose. This is just one of thousands of examples. The interent is full of video of meat industry workers torturing animals for fun. Beating a pig for over an hour, ripping chickens heads off while alive, dragging downed cows around by chains and tractors.
Plus people talk about humane living conditions for animals before being killed, but there's no such thing as humane slaughter. I'm not sure what show you watched but the large majority of pigs aren't put to sleep peacefully with a needle. The slaughter is a terrifying and painful ordeal for them. And let me stress this....unneccesary!!! We don't need to.
Click on this link for some excerpts from the book: http://www.meat.org.uk/slaught.html
That's why they build chicken processing plants all over the poultry producing region........so they can make the suckers stay in the chicken truck for three days :rolleyes:
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
Not trying to piss anyone off here, but here is a little tidbit
From Websters:
Main Entry: om·niv·o·rous
Pronunciation: äm-'niv-r&s, -'ni-v&-
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin omnivorus, from omni- + -vorus -vorous
1 : feeding on both animal and vegetable substances
2 : avidly taking in everything as if devouring or consuming <an omnivorous reader>
- om·niv·o·rous·ly adverb
So, yes you are correct, humans are omnivores...requiring both meat and veggies to sustain a healthy life.
Ever check out your teeth...Humans, who are omnivores (eaters of plants and animal tissue), have teeth that belong, functionally and structurally, somewhere between the extremes of specialization attained by the teeth of carnivores and herbivores.
So, I wonder why we have incisors (lateral and central) and canine teeth (for tearing of meat) right up front in our mouth if we arent meant to eat meat? Why dont we just have a mouth full of molars for grinding veggies(like cows and horses)?
And as as far as PETA goes...ever check out their shoes / belts/ purses when they are out there terrorizing the the meat packing plants?
Which vegetable is it again that leather comes from?.....
Y'all have great day and enjoy your carrots.
I can't speak for everybody who shows up at demonstrations, but when I visited PETA nobody wears anything animal related. Strictly vegan policy. I have met some people who are vegetarians wearing leather belts or shoes, but each time they've told me that those items were purchased before they made the connection between fashion and cruelty. They told me they would never purchase animal products again. That's just my experience. For some people it takes time to get away from all animal products. You become an educated consumer rather than a blind one which is another benefit.
I've also read a differing opinion about human teeth. This study showed some differences between us and true carnivores. The first is the human jaws ability to go side-to-side as well as up and down. Animal carnivores only go up and down. As well these so called "dog teeth" are much smaller and less sharp then other animal carnivores. This study said our teeth are designed more for grinding, not tearing, which is needed for flesh.
As well animal carnivores have intestinal tracts about 1/3 of the length that humans do in proportion to size.
In then end though it doesn't really matter. What matters is our ability to recognise that we don't need to kill other animals to survive. That we can choose not to put another being through misery, pain and fear just because they happen to taste good.
If humans overrode all morals and ethics for the pure benefit of pleasure this world would be a much nastier place to live.
"Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution. Until we stop hurting all other living beings we are still savages"- Thomas Edison
"But for the sake of some little mouthful of flesh we deprive a soul of the sun and light, and of that proportion of life and time it had been born into the world to enjoy"- Plutarch A.D. 46-120
"But for the sake of some little mouthful of flesh we deprive a soul of the sun and light, and of that proportion of life and time it had been born into the world to enjoy"- Plutarch A.D. 46-120
You can't even prove humans have souls, good luck proving hedgehogs have them too.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I'm pretty sure he was just using souls as a reference to another another life. Substitute "soul" for "another" and read it again.
Do you kill worms that infect your pet?
Worms/Parasites are alive, they are living organisms, probably with a nervous system of some sort, and do you kill them or let your pet die?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
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I need to remember that about squishing fleas...........I am a Champion killer of fleas, and that is my preferred method.
I know, Bacteria doesn't bother me. I eat it all the time. It's good.
The problem with Parasites especially beef worms. Is that they create little pockets in the muscle tissue where they make home. Often when I am cutting into a steak I see a little pocket, looks like a vein at first, but then I realize it's probably home to a parasite. Then I lose my appetite.
One can also pick up parasites of several types by eating raw vegetables that have not been properly cleaned.
I'm a PETA supporter as well, but they are obviously not for everybody. There are hundreds of animal rights organizations out there who operate with different tactics, but they all share the same goal of stopping animal suffering, cruelty and exploitation. A few worth checking out are the Farm Sanctuary, Vegan Outreach and Compassion Over Killing. I visited PETA's headquarters a few weeks ago, anybody can arrange a tour at anytime. Truly amazing passionate people.
But the reason I replied to this post was:
1) PETA does not fund the ALF. The ALF is not an organized group. They don't have members or meetings. Anybody who liberates animals can claim to be with the ALF. And they have NEVER firebombed animal shelters...ever. That is just ridiculous. They have caused damage and destruction to labs and facilities that experiement on animals and put them through lives of misery. How can one defend people who purposely and needlessy torture and kill an innocent life but condemn those who vandalize to save those lives. In the history of actions taken on behald of the ALF no person or animal has ever been injured.
2) PETA's "chair" does not take or defend taking medication tested on animals. Please don't just make things up.
3) Your comments on the current methods of "farming" meat being "above humane" is obviously just very uneducated. For the most part these animals live horribly unnatural and often brutally painful lives. 10 minutes researching this on the internet will prove it. If you want a first hand account visit your local egg or veal farmer.
Someone else mentioned vegans take massive supplements to get the nutrition they are missing from not eating meat or dairy. This is completely unnecessary if they are eating a balanced diet. A vegan gets all the nutrition they need no problem. B12 is pretty much the only vitamin they need to look out for, but it's almost always in soy milks, cereals, etc. Plus you get this highly nutritous diet minus the cholestorol and massive amount of animal fats. It really is the best way of eating...and guilt free!
I wish I had the time right now to prove you wrong but I don't. So you are going to have to wait, remind me later to post the appropriate proof.
For now, a lot of what I've said is consolidated in this video:
http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=penn+teller+peta
"Even if animal research resulted in a cure for AIDS, we'd be against it."- Ingrid Newkirk Co-Founder of PETA, and Mary-Beth Sweetland (a diabetic who uses insulin gathered from animal sources to control her disease): She concedes that her medicine "still contains some animal products -- and I have no qualms about it ... I don't see myself as a hypocrite. I need my life to fight for the rights of animals"
This is a pretty old story, but here is one source http://www.frizzensparks.com/archives/000218.html
See this is how PETA is. Really fucking condescending. Some of their reasons to be a vegetarian sound good, but none are based in fact and one in particular is really fucking dumb "because it takes a small person to beat an animal and an even smaller one to eat it"
It's called the damn food chain. All through history people and animals have killed and eaten each other. Is it cruel when your cute little kitten beats up a spider or a mouse? Is it cruel when your cat slaughters a whole family of rabbits? Is it cruel when lions slaughter zebras and so on?
Here is some cute kittens chomping on the raw still breathing flesh of a zebra
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-6640507172710532092&q=lion+zebra
What does a PETA member do when their pet gets heart worms?
Kill the worms?
I do not have a problem with hunting except when it is merely for trophies and fur. This is because I disagree with waste, but I enjoy legally killed game and have no ethical issues whatsoever with hunting for food. I'm not a hunter, but I would like to hunt at least once in my life.
Here's the difference, and it's pretty simple. Humans don't NEED to kill other animals to survive. We don't need to eat their flesh to be healthy and live quality lives. Some non-human animals do though. A lion has no other way to survive. Humans choose to do this because we like the taste, no other reason. We as humans like to revel in our superior intelligence to animals all the time, but then we compare ourselves to them when it comes to our diets. It's just a convienent arguement but doesn't stand up.
Plus, other animals don't torture the animals they eat by cramming them into cages so small they can't even turn around. They don't deprive them of movement or proper food to keep their flesh pale so it can be considered a delicacy. They don't force natural herbivores like cows to be carnivores and cannibals. Only humans do these things.
We can live healthily and happily without killing other animals. Or using them in experiments. They have a right to a life free of pain and exploitation just like humans do.
The food chain argument is really weak and lacks any real thought or effort.
My idiot laptop won't play the video, but I was able to find some rough transcripts of the show. Listen, we all have our opinions. Some people find PETA extreme. Just as many credit PETA for being the ones who opened their eyes to the cruelty we inflict upon other animals. Just like any cause there are various organisations in the animal welfare movement, many who get their message out differently. PETA just gets all the attention. However, Penn and Teller were quick to point out that they are FOR humane treatment of animals and that episode is just about PETA, not animal rights as a whole. I visited PETA and can tell you everybody there was amazing. If you are ever near Norfolk call and ask for a tour, they'll gladly show you around. But even better would be to visit a farm sanctuary. Go spend some time with these animals. Watch how they react to you, are inquisitive and playful, and then tell me it's ok to murder them out of pure gluttony. It's easy to forget they are individuals. Hey, I ate meat for 28 years!! I used to wonder how anybody could not eat meat. Then I decided to look into it a little more. Now I'm a vegan. I've never been healthier (my IBS is gone), eating is fun, and I'm not supporting cruelty or these horrible factory farms.
And it's much more fun to go to a park or forest and see wildlife run by then to shoot it dead. It's just a more positive way to live.
http://www.veganoutreach.org/whyvegan/
http://www.farmsanctuary.org/
(if you visit the farm sanctuary site read about the Airline Cargo disaster turkeys. My wife and I met them alast week when visiting the farm and they are the cutest things ever. They follow you everywhere, make these weird chirping sounds to get you to pet them, and peck at shiny things like rings and watches. Adorable)
The documentary I watched. They take pigs and inject something to their brain. They die instantly. I'm not sure if it was just a dagger type thing that punctured the brain. The organism goes into shock and doesn't feel anything anyway, assuming it didnt' die instantly. It'd be like a near-death experience, a dream.
I think a cat is the most desirable pet. People say cats are smart. I think they just do what is best for them. If they stick around, you feed them, you pet them. They wouldn't give that up. They don't care about their owners. They just care about themselves. It's apparent in everything they do.
A plant is an organism as well. It strives to live and people slaughter them. Farm them. They bleed. They die. It's nature. You can't survive without killing something.
people eating tasty animals
http://www.myspace.com/brain_of_c
www.amnesty.org.uk
Yes, I thought I clearly acknowledged pain as a part of nature.
www.amnesty.org.uk
they make ME nervous.......
http://www.myspace.com/brain_of_c
Wow, that was a pretty condescending statement. Some people believe each individual cell has a level of consciousness and pain. Even a single-celled organism will react to negative stimuli or a threat.
http://stevenharris.com/theory/040.htm
One of the examples used said that during the transport of the animals they had to endure cold temperatures.
Uhh...dont they live outside to begin with?
(Kat, I'm joking, don't ban me, please)
www.amnesty.org.uk
say what?????
These animals can be in the back of those trucks for up to 3 days without food or water. They can be shipped through horrendous cold or heat during that time. Cows and pigs don't have thick fur coats like some animals and need to be able to shelter themselves in freezing temperatures. There's a book called Slaughterhouse by Gail Eisnitz that interviews many different people who work in the animal slaughter industry. They openly discuss how sometimes the animals will literally freeze to the metal in the back of the truck. The workers then tear the animal off the metal, leaving flesh behind, to get it loose. This is just one of thousands of examples. The interent is full of video of meat industry workers torturing animals for fun. Beating a pig for over an hour, ripping chickens heads off while alive, dragging downed cows around by chains and tractors.
Plus people talk about humane living conditions for animals before being killed, but there's no such thing as humane slaughter. I'm not sure what show you watched but the large majority of pigs aren't put to sleep peacefully with a needle. The slaughter is a terrifying and painful ordeal for them. And let me stress this....unneccesary!!! We don't need to.
Click on this link for some excerpts from the book:
http://www.meat.org.uk/slaught.html
Not trying to piss anyone off here, but here is a little tidbit
From Websters:
Main Entry: om·niv·o·rous
Pronunciation: äm-'niv-r&s, -'ni-v&-
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin omnivorus, from omni- + -vorus -vorous
1 : feeding on both animal and vegetable substances
2 : avidly taking in everything as if devouring or consuming <an omnivorous reader>
- om·niv·o·rous·ly adverb
So, yes you are correct, humans are omnivores...requiring both meat and veggies to sustain a healthy life.
Ever check out your teeth...Humans, who are omnivores (eaters of plants and animal tissue), have teeth that belong, functionally and structurally, somewhere between the extremes of specialization attained by the teeth of carnivores and herbivores.
So, I wonder why we have incisors (lateral and central) and canine teeth (for tearing of meat) right up front in our mouth if we arent meant to eat meat? Why dont we just have a mouth full of molars for grinding veggies(like cows and horses)?
The protein in meat often has a high biological quality compared to many plant foods. Some processed forms of meat tend to have a lower protein quality than the fresh counterparts but still generally higher than plant foods. Meat protein contains all the essential amino acids in the correct proportions required by the body for optimum growth of lean, calorie burning tissue.
MMMMM...just some food for thought...
And as as far as PETA goes...ever check out their shoes / belts/ purses when they are out there terrorizing the the meat packing plants?
Which vegetable is it again that leather comes from?.....
Y'all have great day and enjoy your carrots.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!
- Benjamin Franklin
If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went.
-Will Rogers
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That's why they build chicken processing plants all over the poultry producing region........so they can make the suckers stay in the chicken truck for three days :rolleyes:
Whatever ... It made me laugh.
I can't speak for everybody who shows up at demonstrations, but when I visited PETA nobody wears anything animal related. Strictly vegan policy. I have met some people who are vegetarians wearing leather belts or shoes, but each time they've told me that those items were purchased before they made the connection between fashion and cruelty. They told me they would never purchase animal products again. That's just my experience. For some people it takes time to get away from all animal products. You become an educated consumer rather than a blind one which is another benefit.
I've also read a differing opinion about human teeth. This study showed some differences between us and true carnivores. The first is the human jaws ability to go side-to-side as well as up and down. Animal carnivores only go up and down. As well these so called "dog teeth" are much smaller and less sharp then other animal carnivores. This study said our teeth are designed more for grinding, not tearing, which is needed for flesh.
As well animal carnivores have intestinal tracts about 1/3 of the length that humans do in proportion to size.
In then end though it doesn't really matter. What matters is our ability to recognise that we don't need to kill other animals to survive. That we can choose not to put another being through misery, pain and fear just because they happen to taste good.
If humans overrode all morals and ethics for the pure benefit of pleasure this world would be a much nastier place to live.
"Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution. Until we stop hurting all other living beings we are still savages"- Thomas Edison
"But for the sake of some little mouthful of flesh we deprive a soul of the sun and light, and of that proportion of life and time it had been born into the world to enjoy"- Plutarch A.D. 46-120
You can't even prove humans have souls, good luck proving hedgehogs have them too.
I'm pretty sure he was just using souls as a reference to another another life. Substitute "soul" for "another" and read it again.
Do you kill worms that infect your pet?
Worms/Parasites are alive, they are living organisms, probably with a nervous system of some sort, and do you kill them or let your pet die?