but someone said something about saddam torturing, killing people of his country
well.
Facts
1.Saddam Killed Kurds
2.Kurds resided on outskirts of city
3.Kurds publically displayed to be seperate from Iraq/Gov't
4.Kurds allowed to remain on outskirts of populous cities within Iraq borders.
Opinion
1. Any country's leader would never allow rebels tot ake over there gov't
Example
1. storm the whitehouse demaninding to speak with the president
2. hold a rally in your college town and dont move when tanks show up
but someone said something about saddam torturing, killing people of his country
well.
Facts
1.Saddam Killed Kurds
2.Kurds resided on outskirts of city
3.Kurds publically displayed to be seperate from Iraq/Gov't
4.Kurds allowed to remain on outskirts of populous cities within Iraq borders.
Opinion
1. Any country's leader would never allow rebels tot ake over there gov't
Example
1. storm the whitehouse demaninding to speak with the president
2. hold a rally in your college town and dont move when tanks show up
What are you implying that the Kurds deserved what Saddam dished out because they wanted autonomy.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
im trying to avoid opinions in my posts.. i won't state how i feel about castro...nor do i think it has anything to do with the middle east
Castro has nothing to do with the Middle East but you stated that Iraq was not a dictatorship because they where elections. I merely brought up other dictators who allowed the same one sided elections and asked if you thought that these men where dictators or not. I don't care what your personal opinions of these men are I just want toknow, in your eyes, are these men dictators or not.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Castro has nothing to do with the Middle East but you stated that Iraq was not a dictatorship because they where elections. I merely brought up other dictators who allowed the same one sided elections and asked if you thought that these men where dictators or not. I don't care what your personal opinions of these men are I just want toknow, in your eyes, are these men dictators or not.
yes, and every leader in some way i sa dictator. Even American Presidents who act on how they ''feel''
you can call them representatives or reflections of the people or whatever you want.
yes, and every leader in some way i sa dictator. Even American Presidents who act on how they ''feel''
you can call them representatives or reflections of the people or whatever you want.
The difference betwwen a dictator and an American president is if the majority of the people do not agree with his decisions and/or action he/she can be removed from office via impeachment or simply not re-elected. I a dictatorship that is not possible.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
So derived from the facts that you presented you believe that the Kurds where deserving of Saddam's actions? It's not a hard question to answer, so quit beating around the bush.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
The difference betwwen a dictator and an American president is if the majority of the people do not agree with his decisions and/or action he/she can be removed from office via impeachment or simply not re-elected. I a dictatorship that is not possible.
So derived from the facts that you presented you believe that the Kurds where deserving of Saddam's actions? It's not a hard question to answer, so quit beating around the bush.
The kurds were treated as terrorists by Iraq's supporters of the Iran/Iraq war.
So derived from the facts that you presented you believe that the Kurds where deserving of Saddam's actions? It's not a hard question to answer, so quit beating around the bush.
The kurds were treated as terrorists by Iraq's supporters of the Iran/Iraq war.
Wheren't our founding fathers treated like terrorists by the British. Wheren't the native indians treated like terrorists by the US government. The Kurds where treated like terrorist by Iraq's supporters during that period because they did not support and they interfered with our objective. If youlook back through history you will see that the US government has a nifty way of calling someone a terrorist one day and an ally the next depending on what best serves our interest. A fine example would be the fact that A US back Iraqi government just sentenced Saddam to death because of his attacks on said "terrorist". Back then it wasn't a problem but now it is because it goes to better serve our interests.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
did he actually say .. A self-Governing Iraq is a 'noble goal'
THEY WERE SELF GOVERNED BEFORE BUSH ORDERED THE REMOVAL OF THEIR LEADERS!
this is not a debate.
IRAQ WAS SOVERIGN...if you dont count the food for oil program WHICH THEY ABIDED BY....
If by SELF GOVERNED you mean Saddem self governed over a large group of people, who had no real say in how they were governed, then I am in complete agreement with you.
Well his was the unoppossed ruler of the country. I mean didn't Iraq invade Kuwait, it wasn't Saddam invades Kuwait. Wasn't the Iran/Iraq War not the Iran/Saddam War. I'm not stating that Saddam respresents the hearts and minds of all Iraqi's but he did represent Iraq.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
but can we agree that Iraq was self-governed b4 this debacle started
No we can't because Iraq was not self governed. It was under the oppressive rule of a dictator. It is no different than Iraq being ruled by a colonial power. The people in the country still do not have any representation or say in the governing of their nation.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Well his was the unoppossed ruler of the country. I mean didn't Iraq invade Kuwait, it wasn't Saddam invades Kuwait. Wasn't the Iran/Iraq War not the Iran/Saddam War. I'm not stating that Saddam respresents the hearts and minds of all Iraqi's but he did represent Iraq.
so you are against a country invading another country...
No we can't because Iraq was not self governed. It was under the oppressive rule of a dictator. It is no different than Iraq being ruled by a colonial power. The people in the country still do not have any representation or say in the governing of their nation.
Comments
but someone said something about saddam torturing, killing people of his country
well.
Facts
1.Saddam Killed Kurds
2.Kurds resided on outskirts of city
3.Kurds publically displayed to be seperate from Iraq/Gov't
4.Kurds allowed to remain on outskirts of populous cities within Iraq borders.
Opinion
1. Any country's leader would never allow rebels tot ake over there gov't
Example
1. storm the whitehouse demaninding to speak with the president
2. hold a rally in your college town and dont move when tanks show up
What are you implying that the Kurds deserved what Saddam dished out because they wanted autonomy.
Castro has nothing to do with the Middle East but you stated that Iraq was not a dictatorship because they where elections. I merely brought up other dictators who allowed the same one sided elections and asked if you thought that these men where dictators or not. I don't care what your personal opinions of these men are I just want toknow, in your eyes, are these men dictators or not.
yes, and every leader in some way i sa dictator. Even American Presidents who act on how they ''feel''
you can call them representatives or reflections of the people or whatever you want.
im not implying anything.
those are facts mammasan.
The difference betwwen a dictator and an American president is if the majority of the people do not agree with his decisions and/or action he/she can be removed from office via impeachment or simply not re-elected. I a dictatorship that is not possible.
So derived from the facts that you presented you believe that the Kurds where deserving of Saddam's actions? It's not a hard question to answer, so quit beating around the bush.
True.
The kurds were treated as terrorists by Iraq's supporters of the Iran/Iraq war.
Saddam=Iraq .... right..
in this statement?
Wheren't our founding fathers treated like terrorists by the British. Wheren't the native indians treated like terrorists by the US government. The Kurds where treated like terrorist by Iraq's supporters during that period because they did not support and they interfered with our objective. If youlook back through history you will see that the US government has a nifty way of calling someone a terrorist one day and an ally the next depending on what best serves our interest. A fine example would be the fact that A US back Iraqi government just sentenced Saddam to death because of his attacks on said "terrorist". Back then it wasn't a problem but now it is because it goes to better serve our interests.
If by SELF GOVERNED you mean Saddem self governed over a large group of people, who had no real say in how they were governed, then I am in complete agreement with you.
During his reign yes Saddam=Iraq.
if you think the citizens of Iraq didn't love their own being, there own homeland...that's kinda foolish
Where did I ever make that statement. You are completely avoiding any question placed before you by uttering jibberish.
grrr those were english words.
you said saddam equals iraq.
im stating facts on why the kurds were murdered.
Well his was the unoppossed ruler of the country. I mean didn't Iraq invade Kuwait, it wasn't Saddam invades Kuwait. Wasn't the Iran/Iraq War not the Iran/Saddam War. I'm not stating that Saddam respresents the hearts and minds of all Iraqi's but he did represent Iraq.
Did you know Iraq was controlled by a brutal dictator for 30 years prior to america invading?
that is a serious question
no, no one will agree with you. why? because Iraq wasnt self governed. It was governed by 1 person.
Iraq wasn't Self governed...it was governed by 1 person...
does this count as a yes for me?? lol
30 years? Saddam was in power for 30 years?
No we can't because Iraq was not self governed. It was under the oppressive rule of a dictator. It is no different than Iraq being ruled by a colonial power. The people in the country still do not have any representation or say in the governing of their nation.
so you are against a country invading another country...
you had no say about the invasion of iraq
Yes.
IM NOT AGREEING WITH A DICTATORSHIP. BUT A COUNTRY UNDER A DICTATORSHIP.
is......
Self-Governed.
please, im not asking you to take my side.... this is a fact..please don't bury a fact.
you are misunderstand the meaning of "Iraq is self governed" Iraq (the people of Iraq) didnt govern shit. saddam did.
and your right saddam ruled for 23 years not 30 my mistake