To Obama Supporters...

callen

cornnifer wrote:

i think your just pissed because when RP speaks he sounds like Bush speaking through voice changing software. Mumble mouth motherfucker. So now the ability to actually convey a message in an articulate manner that engages people is a flaw? Please This is the dumbest knock i've heard on Obama (and it isn't just you). Thats how a leader is supposed to speak. Have you listened to him. Tell RP to get his hands off your ears while your blowing him and maybe you will actually hear what the man is saying and realize there is plenty of substance to go with the eloquence.

Comparing Ron to Dubya on speaking abilities reminds me of the Swift Boat episode.....or the Obama is a Muslim and doesn't salute the flag BS.

chopitdown

callen wrote:

How many Billions has this war cost us? We didn't have that money either....not saying I'm for this spending. Plus the house and senate have something to say.

I'm convinced that if we do elect Obama...the value of our dollar will climb....people of the world will flood our economy with $$'s.

i agree we don't have that money and they resources to conitue spending like we (pres and congress) are...i'd like to know why the world will flood our economy with Obama in charge, sincerely. Do you think it's b/c people see him as a nicer guy and has a less threatening agenda therefore people will invest in our economy again? If Obama and the congress do approve more money being spent and they don't cut spending anywhere how can the value of our dollar climb, especially since a lot of our manufacturing jobs are going overseas and we keep borrowing money from other countries? I like Obamas charisma but I'm very skeptical of his plans and the consequences of them.

callen

chopitdown wrote:

i agree we don't have that money and they resources to conitue spending like we (pres and congress) are...i'd like to know why the world will flood our economy with Obama in charge, sincerely. Do you think it's b/c people see him as a nicer guy and has a less threatening agenda therefore people will invest in our economy again? .

Our world is on edge....most of the worlds population hates us.......once we show them we're not bunch of war mongering humans...and think Obama will do this...they will once again embrace us, our products.....tourism....hell I'm thinking price of oil will go down....all stimulating our as well as the worlds economies.

Do realize I'm being verrrrry optimistic, but well see. (-:

chopitdown

callen wrote:

Our world is on edge....most of the worlds population hates us.......once we show them we're not bunch of war mongering humans...and think Obama will do this...they will once again embrace us, our products.....tourism....hell I'm thinking price of oil will go down....all stimulating our as well as the worlds economies.

Do realize I'm being verrrrry optimistic, but well see. (-:

if he's elected, i hope you're right, I really do.

*on a side note...a lot of our products are now made in china...wouldn't it be great if those companies moved their production back to the US and the money spent by american consumers went into the american economy rather than into the economy of other countries?

polaris

chopitdown wrote:

if he's elected, i hope you're right, I really do.

*on a side note...a lot of our products are now made in china...wouldn't it be great if those companies moved their production back to the US and the money spent by american consumers went into the american economy rather than into the economy of other countries?

and this is the rub ...

this may work except the big corporations are not going to make loads of money ... and this ultimately is what drives policy now ...

callen

chopitdown wrote:

if he's elected, i hope you're right, I really do.

*on a side note...a lot of our products are now made in china...wouldn't it be great if those companies moved their production back to the US and the money spent by american consumers went into the american economy rather than into the economy of other countries?

*agree just not sure how to do that.

chopitdown

polaris wrote:

and this is the rub ...

this may work except the big corporations are not going to make loads of money ... and this ultimately is what drives policy now ...

yep, as much as i think Obama's ideas are somewhat Utopic I also have to concede that Ron Pauls ideas (and I like a majority of what he stands for) have a built in assumption of corporate and personal goodness.

polaris

chopitdown wrote:

yep, as much as i think Obama's ideas are somewhat Utopic I also have to concede that Ron Pauls ideas (and I like a majority of what he stands for) have a built in assumption of corporate and personal goodness.

well ... corporations operate within the "rules" they have been given ... unfortunately right now, they are writing the rules ...

chopitdown

callen wrote:

*agree just not sure how to do that.

that's 2 of us.

Skitch Patterson

I will say this about Obama...

and this is both a great thing and a scary thing.


I dont vote democrat. I just rarely do. Most of their policies and ideas go against my personal beliefs. (no condescending "please explain..."- thanks, this is about the appeal of obama.)

However, I watch Obama speak and he gets me fired up to support shit i dont even support. He is a fantastic salesman, and that ability to arouse emotion and passion would probably do a lot of the "uniting" you hear about, both with the legislature and leaders of other countries. He appears to be a leader in the truest sense of the word- my only concern would be what he would be leading us to.

slightofjeff

Skitch Patterson wrote:

I will say this about Obama...

and this is both a great thing and a scary thing.


I dont vote democrat. I just rarely do. Most of their policies and ideas go against my personal beliefs. (no condescending "please explain..."- thanks, this is about the appeal of obama.)

However, I watch Obama speak and he gets me fired up to support shit i dont even support. He is a fantastic salesman, and that ability to arouse emotion and passion would probably do a lot of the "uniting" you hear about, both with the legislature and leaders of other countries. He appears to be a leader in the truest sense of the word- my only concern would be what he would be leading us to.

I made a similar post on another thread. If you take any of those "who should you vote for" tests, I ALWAYS come out farthest away from Obama.

Yet he's the guy I personally like the most.

I'm still not going to vote for him, on account of I apparently disagree with him on everything. But I like him.

cornnifer

slightofjeff wrote:

I made a similar post on another thread. If you take any of those "who should you vote for" tests, I ALWAYS come out farthest away from Obama.

Yet he's the guy I personally like the most.

I'm still not going to vote for him, on account of I apparently disagree with him on everything. But I like him.

i'm beginning to think A LOT of Americans (not necessarily you) make up their minds this way! They answer 5 to 10 questions (questions they don't really understand) on an internet quiz, and then vote accordingly. Scary shit.

anotherclone

Skitch Patterson wrote:

I will say this about Obama...

and this is both a great thing and a scary thing.


I dont vote democrat. I just rarely do. Most of their policies and ideas go against my personal beliefs. (no condescending "please explain..."- thanks, this is about the appeal of obama.)

However, I watch Obama speak and he gets me fired up to support shit i dont even support. He is a fantastic salesman, and that ability to arouse emotion and passion would probably do a lot of the "uniting" you hear about, both with the legislature and leaders of other countries. He appears to be a leader in the truest sense of the word- my only concern would be what he would be leading us to.

He does get you fired up! I'm not sure how that guy does it, but I like the feeling. You ask what he is leading us to? How do we know what any of these people are really going to lead us into? I feel like it certainly can't get any worse. No matter who gets elected.

Seriously though, I kind of feel like all candidates and the president come into things with great ideas and just a small fraction of them actually become reality. Like the revamping of social security. GWB was all "gung ho" and it just kind of frittered out with other things taking its place of importance. Like back-burnered, if you will.

Obama has a website, like all of them do, that outlines his position on various issues. If someone is really interested, you can always check it out.

slightofjeff

cornnifer wrote:

i'm beginning to think A LOT of Americans (not necessarily you) make up their minds this way! They answer 5 to 10 questions (questions they don't really understand) on an internet quiz, and then vote accordingly. Scary shit.

well, no, I don't make up my mind that way. Those are for entertainment purposes only.

That said, when you look at it issue by issue, I don't think it's that far off. I disagree with Obama on basically everything.

I'm actually more concerned about people who would vote for a candidate simply because he gives cool speeches, which I think it what is happening with Obama right now. Oh, "he makes me feel good" or "he gets me fired up." Please. I'd much rather have people investigate the policies behind the oratory, and make a decision based on that.

anotherclone

cornnifer wrote:

i'm beginning to think A LOT of Americans (not necessarily you) make up their minds this way! They answer 5 to 10 questions (questions they don't really understand) on an internet quiz, and then vote accordingly. Scary shit.

I think I remember reading something that says that these quizes are actually things set up by various candidates to help push you to chosing them? by that I mean, I think Huckabee has one that no matter what you say, it will still suggest him as your candidate of choice.

slightofjeff

anotherclone wrote:

GWB was all "gung ho" and it just kind of frittered out with other things taking its place of importance. Like back-burnered, if you will.

It frittered out because nobody wanted it (with the exception, maybe, of me). He went on a multi-state tour trying to sell it. Nobody was buying. Old people don't want you messing with their social security. Greedy fucks.

slightofjeff

anotherclone wrote:

I think I remember reading something that says that these quizes are actually things set up by various candidates to help push you to chosing them? by that I mean, I think Huckabee has one that no matter what you say, it will still suggest him as your candidate of choice.

yeah, that wouldn't surprise me at all. It's easy to do.

anotherclone

slightofjeff wrote:

It frittered out because nobody wanted it (with the exception, maybe, of me). He went on a multi-state tour trying to sell it. Nobody was buying. Old people don't want you messing with their social security. Greedy fucks.

"Greedy fucks". (that made me giggle.) Still it frittered out. That's my point. All politicians have great ideas, its getting from A to Z that's the hard part.


I'm off topic now. Sorry 'bout that.

DriftingByTheStorm

cornnifer wrote:

Please This is the dumbest knock i've heard on Obama (and it isn't just you). Thats how a leader is supposed to speak. Have you listened to him. .

I have legitimate policy disagreements with Obama.

And i think that at LEAST half of his supporters are just judging a book by its cover. Which is a flaw in his supporters not him.

HIS problem is his policies, which while decent (or so it seems) are naive ... or just don't address anything of relative substance.

At least i can articulate my actualy policy disagreements, which is more than most of you ron paul haters who don't even understand what the fuck he is saying.

slightofjeff

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

I have legitimate policy disagreements with Obama.

And i think that at LEAST half of his supporters are just judging a book by its cover. Which is a flaw in his supporters not him.

HIS problem is his policies, which while decent (or so it seems) are naive ... or just don't address anything of relative substance.

I tend to agree with this.

Obama strikes me as a decent, well-intentioned human being who would probably be in over his head if elected. I'm just sayin' ...