Bush and Iraq

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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    mammasan wrote:
    So derived from the facts that you presented you believe that the Kurds where deserving of Saddam's actions? It's not a hard question to answer, so quit beating around the bush.

    Saddam=Iraq .... right..

    in this statement?
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    macgyver06 wrote:
    The kurds were treated as terrorists by Iraq's supporters of the Iran/Iraq war.

    Wheren't our founding fathers treated like terrorists by the British. Wheren't the native indians treated like terrorists by the US government. The Kurds where treated like terrorist by Iraq's supporters during that period because they did not support and they interfered with our objective. If youlook back through history you will see that the US government has a nifty way of calling someone a terrorist one day and an ally the next depending on what best serves our interest. A fine example would be the fact that A US back Iraqi government just sentenced Saddam to death because of his attacks on said "terrorist". Back then it wasn't a problem but now it is because it goes to better serve our interests.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • The Illinoisemakers
    The Illinoisemakers Posts: 461
    macgyver06 wrote:
    did he actually say .. A self-Governing Iraq is a 'noble goal'

    THEY WERE SELF GOVERNED BEFORE BUSH ORDERED THE REMOVAL OF THEIR LEADERS!

    this is not a debate.

    IRAQ WAS SOVERIGN...if you dont count the food for oil program WHICH THEY ABIDED BY....

    If by SELF GOVERNED you mean Saddem self governed over a large group of people, who had no real say in how they were governed, then I am in complete agreement with you.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    macgyver06 wrote:
    Saddam=Iraq .... right..

    in this statement?


    During his reign yes Saddam=Iraq.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    mammasan wrote:
    During his reign yes Saddam=Iraq.

    if you think the citizens of Iraq didn't love their own being, there own homeland...that's kinda foolish
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    macgyver06 wrote:
    if you think the citizens of Iraq didn't love their own being, there own homeland...that's kinda foolish

    Where did I ever make that statement. You are completely avoiding any question placed before you by uttering jibberish.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    mammasan wrote:
    Where did I ever make that statement. You are completely avoiding any question placed before you by uttering jibberish.

    grrr those were english words.

    you said saddam equals iraq.
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    if i am avoiding something...i don't know what is

    im stating facts on why the kurds were murdered.
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    but can we agree that Iraq was self-governed b4 this debacle started
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    macgyver06 wrote:
    grrr those were english words.

    you said saddam equals iraq.

    Well his was the unoppossed ruler of the country. I mean didn't Iraq invade Kuwait, it wasn't Saddam invades Kuwait. Wasn't the Iran/Iraq War not the Iran/Saddam War. I'm not stating that Saddam respresents the hearts and minds of all Iraqi's but he did represent Iraq.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    macgyver06 wrote:
    did he actually say .. A self-Governing Iraq is a 'noble goal'

    THEY WERE SELF GOVERNED BEFORE BUSH ORDERED THE REMOVAL OF THEIR LEADERS!

    this is not a debate.

    IRAQ WAS SOVERIGN...if you dont count the food for oil program WHICH THEY ABIDED BY....


    Did you know Iraq was controlled by a brutal dictator for 30 years prior to america invading?


    that is a serious question
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    macgyver06 wrote:
    but can we agree that Iraq was self-governed b4 this debacle started


    no, no one will agree with you. why? because Iraq wasnt self governed. It was governed by 1 person.
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    jlew24asu wrote:
    no, no one will agree with you. why? because Iraq wasnt self governed. It was governed by 1 person.

    Iraq wasn't Self governed...it was governed by 1 person...

    does this count as a yes for me?? lol
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    jlew24asu wrote:
    Did you know Iraq was controlled by a brutal dictator for 30 years prior to america invading?


    that is a serious question

    30 years? Saddam was in power for 30 years?
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    macgyver06 wrote:
    but can we agree that Iraq was self-governed b4 this debacle started

    No we can't because Iraq was not self governed. It was under the oppressive rule of a dictator. It is no different than Iraq being ruled by a colonial power. The people in the country still do not have any representation or say in the governing of their nation.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    mammasan wrote:
    Well his was the unoppossed ruler of the country. I mean didn't Iraq invade Kuwait, it wasn't Saddam invades Kuwait. Wasn't the Iran/Iraq War not the Iran/Saddam War. I'm not stating that Saddam respresents the hearts and minds of all Iraqi's but he did represent Iraq.

    so you are against a country invading another country...
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    mammasan wrote:
    No we can't because Iraq was not self governed. It was under the oppressive rule of a dictator. It is no different than Iraq being ruled by a colonial power. The people in the country still do not have any representation or say in the governing of their nation.

    you had no say about the invasion of iraq
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    macgyver06 wrote:
    so you are against a country invading another country...

    Yes.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    ok people. I gave you the definition of Self-Governed.

    IM NOT AGREEING WITH A DICTATORSHIP. BUT A COUNTRY UNDER A DICTATORSHIP.


    is......


    Self-Governed.


    please, im not asking you to take my side.... this is a fact..please don't bury a fact.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    macgyver06 wrote:
    Iraq wasn't Self governed...it was governed by 1 person...

    does this count as a yes for me?? lol

    you are misunderstand the meaning of "Iraq is self governed" Iraq (the people of Iraq) didnt govern shit. saddam did.


    and your right saddam ruled for 23 years not 30 my mistake

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