One is a corporate candidate who would use his influence to oppress the poor and give tax cuts to the rich.
The other is a corporate candidate who would use her influence to take everyone's guns and force everyone to have mandatory abortions.
I thought that both would their influence to oppress the poor and give tax cuts to their supporters.
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
by the way, I kind of feel bad everyone is bashing Get_Right's positions. I really was curious as to the reasons one would support Hillary. I wish we could choose another thread to bash those reasons.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
by the way, I kind of feel bad everyone is bashing Get_Right's positions. I really was curious as to the reasons one would support Hillary. I wish we could choose another thread to bash those reasons.
That's why it's always so much more fun to bash Roland
by the way, I kind of feel bad everyone is bashing Get_Right's positions. I really was curious as to the reasons one would support Hillary. I wish we could choose another thread to bash those reasons.
Thanks for that. I was playing devils advocate a little bit, but I am supporting her.
It isn't baseless, and you havn't been reading. i'll, speaking only for myself, summarize just a little. bill's presidency speaks for itself. Lies, perjury, evidence tampering, more lies, impeachment. billary's current campaigning is much the same. Lies, fabrications, distortions of record, fake tears, planted rally hecklers, stupid fucking lawsuits when you don't get the endorsements you want, race baiting (attempting to tokenize Obama as the "black candidate and then blaming HIM for playing the race card), making pacts within the democratinc party to ignore Michigan and Florida and then turning your back on them when you realize "fuck, i might lose", bill and hillary running around like Deagol and Smeagol from the Lord of the Rings... would you like me to continue, or is that enough?
You forgot the Clintons fucked over Stan Lee too... as well as Peter Paul.
"Thanks for that 1.5 Million Peter! We are only going to report 250,000 of it though, and then go behind your back and steal your business contact in Japan and ruin the business you and Stan created AND then when the public finds out you are a felon we are going to pretend we dont know you.... but we are still going to keep your money thanks for all the Senate fundraising parties too!". In a nut shell. Hillary Clinton is fucking dirty... her husband too.
No. But if she gets elected it will financially benefit me-thats the best I can do.
Do you have a gambling problem?? Should I look up the vegas odds of her getting elected. Maybe I'm missing out on an opportunity here haha.
I was taught a month ago to bide my time and take it slow, but then I learned just yesterday to rush and never waste a day. Now I'm convinced the whole day long that all I've learned is always wrong. Things are true that I forget, but no one taught that to me yet
So in a conversation about why people support hillary clinton, the only person who supports her won't give us the reason? Only saying that they'll make money?
So the only people who support hillary are getting paid to do so?
And by the way, Billy Boy's comments the last couple of weeks are just dumb.
So you want us to have a crooked dirty president so you can get paid? Awesome...
I suggest you look into the Peter Paul story... it may change your mind.
Yes-sort of. I know the story, it wont change my mind.
I dont like any of the candidates frankly, so I am supporting the one who I think will have a direct positve impact on my life. Thats really all there is to it. Told ya my reasons were personal.
This is a fun game, guessing what you have to benefit.
You said the gambling thing was out.
You also said you were the Clinton Framer and everyone assumed you were going to frame others for her... Touche!!!
You have dirt on her?!?! You are going to frame her!!!
You are our generations DeepThroat?? Who's you Woodward? Brokaw?
Who's your Bernstein? I hope it's somebody awesome like Conan O'Brian.
I was taught a month ago to bide my time and take it slow, but then I learned just yesterday to rush and never waste a day. Now I'm convinced the whole day long that all I've learned is always wrong. Things are true that I forget, but no one taught that to me yet
This is a fun game, guessing what you have to benefit.
You said the gambling thing was out.
You also said you were the Clinton Framer and everyone assumed you were going to frame others for her... Touche!!!
You have dirt on her?!?! You are going to frame her!!!
You are our generations DeepThroat?? Who's you Woodward? Brokaw?
Who's your Bernstein? I hope it's somebody awesome like Conan O'Brian.
Believe me, its nothing that exciting, nor do to the clintons have any idea who I am. Although I have met them a few times.
All of the Hillary bashing on this thread is so baseless. I hear a great deal about how the Clintons have no integrity or how they are scoundrels, but nobody bothers to post any reason why they feel this way.
Baseless? It's called a pair of ears and a pair of eyeballs.
one foot in the door
the other foot in the gutter
sweet smell that they adore
I think I'd rather smother
-The Replacements-
People hate Hillary so much, to me it's sort of ridiculous. Honestly there is not too much difference between Hillary and Obama as far as I'm concerned. Their policies are very similar. They'll both do absolutely nothing to fix the things that actaully need fixing. Whoever wins will recieve funding from exactly the same corporations and will spend their presidency protecting them.
As far as I'm concerned, Bill Clinton was the best president that we've had in a long time. Was he a good president? I would say no. Did he fuck loads of people over? Yes. Did he believe that he was doing the right thing? I believe so. Obama will fuck loads of people over too if he gets elected, it's part of American politics. The whole idealism thing is over once a candidate takes office.
Either way, none of the candidates support my beliefs or values, so I don't support any of them.
People hate Hillary so much, to me it's sort of ridiculous. Honestly there is not too much difference between Hillary and Obama as far as I'm concerned. Their policies are very similar. They'll both do absolutely nothing to fix the things that actaully need fixing. Whoever wins will recieve funding from exactly the same corporations and will spend their presidency protecting them.
As far as I'm concerned, Bill Clinton was the best president that we've had in a long time. Was he a good president? I would say no. Did he fuck loads of people over? Yes. Did he believe that he was doing the right thing? I believe so. Obama will fuck loads of people over too if he gets elected, it's part of American politics. The whole idealism thing is over once a candidate takes office.
Either way, none of the candidates support my beliefs or values, so I don't support any of them.
You're free to support or NOT support whoever you want. That is the truly repectable approach to things. That being said, your full of beans about Obama and clinton. Whereas there may not be a wide chasm in difference in their policy proposals (there is some and if you listen carefully, clinton is beginning to bend her to sound more like his), the two are not the same. Not even close. Obama is the Anti-clinton. The only people Obama will "fuck over" are those that truly deserve to be "fucked". Those that have been "fucking" the majority of us for waaaay to long. He is the real deal, once in probably a lifetime opprotunity for this nation, and i fear we will be to stupid to seize it.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
People hate Hillary so much, to me it's sort of ridiculous. Honestly there is not too much difference between Hillary and Obama as far as I'm concerned. Their policies are very similar.
I totally agree with this, they think alike on almost every major issue except for one difference. Hillary voted for the war in Iraq and supported the invasion and now conveniently basically says, "Well if I'd have known it would have gotten so fucked up, I never would have supported it. My bad."
Obama was against the war from day one, voted against it and I believe even went to a few anti-war rallies which in my estimation takes a lot of balls. Hillary tells people what she thinks they want to hear. Obama has ideals and integrity and doesn't waiver. This is the fundamental difference between the two and why Obama supporters find Hillary so despicable. I think the South Carolina Clinton campaign showed their true colors and was a huge political mistake that will ultimately be Hillary's undoing.
one foot in the door
the other foot in the gutter
sweet smell that they adore
I think I'd rather smother
-The Replacements-
How about this for a reason to stay clear of Hillary. More Hillary = less PJ this fall. If Obama gets the nomination I see the band getting behind him and playing at least a few benefits this fall. But I highly doubt the band will be going out of their way to help Hillary. So in the end a vote for Obama is a vote for a possible PJ tour. I don't think anybody wants a fall with no PJ and lots of Hillary.
The only people Obama will "fuck over" are those that truly deserve to be "fucked". Those that have been "fucking" the majority of us for waaaay to long. He is the real deal, once in probably a lifetime opprotunity for this nation, and i fear we will be to stupid to seize it.
It's nice to see people inspired. However, like I said before, Barrack Obama is not advocating the kind of change that is desperately needed. Nobody is. You're conception that he is going to fuck over "those that have been fucking the majority of us for waaaay too long," is absurd. I will eat my hat (well beanie) if I actually see him do anything to reduce the control that large, private corporations have in the government and world.
I will eat my hat (well beanie) if I actually see him do anything to reduce the control that large, private corporations have in the government and world.
O.k., but no condiments and i want pictures posted in this forum. We'll call it "the official redsdisease eating his beanie thread".
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
Obama was against the war from day one, voted against it
Wow ... the Iraq vote went all the way to the floor of the Illinois senate, huh? Because that's where Obama was in 2003.
Truth is, we have no idea whether or not Obama was against the war "from day one." He says he was, but we can't know. This is one of his greatest strengths, when it comes to electability ... he has no record to contradict him on this subject. He showed up on the scene after the war had already gone south, and it was easy to say you were against it.
Now, would he have been against the war from the beginning anyway? Yeah, maybe. But we'll just have to take his word for it.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Things change. They wont change unless you make them. The best way to change something you don't like, is to change yourself. So if you feel like you have a piece of duct tape on your mouth and you can't escape, take it off, speak up, speak your mind, shout it out, let 'em hear ya! -EV
I don't think it's the political opinions that are turning people on an off of Obama and Hillary Clinton.
I think it's Hillarys Attitude and the Crocodile Tears along with the out right smug attitude that this is "Her Nomination she's earned it feeling" that she gives people. Basically whether it's true or not she comes off as a cold evil or Fake bitch in the media... never met her personally.
Obama comes off a lot more warm and engaging with more likeability.
It's really a lot more about image and likeability than it is substance.... basically because diplomacy is the same way, people will not work with you or for you if they hate you.
It's an image job. At the end of the day, Hillary is a get shit done kind of person, they make lousy CEO's and phenominal VP's.... COO's not CEO's. The Executive is the hand shaking smiling likeable diplomatic kind of guy and the COO carries the big stick.
Honestly, I think Hillary comes off as unlikeable and untrustworthy to most people.
My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
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for the least they could possibly do
for the least they could possibly do
That's why it's always so much more fun to bash Roland
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for the least they could possibly do
Thanks for that. I was playing devils advocate a little bit, but I am supporting her.
You forgot the Clintons fucked over Stan Lee too... as well as Peter Paul.
"Thanks for that 1.5 Million Peter! We are only going to report 250,000 of it though, and then go behind your back and steal your business contact in Japan and ruin the business you and Stan created AND then when the public finds out you are a felon we are going to pretend we dont know you.... but we are still going to keep your money thanks for all the Senate fundraising parties too!". In a nut shell. Hillary Clinton is fucking dirty... her husband too.
But just to be clear you are voting for her because of a job opportunity?
No. But if she gets elected it will financially benefit me-thats the best I can do.
So you want us to have a crooked dirty president so you can get paid? Awesome...
I suggest you look into the Peter Paul story... it may change your mind.
Do you have a gambling problem?? Should I look up the vegas odds of her getting elected. Maybe I'm missing out on an opportunity here haha.
So the only people who support hillary are getting paid to do so?
And by the way, Billy Boy's comments the last couple of weeks are just dumb.
Yes-sort of. I know the story, it wont change my mind.
I dont like any of the candidates frankly, so I am supporting the one who I think will have a direct positve impact on my life. Thats really all there is to it. Told ya my reasons were personal.
good guess
but no
Let me know what odds you get, I may be in for a piece of the action.
You said the gambling thing was out.
You also said you were the Clinton Framer and everyone assumed you were going to frame others for her... Touche!!!
You have dirt on her?!?! You are going to frame her!!!
You are our generations DeepThroat?? Who's you Woodward? Brokaw?
Who's your Bernstein? I hope it's somebody awesome like Conan O'Brian.
Believe me, its nothing that exciting, nor do to the clintons have any idea who I am. Although I have met them a few times.
Baseless? It's called a pair of ears and a pair of eyeballs.
the other foot in the gutter
sweet smell that they adore
I think I'd rather smother
-The Replacements-
As far as I'm concerned, Bill Clinton was the best president that we've had in a long time. Was he a good president? I would say no. Did he fuck loads of people over? Yes. Did he believe that he was doing the right thing? I believe so. Obama will fuck loads of people over too if he gets elected, it's part of American politics. The whole idealism thing is over once a candidate takes office.
Either way, none of the candidates support my beliefs or values, so I don't support any of them.
I totally agree with this, they think alike on almost every major issue except for one difference. Hillary voted for the war in Iraq and supported the invasion and now conveniently basically says, "Well if I'd have known it would have gotten so fucked up, I never would have supported it. My bad."
Obama was against the war from day one, voted against it and I believe even went to a few anti-war rallies which in my estimation takes a lot of balls. Hillary tells people what she thinks they want to hear. Obama has ideals and integrity and doesn't waiver. This is the fundamental difference between the two and why Obama supporters find Hillary so despicable. I think the South Carolina Clinton campaign showed their true colors and was a huge political mistake that will ultimately be Hillary's undoing.
the other foot in the gutter
sweet smell that they adore
I think I'd rather smother
-The Replacements-
I know why! I know why!!!
i think i've figured it out also. Intern position.
O.k., but no condiments and i want pictures posted in this forum. We'll call it "the official redsdisease eating his beanie thread".
Wow ... the Iraq vote went all the way to the floor of the Illinois senate, huh? Because that's where Obama was in 2003.
Truth is, we have no idea whether or not Obama was against the war "from day one." He says he was, but we can't know. This is one of his greatest strengths, when it comes to electability ... he has no record to contradict him on this subject. He showed up on the scene after the war had already gone south, and it was easy to say you were against it.
Now, would he have been against the war from the beginning anyway? Yeah, maybe. But we'll just have to take his word for it.
for the least they could possibly do
This will help you decide who to vote for
Barack Obama 79% similarity
Hillary Clinton 75% similarity
pretty interesting site
Interesting indeed.
for the least they could possibly do
I think it's Hillarys Attitude and the Crocodile Tears along with the out right smug attitude that this is "Her Nomination she's earned it feeling" that she gives people. Basically whether it's true or not she comes off as a cold evil or Fake bitch in the media... never met her personally.
Obama comes off a lot more warm and engaging with more likeability.
It's really a lot more about image and likeability than it is substance.... basically because diplomacy is the same way, people will not work with you or for you if they hate you.
It's an image job. At the end of the day, Hillary is a get shit done kind of person, they make lousy CEO's and phenominal VP's.... COO's not CEO's. The Executive is the hand shaking smiling likeable diplomatic kind of guy and the COO carries the big stick.
Honestly, I think Hillary comes off as unlikeable and untrustworthy to most people.