PETA members

UpSideDown

Anyone a PETA member in here?

Are you vegetarian?

NakedClown

This is going to be juvenile on my part...

People Eating Tasty Animals...

I know I should be understanding, but if there is "segment" of our society I unabashedly love to give shit to, it's vegetarians...

Hey... I could be worse... I could be racist instead, right?

Rushlimbo

NakedClown wrote:

This is going to be juvenile on my part...

People Eating Tasty Animals...

I know I should be understanding, but if there is "segment" of our society I unabashedly love to give shit to, it's vegetarians...

Hey... I could be worse... I could be racist instead, right?

Actually being an asshole is being an asshole regardless of what segment you point it towards.

NakedClown

Rushlimbo wrote:

Actually being an asshole is being an asshole regardless of what segment you point it towards.

I'm really not an asshole though - I swear - I'm a nice guy... but thanks for your concern... you told me!!!

I have a lot of friends who are vegetarian and vegan, etc... I like to gently prod them just like any friend would gently prod me about certain personality quirks of mine, etc...

But since I've derailed this - without anyone even having answered the question - I'll get serious for a moment.

I think most PETA members, by nature, would be vegetarian. There may be some who protest the manners in which chickens are housed and what is fed to our cows who then go home to a big meal of chicken wings and cheese burgers, but I doubt it.

I understand the folks who do it because they don't agree with the ways animals are treated and think it's barbaric to eat an animal... I at least understand that - although I don't practice it.

The ones that I don't understand are the ones who say "it's got nothing to do with animal treatment" but it's because of the negative things that meat (or any animal-derived substances) put into their body AND THEN cram countless dietary supplements into themselves to replace the nutrition that meat and dairy provide.

THAT doesn't make sense to me.

And maybe my smart ass-like opinion on the matter comes from the fact that I'm a midwesterner now living in L.A. and there are soooo many people out here who are vegan or vegetarian ONLY BECAUSE THEY CAN NOW SAY THEY ARE PART OF THAT GROUP.

Those who do it to be trendy - and you know there are countless of them out here - deserve my ridicule!

eden

NakedClown wrote:

I'm really not an asshole though - I swear - I'm a nice guy... but thanks for your concern... you told me!!!

I have a lot of friends who are vegetarian and vegan, etc... I like to gently prod them just like any friend would gently prod me about certain personality quirks of mine, etc...

But since I've derailed this - without anyone even having answered the question - I'll get serious for a moment.

I think most PETA members, by nature, would be vegetarian. There may be some who protest the manners in which chickens are housed and what is fed to our cows who then go home to a big meal of chicken wings and cheese burgers, but I doubt it.

I understand the folks who do it because they don't agree with the ways animals are treated and think it's barbaric to eat an animal... I at least understand that - although I don't practice it.

The ones that I don't understand are the ones who say "it's got nothing to do with animal treatment" but it's because of the negative things that meat (or any animal-derived substances) put into their body AND THEN cram countless dietary supplements into themselves to replace the nutrition that meat and dairy provide.

THAT doesn't make sense to me.

And maybe my smart ass-like opinion on the matter comes from the fact that I'm a midwesterner now living in L.A. and there are soooo many people out here who are vegan or vegetarian ONLY BECAUSE THEY CAN NOW SAY THEY ARE PART OF THAT GROUP.

Those who do it to be trendy - and you know there are countless of them out here - deserve my ridicule!

I think the carnivorous instict in us all is too powerful to be denied just for purposes of being trendy. I admire Peta, I donate to them, an I admire true vegetarians and vegans, I simply dont have what it takes to be denied filet mignon w/ bernaise sauce occasionally.

UpSideDown

I go back and forth about becoming a vegetarian

I do not want to support the way animals are treated in the food industry

however, i believe that human beings are both meat and plant eating creatures, and that is in our nature to do so

its a tough issue for me at this point in time

The Illinoisemakers

http://www.petakillsanimals.com

eden

Corey Erven wrote:

I go back and forth about becoming a vegetarian

I do not want to support the way animals are treated in the food industry

however, i believe that human beings are both meat and plant eating creatures, and that is in our nature to do so

its a tough issue for me at this point in time

Just as with everything else in life, balance is key.

I try to support peta, free range, etc. but have decided for me personally I cant be fullblown veg, actually I think I would be ok with just chicken and fish, thats kinda a long range goal.

UpSideDown

The Illinoisemakers wrote:

http://www.petakillsanimals.com

hmmmmm lol

Puck78

NakedClown wrote:

The ones that I don't understand are the ones who say "it's got nothing to do with animal treatment" but it's because of the negative things that meat (or any animal-derived substances) put into their body AND THEN cram countless dietary supplements into themselves to replace the nutrition that meat and dairy provide.

I agree 100%

NakedClown wrote:

And maybe my smart ass-like opinion on the matter comes from the fact that I'm a midwesterner now living in L.A. and there are soooo many people out here who are vegan or vegetarian ONLY BECAUSE THEY CAN NOW SAY THEY ARE PART OF THAT GROUP.
Those who do it to be trendy - and you know there are countless of them out here - deserve my ridicule!

I agree also here, even if I find the vegetarian life a pretty lonely one.

I'm vegan for about 10 years now. I do it because I'm against the way in which animal are treatened and for personal sensibility. Right because I'm vegan for personal sensibility I thik that it is a personal choice to be vegetarian, so I don't try to push other people being that.
But I'm annoyed by people having fun of me for being vegan when i don't even say a word to them.

comfortably numb

Puck78 wrote:

I agree also here, even if I find the vegetarian life a pretty lonely one.

okay, this doesnt make any sense to me. if you really cared about how animals are treated, etc, then what difference does it make why people choose to be vegetarian/vegan so long as they arent eating meat and stuff?

it's like a charity refusing money from someone because he's just doing it to look good rather than caring about whatever the charity is for

sourdough

I'm definitely an animal rights supporter, but I am very anti-PETA. Yes, they do stand for some good things, but they also make a lot of knee-jerk reactions and do not make very good all round environmental decisions/policies. Also their comparisons and emotional responses are very classless. I remember last year's "turkey holocaust" last thanksgiving. Way to naively insult an ethnic cleansing.
They are anti-hunting, and yet they ignore that a huge amount of parkland would never have existed had it not been for hunters and related environmental groups who are responsible for their creation and diversity programs.

Riverrunner

I am a member of PETA and a vegetarian. There are three reasons for my being vegetarian:

1. The very cruel and inhumane way animals in the food industry are treated. And as long as there is a food industry it will be that way because the purpose is to make money. The less money you spend on the needs of the animals the more money you make.

2. Environmental. The growing of animals for food is one of the major pollutants in this country and the other meat eating countries. Amazing large amounts of water are used and amazingly large amounts of water are polluted from animals waste run-off. The reason the rain forests are threatened is because they are being burned to grow cattle to supply the western world with cheap beef.

3. Health. Humans are not carnivores. Humans are omnivores, which means we do not require meat to live. The consumption of such large amounts of meat by Americans account for a lot of health issues in this country.

I became a vegetarian in 1988 and I felt so much better after I did. It took me a couple of years before that before I finally took the plunge. I haven't looked back since. My health is good and I feel that i am being environmentally responsible and ethical.

I have been a member of PETA for many, many years too. Their heart is in the right place and they have been very successful with many campaigns. That is why I give money to them. Sometimes I question the efficacy of some of their tactics, but overall I think they are a great organization that is making change.... or at least making people think about making change.

Did anyone hear Andy Rooney's commentary last night? He said that he thought in 50-100 years most people would be vegetarians. He sees it as an advancement. He says that he is not a vegetarian but he said he thought it was the right thing to do, and as society advances so will the idea of being a vegetarian.

hippiemom

I've been a vegetarian for around 12 years now, but I don't support PETA. I share most of their beliefs, but I have serious issues with the way they conduct their campaigns. The "meat is child abuse" billboards, for example ... even if you agree that meat is not good for children, how can you possibly think that calling people child abusers is going to win them over to your side? It's a very poor PR tactic, it alienates your target audience. Same thing with splattering fur-wearing people with red paint ... not only is it juvenile (not to mention criminal), but the natural instinct is to sympathize with the person who was attacked and had their clothing destroyed. They'd have much more success, I think, if they stuck with educating people about the inhumane treatment of animals and dropped their bullying tactics.

tybird

Riverrunner wrote:

2. Environmental. The growing of animals for food is one of the major pollutants in this country and the other meat eating countries. Amazing large amounts of water are used and amazingly large amounts of water are polluted from animals waste run-off. The reason the rain forests are threatened is because they are being burned to grow cattle to supply the western world with cheap beef.

And the mass growing of vegetables is good for the environment???? Organic faming on the level that would sustain the world's current population is a pipe dream. Run off from production of vegetables/fruits/grains is also a major environmental issue.

Riverrunner

tybird wrote:

And the mass growing of vegetables is good for the environment???? Organic faming on the level that would sustain the world's current population is a pipe dream. Run off from production of vegetables/fruits/grains is also a major environmental issue.

What do you think the animals that you eat eat? Hint: the grains that are the majority of the grain production in the U.S. go to feed animals that you eat. So not only are we producing veggies/fruits/grains for humans we are producing even more for animals that people eat. My idea: convert the existing grain production for meat animals into food for humans. that will result in more food availability at less environmental and ethical cost.


P.S. This is my last post. I will not participate in any argument. I am not hear to change anyone's mind, I only responded to the first post to let him/her know that there were vegetarians here and that there are good reasons to be one.

Puck78

hippiemom wrote:

Same thing with splattering fur-wearing people with red paint ... not only is it juvenile (not to mention criminal), but the natural instinct is to sympathize with the person who was attacked and had their clothing destroyed.

mh, no

old and in the way

There have been some interesting comments on this so far, PETA has no doubt brought many concerns to the forefront. I have a 15 yr old son who has been vegan for about 2 yrs I supported and respected his position and have bought and prepared many of his meals. I'm sure it has had a positive effect on our overall diet even though he is the only vegan in our family of four. He has stuck with his position and I am proud of him for that. However there is no doubt that PETA targets our youth with some of their campaigns (good or bad, right or wrong). It make sense for them to effect change at the root level so to speak. Just some more thoughts to ponder on this. PETA has had a positive affect on the food industry i know, I am in it. The industry as a whole is moving toward realizing "an ethical conversion of animals to food" . I know that it is a reflection on our affluence as a society that we can even have the luxury to decide to be so exclusive one way or the other in our diet. I remind my son of this as I am buying his soy milk and veggie burgers. I hunt animals because I like the meat and I contribute to the overall cause with my licenses, the animals are very safe with me in the woods I scare them a lot and give them plenty of warning (I am mostly a well armed hiker). If you ever visit a slaughterhouse you will rethink your position on most processed meat. If you ever had to raise chickens you will appreciate the slaughter off them. PETA has had many shallow thinking and outright stupid campaigns and positions but maybe a positive long term affect.

The Illinoisemakers

http://www.petakillsanimals.com

Puck78

old and in the way wrote:

we can even have the luxury to decide to be so exclusive one way or the other in our diet.

this is true. I'm vegan, but when travelling in very poor country i don't pretend to try to be vegan

old and in the way wrote:

If you ever had to raise chickens you will appreciate the slaughter off them.

no, this is not true, it is eventually a personal feeling. I raised my grandmother's chikens and when she slaughtered them it was surely shoking for me

VictoryGin

NakedClown wrote:

And maybe my smart ass-like opinion on the matter comes from the fact that I'm a midwesterner now living in L.A. and there are soooo many people out here who are vegan or vegetarian ONLY BECAUSE THEY CAN NOW SAY THEY ARE PART OF THAT GROUP.

Those who do it to be trendy - and you know there are countless of them out here - deserve my ridicule!

I think your problem is that you live in LA.

"I swear to God, it's like somebody took America by the East Coast, and shook it, and all the normal girls managed to hang on."