To Those who would Vote for Hillary CLinton...

cornnifer

Get_Right wrote:

Starting with the Hillary bashers.

You'll be busy. There is definitely job security in that.

ledvedderman

polaris wrote:

what this means to me is more status quo and less change ... to say someone can bridge the gap means that they are gonna try and please everyone ... which means that no actual change will occur ...

Right now the Senate and House are Democratic, but not by much. If there is anything substantial that some Dems wouldn't vote for you need a President who can reach across the aisle and work with them to get something passed. That's how it works.

I think deep down we all want the same things, it's the means to getting there that have been fucked up for so long.

ledvedderman

Get_Right wrote:

like what if you knew there was a good chance you would be the official white house framer if she was elected

You're going to be the official White House Get_Right?!?! Nice.

Get_Right

ledvedderman wrote:

You're going to be the official White House Get_Right?!?! Nice.

Will be in charge of making sure Hillary listens to the lukin>not for you>blood sequence before addressing Congress.

And making sure she doesnt get too RIGHT.

polaris

ledvedderman wrote:

Right now the Senate and House are Democratic, but not by much. If there is anything substantial that some Dems wouldn't vote for you need a President who can reach across the aisle and work with them to get something passed. That's how it works.

I think deep down we all want the same things, it's the means to getting there that have been fucked up for so long.

the country needs a president prepared to make tough decisions ... decisions on the war machine, decisions on a failing economy, decisions on actions against climate change ... every one of those issues will require someone who is prepared to piss off special interests ... every member of congress is pretty much tied to some group that will be affected ... how is it possible to appease everyone?

redsdisease

All of the Hillary bashing on this thread is so baseless. I hear a great deal about how the Clintons have no integrity or how they are scoundrels, but nobody bothers to post any reason why they feel this way.

ledvedderman

redsdisease wrote:

All of the Hillary bashing on this thread is so baseless. I hear a great deal about how the Clintons have no integrity or how they are scoundrels, but nobody bothers to post any reason why they feel this way.

As was posted earlier.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/29/AR2008012902998_pf.html

It doesn't get more dirty and underhanded than this. The whole "fuck what the party said" mentallity is typical of the Clinton's. It's their way or the highway.

Pacomc79

polaris wrote:

the country needs a president prepared to make tough decisions ... decisions on the war machine, decisions on a failing economy, decisions on actions against climate change ... every one of those issues will require someone who is prepared to piss off special interests ... every member of congress is pretty much tied to some group that will be affected ... how is it possible to appease everyone?

Interesting you bring up special interests. Who is president often determines which special interests are stroked and which ones are shafted it dosen't change the relationship to special interest groups and the greasing of the political wheels. The more "experience" the canidate has the more potential they have been corrupted by special interest. Pissing off one and stroking another just creates new and different issues. As they say...Follow the Money you'll find the dirt.

This is quite an interesting thread. I'll say this, I sure hope in 20 years or so we can move on to the content of the persons character rather than gender or pigmentation. I get that these kinds of things haven't happened yet and this is the reason for some of the passion in this area, I just think segmentation and division by race creed and gender etc aren't helping things. I'll be nice to get the first Black and or Female president out of the way so there is a precident. Personally I have a profound distrust of the Hillary Clinton, because of White Water and the various other nefarious events (dead witnesses, theft of documents, a lot of pardons..... not quite Louisiana politics but close) as well as the general ruthless style of campaigning not really on ideas but moreso on targeting various gender, race, or socioeconomic groups to pit against a particular easy straw man. Kind of like this administration did when they decided to invade Iraq. I'd like to see a woman president soon, but not this one not now. I'd much rather see Obama.

ledvedderman

polaris wrote:

the country needs a president prepared to make tough decisions ... decisions on the war machine, decisions on a failing economy, decisions on actions against climate change ... every one of those issues will require someone who is prepared to piss off special interests ... every member of congress is pretty much tied to some group that will be affected ... how is it possible to appease everyone?

You are correct. You don't have to appease EVERYONE, just enough to get whatever you want passed. Sometimes that requires working with the other side of the aisle and Obama has proven to be good at that. The Clinton's...not so much.

Just look at how they attacked Obama for even mentioning Ronnie a couple of weeks ago. Is that the partisanship that you want for the next four or eight years every night on the evening news?

cornnifer

redsdisease wrote:

All of the Hillary bashing on this thread is so baseless. I hear a great deal about how the Clintons have no integrity or how they are scoundrels, but nobody bothers to post any reason why they feel this way.

It isn't baseless, and you havn't been reading. i'll, speaking only for myself, summarize just a little. bill's presidency speaks for itself. Lies, perjury, evidence tampering, more lies, impeachment. billary's current campaigning is much the same. Lies, fabrications, distortions of record, fake tears, planted rally hecklers, stupid fucking lawsuits when you don't get the endorsements you want, race baiting (attempting to tokenize Obama as the "black candidate and then blaming HIM for playing the race card), making pacts within the democratinc party to ignore Michigan and Florida and then turning your back on them when you realize "fuck, i might lose", bill and hillary running around like Deagol and Smeagol from the Lord of the Rings... would you like me to continue, or is that enough?

tybird

slightofjeff wrote:

One is a corporate candidate who would use his influence to oppress the poor and give tax cuts to the rich.

The other is a corporate candidate who would use her influence to take everyone's guns and force everyone to have mandatory abortions.

I thought that both would their influence to oppress the poor and give tax cuts to their supporters.

slightofjeff

cornnifer wrote:

bill and hillary running around like Deagol and Smeagol from the Lord of the Rings...

OK, this made me laugh.

slightofjeff

by the way, I kind of feel bad everyone is bashing Get_Right's positions. I really was curious as to the reasons one would support Hillary. I wish we could choose another thread to bash those reasons.

ledvedderman

slightofjeff wrote:

by the way, I kind of feel bad everyone is bashing Get_Right's positions. I really was curious as to the reasons one would support Hillary. I wish we could choose another thread to bash those reasons.

That's why it's always so much more fun to bash Roland

slightofjeff

ledvedderman wrote:

That's why it's always so much more fun to bash Roland

[EDIT: Nevermind]

Get_Right

slightofjeff wrote:

by the way, I kind of feel bad everyone is bashing Get_Right's positions. I really was curious as to the reasons one would support Hillary. I wish we could choose another thread to bash those reasons.

Thanks for that. I was playing devils advocate a little bit, but I am supporting her.

MasterFramer

cornnifer wrote:

It isn't baseless, and you havn't been reading. i'll, speaking only for myself, summarize just a little. bill's presidency speaks for itself. Lies, perjury, evidence tampering, more lies, impeachment. billary's current campaigning is much the same. Lies, fabrications, distortions of record, fake tears, planted rally hecklers, stupid fucking lawsuits when you don't get the endorsements you want, race baiting (attempting to tokenize Obama as the "black candidate and then blaming HIM for playing the race card), making pacts within the democratinc party to ignore Michigan and Florida and then turning your back on them when you realize "fuck, i might lose", bill and hillary running around like Deagol and Smeagol from the Lord of the Rings... would you like me to continue, or is that enough?

You forgot the Clintons fucked over Stan Lee too... as well as Peter Paul.

"Thanks for that 1.5 Million Peter! We are only going to report 250,000 of it though, and then go behind your back and steal your business contact in Japan and ruin the business you and Stan created AND then when the public finds out you are a felon we are going to pretend we dont know you.... but we are still going to keep your money thanks for all the Senate fundraising parties too!". In a nut shell. Hillary Clinton is fucking dirty... her husband too.

MasterFramer

Get_Right wrote:

Thanks for that. I was playing devils advocate a little bit, but I am supporting her.

But just to be clear you are voting for her because of a job opportunity?

Get_Right

MasterFramer wrote:

But just to be clear you are voting for her because of a job opportunity?

No. But if she gets elected it will financially benefit me-thats the best I can do.

MasterFramer

Get_Right wrote:

No. But if she gets elected it will financially benefit me-thats the best I can do.

So you want us to have a crooked dirty president so you can get paid? Awesome...

I suggest you look into the Peter Paul story... it may change your mind.