PETA members

UpSideDownUpSideDown Posts: 1,966
edited October 2006 in A Moving Train
Anyone a PETA member in here?

Are you vegetarian?
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  • This is going to be juvenile on my part...

    People Eating Tasty Animals...

    I know I should be understanding, but if there is "segment" of our society I unabashedly love to give shit to, it's vegetarians...

    Hey... I could be worse... I could be racist instead, right?
  • RushlimboRushlimbo Posts: 832
    NakedClown wrote:
    This is going to be juvenile on my part...

    People Eating Tasty Animals...

    I know I should be understanding, but if there is "segment" of our society I unabashedly love to give shit to, it's vegetarians...

    Hey... I could be worse... I could be racist instead, right?


    Actually being an asshole is being an asshole regardless of what segment you point it towards.
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  • Rushlimbo wrote:
    Actually being an asshole is being an asshole regardless of what segment you point it towards.

    I'm really not an asshole though - I swear - I'm a nice guy... but thanks for your concern... you told me!!!

    I have a lot of friends who are vegetarian and vegan, etc... I like to gently prod them just like any friend would gently prod me about certain personality quirks of mine, etc...

    But since I've derailed this - without anyone even having answered the question - I'll get serious for a moment.

    I think most PETA members, by nature, would be vegetarian. There may be some who protest the manners in which chickens are housed and what is fed to our cows who then go home to a big meal of chicken wings and cheese burgers, but I doubt it.

    I understand the folks who do it because they don't agree with the ways animals are treated and think it's barbaric to eat an animal... I at least understand that - although I don't practice it.

    The ones that I don't understand are the ones who say "it's got nothing to do with animal treatment" but it's because of the negative things that meat (or any animal-derived substances) put into their body AND THEN cram countless dietary supplements into themselves to replace the nutrition that meat and dairy provide.

    THAT doesn't make sense to me.

    And maybe my smart ass-like opinion on the matter comes from the fact that I'm a midwesterner now living in L.A. and there are soooo many people out here who are vegan or vegetarian ONLY BECAUSE THEY CAN NOW SAY THEY ARE PART OF THAT GROUP.

    Those who do it to be trendy - and you know there are countless of them out here - deserve my ridicule!

    :)
  • edeneden Posts: 407
    NakedClown wrote:
    I'm really not an asshole though - I swear - I'm a nice guy... but thanks for your concern... you told me!!!

    I have a lot of friends who are vegetarian and vegan, etc... I like to gently prod them just like any friend would gently prod me about certain personality quirks of mine, etc...

    But since I've derailed this - without anyone even having answered the question - I'll get serious for a moment.

    I think most PETA members, by nature, would be vegetarian. There may be some who protest the manners in which chickens are housed and what is fed to our cows who then go home to a big meal of chicken wings and cheese burgers, but I doubt it.

    I understand the folks who do it because they don't agree with the ways animals are treated and think it's barbaric to eat an animal... I at least understand that - although I don't practice it.

    The ones that I don't understand are the ones who say "it's got nothing to do with animal treatment" but it's because of the negative things that meat (or any animal-derived substances) put into their body AND THEN cram countless dietary supplements into themselves to replace the nutrition that meat and dairy provide.

    THAT doesn't make sense to me.

    And maybe my smart ass-like opinion on the matter comes from the fact that I'm a midwesterner now living in L.A. and there are soooo many people out here who are vegan or vegetarian ONLY BECAUSE THEY CAN NOW SAY THEY ARE PART OF THAT GROUP.

    Those who do it to be trendy - and you know there are countless of them out here - deserve my ridicule!

    :)

    I think the carnivorous instict in us all is too powerful to be denied just for purposes of being trendy. I admire Peta, I donate to them, an I admire true vegetarians and vegans, I simply dont have what it takes to be denied filet mignon w/ bernaise sauce occasionally.
  • UpSideDownUpSideDown Posts: 1,966
    I go back and forth about becoming a vegetarian

    I do not want to support the way animals are treated in the food industry

    however, i believe that human beings are both meat and plant eating creatures, and that is in our nature to do so

    its a tough issue for me at this point in time
  • edeneden Posts: 407
    I go back and forth about becoming a vegetarian

    I do not want to support the way animals are treated in the food industry

    however, i believe that human beings are both meat and plant eating creatures, and that is in our nature to do so

    its a tough issue for me at this point in time

    Just as with everything else in life, balance is key.

    I try to support peta, free range, etc. but have decided for me personally I cant be fullblown veg, actually I think I would be ok with just chicken and fish, thats kinda a long range goal.
  • Puck78Puck78 Posts: 737
    NakedClown wrote:
    The ones that I don't understand are the ones who say "it's got nothing to do with animal treatment" but it's because of the negative things that meat (or any animal-derived substances) put into their body AND THEN cram countless dietary supplements into themselves to replace the nutrition that meat and dairy provide.
    I agree 100%
    NakedClown wrote:
    And maybe my smart ass-like opinion on the matter comes from the fact that I'm a midwesterner now living in L.A. and there are soooo many people out here who are vegan or vegetarian ONLY BECAUSE THEY CAN NOW SAY THEY ARE PART OF THAT GROUP.
    Those who do it to be trendy - and you know there are countless of them out here - deserve my ridicule!
    I agree also here, even if I find the vegetarian life a pretty lonely one.

    I'm vegan for about 10 years now. I do it because I'm against the way in which animal are treatened and for personal sensibility. Right because I'm vegan for personal sensibility I thik that it is a personal choice to be vegetarian, so I don't try to push other people being that.
    But I'm annoyed by people having fun of me for being vegan when i don't even say a word to them.
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  • Puck78 wrote:

    I agree also here, even if I find the vegetarian life a pretty lonely one.

    okay, this doesnt make any sense to me. if you really cared about how animals are treated, etc, then what difference does it make why people choose to be vegetarian/vegan so long as they arent eating meat and stuff?

    it's like a charity refusing money from someone because he's just doing it to look good rather than caring about whatever the charity is for
    saw things so much clearer
  • sourdoughsourdough Posts: 579
    I'm definitely an animal rights supporter, but I am very anti-PETA. Yes, they do stand for some good things, but they also make a lot of knee-jerk reactions and do not make very good all round environmental decisions/policies. Also their comparisons and emotional responses are very classless. I remember last year's "turkey holocaust" last thanksgiving. Way to naively insult an ethnic cleansing.
    They are anti-hunting, and yet they ignore that a huge amount of parkland would never have existed had it not been for hunters and related environmental groups who are responsible for their creation and diversity programs.
  • RiverrunnerRiverrunner Posts: 2,419
    I am a member of PETA and a vegetarian. There are three reasons for my being vegetarian:

    1. The very cruel and inhumane way animals in the food industry are treated. And as long as there is a food industry it will be that way because the purpose is to make money. The less money you spend on the needs of the animals the more money you make.

    2. Environmental. The growing of animals for food is one of the major pollutants in this country and the other meat eating countries. Amazing large amounts of water are used and amazingly large amounts of water are polluted from animals waste run-off. The reason the rain forests are threatened is because they are being burned to grow cattle to supply the western world with cheap beef.

    3. Health. Humans are not carnivores. Humans are omnivores, which means we do not require meat to live. The consumption of such large amounts of meat by Americans account for a lot of health issues in this country.

    I became a vegetarian in 1988 and I felt so much better after I did. It took me a couple of years before that before I finally took the plunge. I haven't looked back since. My health is good and I feel that i am being environmentally responsible and ethical.

    I have been a member of PETA for many, many years too. Their heart is in the right place and they have been very successful with many campaigns. That is why I give money to them. Sometimes I question the efficacy of some of their tactics, but overall I think they are a great organization that is making change.... or at least making people think about making change.

    Did anyone hear Andy Rooney's commentary last night? He said that he thought in 50-100 years most people would be vegetarians. He sees it as an advancement. He says that he is not a vegetarian but he said he thought it was the right thing to do, and as society advances so will the idea of being a vegetarian.
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  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    I've been a vegetarian for around 12 years now, but I don't support PETA. I share most of their beliefs, but I have serious issues with the way they conduct their campaigns. The "meat is child abuse" billboards, for example ... even if you agree that meat is not good for children, how can you possibly think that calling people child abusers is going to win them over to your side? It's a very poor PR tactic, it alienates your target audience. Same thing with splattering fur-wearing people with red paint ... not only is it juvenile (not to mention criminal), but the natural instinct is to sympathize with the person who was attacked and had their clothing destroyed. They'd have much more success, I think, if they stuck with educating people about the inhumane treatment of animals and dropped their bullying tactics.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388

    2. Environmental. The growing of animals for food is one of the major pollutants in this country and the other meat eating countries. Amazing large amounts of water are used and amazingly large amounts of water are polluted from animals waste run-off. The reason the rain forests are threatened is because they are being burned to grow cattle to supply the western world with cheap beef.
    And the mass growing of vegetables is good for the environment???? Organic faming on the level that would sustain the world's current population is a pipe dream. Run off from production of vegetables/fruits/grains is also a major environmental issue.
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  • RiverrunnerRiverrunner Posts: 2,419
    tybird wrote:
    And the mass growing of vegetables is good for the environment???? Organic faming on the level that would sustain the world's current population is a pipe dream. Run off from production of vegetables/fruits/grains is also a major environmental issue.


    What do you think the animals that you eat eat? Hint: the grains that are the majority of the grain production in the U.S. go to feed animals that you eat. So not only are we producing veggies/fruits/grains for humans we are producing even more for animals that people eat. My idea: convert the existing grain production for meat animals into food for humans. that will result in more food availability at less environmental and ethical cost.


    P.S. This is my last post. I will not participate in any argument. I am not hear to change anyone's mind, I only responded to the first post to let him/her know that there were vegetarians here and that there are good reasons to be one.
    The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way it treats its animals. Ghandi
  • Puck78Puck78 Posts: 737
    hippiemom wrote:
    Same thing with splattering fur-wearing people with red paint ... not only is it juvenile (not to mention criminal), but the natural instinct is to sympathize with the person who was attacked and had their clothing destroyed.
    mh, no
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  • There have been some interesting comments on this so far, PETA has no doubt brought many concerns to the forefront. I have a 15 yr old son who has been vegan for about 2 yrs I supported and respected his position and have bought and prepared many of his meals. I'm sure it has had a positive effect on our overall diet even though he is the only vegan in our family of four. He has stuck with his position and I am proud of him for that. However there is no doubt that PETA targets our youth with some of their campaigns (good or bad, right or wrong). It make sense for them to effect change at the root level so to speak. Just some more thoughts to ponder on this. PETA has had a positive affect on the food industry i know, I am in it. The industry as a whole is moving toward realizing "an ethical conversion of animals to food" . I know that it is a reflection on our affluence as a society that we can even have the luxury to decide to be so exclusive one way or the other in our diet. I remind my son of this as I am buying his soy milk and veggie burgers. I hunt animals because I like the meat and I contribute to the overall cause with my licenses, the animals are very safe with me in the woods I scare them a lot and give them plenty of warning (I am mostly a well armed hiker). If you ever visit a slaughterhouse you will rethink your position on most processed meat. If you ever had to raise chickens you will appreciate the slaughter off them. PETA has had many shallow thinking and outright stupid campaigns and positions but maybe a positive long term affect.
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  • Puck78Puck78 Posts: 737
    we can even have the luxury to decide to be so exclusive one way or the other in our diet.
    this is true. I'm vegan, but when travelling in very poor country i don't pretend to try to be vegan
    If you ever had to raise chickens you will appreciate the slaughter off them.
    no, this is not true, it is eventually a personal feeling. I raised my grandmother's chikens and when she slaughtered them it was surely shoking for me
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  • VictoryGinVictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    NakedClown wrote:
    And maybe my smart ass-like opinion on the matter comes from the fact that I'm a midwesterner now living in L.A. and there are soooo many people out here who are vegan or vegetarian ONLY BECAUSE THEY CAN NOW SAY THEY ARE PART OF THAT GROUP.

    Those who do it to be trendy - and you know there are countless of them out here - deserve my ridicule!

    :)

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  • no, this is not true, it is eventually a personal feeling. I raised my grandmother's chikens and when she slaughtered them it was surely shoking for me

    Yes Puck78 so very true, the whole issue is personal and individual, as it should be. Just having some fun with it, I hated those things at Grandmas when I was a kid though.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    I am very much an animal lover, and very much a PETA hater.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    PETA funds ALF which fire-bombs animal shelters. The main reason I don't like PETA, they are a terrorism sponsoring organization.

    The Chair of PETA also takes medication that was discovered through animal testing, which she so adimantly opposes. She claims that it's ok for her to take the medication because she is saving animal lives. All other people should just die.

    There is asbolutely nothing wrong with eating meat and the methods we use to farm meat is above humane. In the animal world and humans ancient past the act of killing and eating other animals is far more disturbing.

    I personally don't like meat, I've gone through a transformation in my life. I used to love meat and beef and chicken were my favourite. After learning about parasites my opinion started to shift. Now I often become disgusted while eating meat and if prepared myself I often throw most of it out.

    However, my situation is entirely psychological and I am trying to reverse my perception of eating meat. There is nothing wrong with it, but perhaps it isn't for everyone. As far as the humanity of it, well it's entirely human. What would be less humane is having pets. Retaining animals solely as a source of entertainment and domination. But I don't oppose having pets either.

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  • AraineaArainea Posts: 58
    hippiemom wrote:
    I've been a vegetarian for around 12 years now, but I don't support PETA. I share most of their beliefs, but I have serious issues with the way they conduct their campaigns. The "meat is child abuse" billboards, for example ... even if you agree that meat is not good for children, how can you possibly think that calling people child abusers is going to win them over to your side? It's a very poor PR tactic, it alienates your target audience. Same thing with splattering fur-wearing people with red paint ... not only is it juvenile (not to mention criminal), but the natural instinct is to sympathize with the person who was attacked and had their clothing destroyed. They'd have much more success, I think, if they stuck with educating people about the inhumane treatment of animals and dropped their bullying tactics.


    I'm with you here. I've been a vegetarian for 35 of my 37 years. I was briefly a PETA member in the early 90s but I got really turned off when they had people like Naomi Campbell doing their anti-fur campaign....BUT SHE EATS MEAT! That's just stupid.
  • Arainea wrote:
    I'm with you here. I've been a vegetarian for 35 of my 37 years. I was briefly a PETA member in the early 90s but I got really turned off when they had people like Naomi Campbell doing their anti-fur campaign....BUT SHE EATS MEAT! That's just stupid.

    Thank goodness there are people with common sense in here.

    Last time I participated in a discussion about PETA here I was ridiculed for saying many of the same things about this organization. My stance is that if you don't want to eat meat... fine. In fact, if you want to tell me why you *think* I shouldn't eat meat... fine, I'll listen. But PETA takes this WAY too far and, frankly, I'm dissappointed that Pearl Jam supports them.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I personally don't like meat, I've gone through a transformation in my life. I used to love meat and beef and chicken were my favourite. After learning about parasites my opinion started to shift. Now I often become disgusted while eating meat and if prepared myself I often throw most of it out.
    I guess that you don't want to hear about nematodes that live in many of the plants that we consume. :)
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    tybird wrote:
    I guess that you don't want to hear about nematodes that live in many of the plants that we consume. :)

    Well, I've come to realize that everything is contaminated in some way.

    I've knowingly consumed insects, dirts and other things that have not harmed me in the slightest. So as I said, my perspective is shifting back.

    Parasites are only a problem if the meat is not cooked properly. Most people don't get parasites from eating meat either. They usually get them from kissing their pets or allowing their pets to lick them. They can also get them from squishing fleas with their fingers and then putting their fingers in or near their mouth.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Well, I've come to realize that everything is contaminated in some way.

    I've knowingly consumed insects, dirts and other things that have not harmed me in the slightest. So as I said, my perspective is shifting back.

    Parasites are only a problem if the meat is not cooked properly. Most people don't get parasites from eating meat either. They usually get them from kissing their pets or allowing their pets to lick them. They can also get them from squishing fleas with their fingers and then putting their fingers in or near their mouth.
    Don't ever eat freshwater sushi..................there is not a lot known about nematodes in many cases.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    tybird wrote:
    Don't ever eat freshwater sushi..................there is not a lot known about nematodes in many cases.

    I'm not really a fan of sushi ;)
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