To Obama Supporters...

CarneviL

This country is heading in the wrong direction...

cornnifer

CarneviL wrote:

This country is heading in the wrong direction...

Please be fucking quiet. Where do you get this stuff? Sean Hannity is not a reputable source for information.

Vedd Hedd

macgyver06 wrote:

He seems to be very popular and getting lots of votes...

what are his huge running points and what does he plan to do when he gets elected??


anyone have a clue about this??

No offense, but I like how you phrase it....as if nobody has a clue to what he's running on....

originalfire

Since this thread is about Obama I am sure somebody can help me out. My father is under the belief that Barack is a Muslim. Can anybody link a reliable source that dispels this ridiculous rumor so I can get him to shut up about it?

slightofjeff

originalfire wrote:

Since this thread is about Obama I am sure somebody can help me out. My father is under the belief that Barack is a Muslim. Can anybody link a reliable source that dispels this ridiculous rumor so I can get him to shut up about it?

snopes.com

MasterFramer

originalfire wrote:

Since this thread is about Obama I am sure somebody can help me out. My father is under the belief that Barack is a Muslim. Can anybody link a reliable source that dispels this ridiculous rumor so I can get him to shut up about it?

I have a knucklehead father when it comes to politics too man, I feel your pain

MasterFramer

callen wrote:

Our world is on edge....most of the worlds population hates us.......once we show them we're not bunch of war mongering humans...and think Obama will do this...they will once again embrace us, our products.....tourism....hell I'm thinking price of oil will go down....all stimulating our as well as the worlds economies.

Do realize I'm being verrrrry optimistic, but well see. (-:

Just one of the many benefits of an Obama presidency.

redsdisease

Vedd Hedd wrote:

No offense, but I like how you phrase it....as if nobody has a clue to what he's running on....

If I went by what I read on this message board, that's what I would believe. In this entire thread, nobody has actually answered him. A few people mentioned that he inspires them. One person said that he would make them proud to be American again (and got some pats on the back). There were a few people that I thought were going to talk about his economic policies, but no, it was the charisma thing again. Some people mentioned that he might bring both parties together, again because of his charisma. I haven't seen a single post where anybody actually pointed out which of his policy stances they prefer over anybody elses.

I'm not saying that people don't have deeper reasons for prefering him (or even that there's anything wrong with voting for somebody because they're inspirational). I just find it interesting that, even in a thread where people are specifically asked, people still won't talk about the issues.

MasterFramer

redsdisease wrote:

If I went by what I read on this message board, that's what I would believe. In this entire thread, nobody has actually answered him. A few people mentioned that he inspires them. One person said that he would make them proud to be American again (and got some pats on the back). There were a few people that I thought were going to talk about his economic policies, but no, it was the charisma thing again. Some people mentioned that he might bring both parties together, again because of his charisma. I haven't seen a single post where anybody actually pointed out which of his policy stances they prefer over anybody elses.

I'm not saying that people don't have deeper reasons for prefering him (or even that there's anything wrong with voting for somebody because they're inspirational). I just find it interesting that, even in a thread where people are specifically asked, people still won't talk about the issues.

THE WAR... he was right, I thought it was a bad idea too.

The Clintons are dirty.

Obama is my man... I dont understand why "he inspires me" is a bad reason to vote for the highest office in the country. Things get done when people are motivated, his speeches are moving, to both sides. Children are "inspired" by teachers... athletes "inspired" by greats before them, and so on. I dont want a president that "has a hell of a foreign policy". I want one that makes me feel like the country might make a turn for the better. Please inform me why this is not a "good enough" reason to vote for Obama, as you have implied.

originalfire

slightofjeff wrote:

snopes.com

Thanks

redsdisease

MasterFramer wrote:

THE WAR... he was right, I thought it was a bad idea too.

The Clintons are dirty.

Obama is my man... I dont understand why "he inspires me" is a bad reason to vote for the highest office in the country. Things get done when people are motivated, his speeches are moving, to both sides. Children are "inspired" by teachers... athletes "inspired" by greats before them, and so on. I dont want a president that "has a hell of a foreign policy". I want one that makes me feel like the country might make a turn for the better. Please inform me why this is not a "good enough" reason to vote for Obama, as you have implied.

If you read my post I actually said that there was nothing wrong with voting for someone because they're inspirational. All I was pointing out, was that even when directly asked, nobody has offered any real concrete matters of policy that they prefer over other candidates.

Just remember; once a candidate is in office and making policy decisions, being inspirational won't cut it.

Another thing, people on this board always throw out that the Clintons are "dirty," nobody ever says why though. Did I miss something big?

originalfire

MasterFramer wrote:

I have a knucklehead father when it comes to politics too man, I feel your pain

Lol, he supports Hilary because he feels it will be a return of the Bill Clinton years. I think Obama is a breath of fresh air and seems more genuine than Hilary, though it should be about the candidates stances on the issues rather than their personalities. I guess we never really leave our high school ways behind as the presidential race always boils down to a personality contest on both sides.

MasterFramer

redsdisease wrote:

If you read my post I actually said that there was nothing wrong with voting for someone because they're inspirational. All I was pointing out, was that even when directly asked, nobody has offered any real concrete matters of policy that they prefer over other candidates.

Just remember; once a candidate is in office and making policy decisions, being inspirational won't cut it.

Another thing, people on this board always throw out that the Clintons are "dirty," nobody ever says why though. Did I miss something big?

From my understanding JFK was more inspiring than substance... Obama is qualified as anyone else running, to say otherwise is ignoring his record.

Clintons...
Ever hear of Peter Paul and Stan Lee? Look them up and see how the Clintons hustled a hustler and screwed the creator of Spiderman (:))... These two are so two faced I dont understand how people dont see it.

More of the same shit here from Bill...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

MasterFramer

originalfire wrote:

Lol, he supports Hilary because he feels it will be a return of the Bill Clinton years. I think Obama is a breath of fresh air and seems more genuine than Hilary, though it should be about the candidates stances on the issues rather than their personalities. I guess we never really leave our high school ways behind as the presidential race always boils down to a personality contest on both sides.

He's more than that, give him more credit and tell as many people who will listen they gotta go with Obama this time. No more Dynasties

Telomere

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

Follow the above link to Obama's web page. There is a link to a 60 page PDF file here called "The Blueprint for Change". This outlines the man's policies and beliefs pretty well. Policy junkies may find it a bit light on details, but it is a good step in the right direction if you are looking for information.

redsdisease

Telomere wrote:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

Follow the above link to Obama's web page. There is a link to a 60 page PDF file here called "The Blueprint for Change". This outlines the man's policies and beliefs pretty well. Policy junkies may find it a bit light on details, but it is a good step in the right direction if you are looking for information.

I'm not argueing that he lacks policies, it just makes me nervous when large amounts of people support candidates because of things like charisma. I've had enough bad experiences with charismatic people who seem bursting with integrity in my life to know that people are not always who they appear to be.

Don't misunderstand me, I don't think that Obama is a bad candidate and I don't support Clinton. As I've said before, none of the candidates represent my beliefs, so I don't give them mine.

originalfire

MasterFramer wrote:

He's more than that, give him more credit and tell as many people who will listen they gotta go with Obama this time. No more Dynasties

I agree but unfortunately some of the older crowd still dismisses him for the sole reason he is black and would rather have Hilary instead. I think maybe he could win in another ten years but i hope I am wrong. I too am tired of dynasties.

ledvedderman

redsdisease wrote:

If I went by what I read on this message board, that's what I would believe. In this entire thread, nobody has actually answered him. A few people mentioned that he inspires them. One person said that he would make them proud to be American again (and got some pats on the back). There were a few people that I thought were going to talk about his economic policies, but no, it was the charisma thing again. Some people mentioned that he might bring both parties together, again because of his charisma. I haven't seen a single post where anybody actually pointed out which of his policy stances they prefer over anybody elses.

I'm not saying that people don't have deeper reasons for prefering him (or even that there's anything wrong with voting for somebody because they're inspirational). I just find it interesting that, even in a thread where people are specifically asked, people still won't talk about the issues.

If anyone were to vote for Obama because of stuff they've read on a Pearl Jam message board then that is their own fault. People have been pointed time and time again to links stating his policies. It's like beating a dead horse anymore.

slightofjeff

redsdisease wrote:

If you read my post I actually said that there was nothing wrong with voting for someone because they're inspirational.

But I think there is. Ask the Germans. They thought Hitler was pretty inspirational, too. Then halfway through his administration they're like, "He wants us to gas who now?"

Not that I am comparing Obama to Hitler ... my point is, people should vote for someone on an intellectual level, not an emotional one. It's easy for a good orator to tug at the heart strings and get you to believe what they want you to believe. It's how televangelists convince old people to mail them their retirement checks. What good is voting for someone who "inspires" you, if what he wants to accomplish is diametrically opposed to what you believe?

I'll take substance over style anytime. And if a person thinks Obama has substance, by all means vote for him. It's just funny, like you said, few people are really able to articulate the substance of Obama's message ... which automatically makes me a little wary of him.

Dirty Mosquito

originalfire wrote:

Since this thread is about Obama I am sure somebody can help me out. My father is under the belief that Barack is a Muslim. Can anybody link a reliable source that dispels this ridiculous rumor so I can get him to shut up about it?

So what if he is a Muslim. God, this administration and the war in Iraq and the war on terror has got everyone in the country thinking that all Muslims are evil! It's the radicals you have to worry about. Just like the radical Christians, which is what Bush is.

Personally I could care less about someone's religious beliefs. What happened to having Church seperate from state??