Who will be the Next Rome, the next U.S.

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  • MakingWavesMakingWaves Posts: 1,293
    The thing IS that it is happening right now with United States of America!!
    They ARE "holding" rest of the world in their hands, (it might be blackmailing others, or giving charity to others, or military help (they helped us (Croats) to beat Serbs in the war in 90's!)...
    there are various ways to be the first and someone to listen to! Nowadays it IS USA!

    Well then we, the 'we' being the USA, better get used to people not liking us and talking bad about us. When you are on top you are the easiest target.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    world wrote:
    Their are dumb, ignorant, and arrogent people EVERYWHERE. To say that they are mostly in the United States is dumb, ignorant, and arrogent.

    [size=+6]Speak up please! I can't hear you!![/size]
  • Pacomc79Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    I hate racist, but this is not topic to put them in.

    The problem is in people's heads, in your American heads, but major role in that case have your school system. The problem is you have been learned in schools as there is no other continent on the planet. As there's no other country than U.S.A..
    With no offence, I'm wondering how many of you there in USA know to put the finger on the place on world map to point WHERE is IRAQ?!?
    Few days ago I was wasching on TV and average american doesn't even know how to spell EUROPE, or what is the France capitol city?!?!?

    Once again, no hard feelings, but I think you just know about yourselves, and no other.

    combine lacadasical government education with a sense of entitlement and that's kind of what you get.

    The US public education system spends more time worrying about how students feel about themselves (self esteem) than they do about educating them about anything. Even great teachers are stuck as to what they can do because the vast sums of money we do throw at the system are spent poorly and they aren't allocated to the proper areas. A big part of this is also due to those childrens parents not giving a shit and feeling that it's the governments responsibility to educate their children.
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  • Saturnal wrote:
    I'm not sure there will be a next Rome or U.S. The lifespan of empires has shortened over time it seems. The U.S. is struggling to hold on even now, and it's economic empire didn't completely take shape until 20 or so years ago. The British empire lasted much longer, and the Roman empire longer than that (I think?).

    The Roman Empire lasted from Caesar Augustus (30BC) to Romulus Augustus, 476AD.

    It was a long fuckin' time, and then if you count the monarchy and the republic in that too, it lasted from 700BC to 476AD.

    I fear the U.S. will become the next Rome. I think the amount of immigration we are allowing and the level of decadence we are approaching is completely opposed to our history. Rome became more and more decadent before Christianity took over. But, when Christianity took over, Rome was no longer the same country. We will cease to be the same country.
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  • worldworld Posts: 266
    Byrnzie wrote:
    [size=+6]Speak up please! I can't hear you!![/size]

    Using bold is one thing, but +6 size is a little over the top, eh?
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  • bryanfurybryanfury Posts: 460
    The Roman Empire lasted from Caesar Augustus (30BC) to Romulus Augustus, 476AD.

    It was a long fuckin' time, and then if you count the monarchy and the republic in that too, it lasted from 700BC to 476AD.

    I fear the U.S. will become the next Rome. I think the amount of immigration we are allowing and the level of decadence we are approaching is completely opposed to our history. Rome became more and more decadent before Christianity took over. But, when Christianity took over, Rome was no longer the same country. We will cease to be the same country.

    hmmmm, so if history really does repeat, then maybe the rise of christianity here signals the end of our "empire". wouldn't doubt it. fanaticism is fanaticism, not matter how you cloud it.
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  • Byrnzie are you hinting that these peaceful, craft loving "Muck" people are a threat to the US's existance?

    Cause if so, I'll make some phone calls and we'll get that island carpet bombed back into stone age. ;)

    you can all laugh... but it's worth pointing out that that little country has been punching above it's weight a few millenia before the US even existed. Many have tried to invade us and only one nation have succeeded... how can you possibly beat a country where the 15 yr olds have a gestation period of two weeks.???
  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    I'm beginning to think, you're either with Rome, or you're being fed to the lions. I'm not one to be a martyr.
  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    Not that I'll ever join the bastards at the Colosseum...
  • Specifics wrote:
    But wherever else they are in power they're not voted in. Kind of important i think.

    That's not strictly accurate my friend. Unless there have been some signifiant events during the hours I've been sat here pretending to work, democracy does still exist in countries other than the United States.
  • Collin wrote:
    China, India... I don't know and I don't care. Or Russia.

    Not russia but I do agree with India or China.. economic and military empires
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  • yiorgisyiorgis Posts: 34
    i am not sure if history repeats itsself,nothing shows to me that we have passed from the point that we have began.it is sad allthough that we don't learn from our mistakes of the past.maybe it's on humans nature, i don't know.forgive me for any mistakes, i am from Greece and i don't speek the language very well
  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    world wrote:
    Their are dumb, ignorant, and arrogent people EVERYWHERE. To say that they are mostly in the United States is dumb, ignorant, and arrogent.

    congratulations, you've finally successfully defined liberalism! arrogant, dumb, and ignorant.

    I will say, you left out guilty, self-conscious, and the uncontrollable desire to be accepted. but that all manifests itself in arrogance, so you do have it covered.
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  • bryanfury wrote:
    hmmmm, so if history really does repeat, then maybe the rise of christianity here signals the end of our "empire". wouldn't doubt it. fanaticism is fanaticism, not matter how you cloud it.

    Our nation began with Christianity. It has slowly given Christianity up.
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  • Saturnal wrote:
    There is no single country that could do significant damage to the U.S. right now.

    Really? How about Iraq? Is the damage caused so far not significant?
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  • Kenny Olav wrote:
    I'm beginning to think, you're either with Rome, or you're being fed to the lions. I'm not one to be a martyr.

    I think you may be right. In fact I'm pretty sure that GW made that abundantly clear a couple of years ago.

    I'm not all that keen on martydom either, but there are thousands who would glady rush headfirst into the lions den.
    It doesn't matter if you're male, female, or confused; black, white, brown, red, green, yellow; gay, lesbian; redneck cop, stoned; ugly; military style, doggy style; fat, rich or poor; vegetarian or cannibal; bum, hippie, virgin; famous or drunk-you're either an asshole or you're not!

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  • worldworld Posts: 266
    Scubascott wrote:
    Really? How about Iraq? Is the damage caused so far not significant?

    3,000 dead troops over four years? That is extremely small in warzone terms.

    250,000 Iranian troops were killed in four years when they attacked Iraq. 500,00 were killed in the entire eight year war.
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  • world wrote:
    3,000 dead troops over four years? That is extremely small in warzone terms.

    250,000 Iranian troops were killed in four years when they attacked Iraq. 500,00 were killed in the entire eight year war.

    Ok, but what about the hundreds of billions of dollars sunk into the war? What about the deep divide that it has created between left and right in the american population? What about the prospect of placing further strain on american resources by sending more troops in and possibly maintaining a presence there for the next couple of decades?

    You don't consider any of those things damaging to the 'American Empire'?
    It doesn't matter if you're male, female, or confused; black, white, brown, red, green, yellow; gay, lesbian; redneck cop, stoned; ugly; military style, doggy style; fat, rich or poor; vegetarian or cannibal; bum, hippie, virgin; famous or drunk-you're either an asshole or you're not!

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  • Hi there!
    two days ago I was with a friend of mine, sitting in a bar, talking about everything and than came America on the topic list.
    He's finished the history college...
    From our constatation there is NO GREATER empire than U.S.A.!
    And really when you take all the qualities that USA has (there's no country that could harm you -USA-) and it's true.
    That's not fact you should be proud of, but I know it from here, from Europe, that every country keep their mouth shut when it comes to talk against USA.

    My country is small one next to Italy, it is Republic of CROATIA (I wonder if you know where is it situated on the world map?!).
    We here have large amount of fresh, clean water springs (we still can drink water from the pipes in our home or at our squares (from fountains).
    And we are all in kind of fear of you Americans, ---- now you're fighting others for oil but for 5 or 10 yrs you'll come to us and fight us for the water we have!

    Do you get what I'm trying to say here?!

    :!

    I understand exactly what you're trying to say. What you've said epitomizes your lack of understanding of the world around you and further solidifies America's status as a world power. Actually, you sound more like a nutjob.

    We aren't the bad guys. The sooner you realize that the better off you'll be.
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  • Scubascott wrote:
    Ok, but what about the hundreds of billions of dollars sunk into the war? What about the deep divide that it has created between left and right in the american population? What about the prospect of placing further strain on american resources by sending more troops in and possibly maintaining a presence there for the next couple of decades?

    You don't consider any of those things damaging to the 'American Empire'?

    First off, you have absolutely no clue what an 'Empire' is.

    Second, the divide has always been there.

    Third, again, we're the good guys. You of all people, being an Aussie, should know that.

    Lastly, we should crush the insurgency with Bush's new plan. A plan that all liberals should be thrilled to hear about because not only of it's thoroughness through explanation (which somehow equates to a good plan to a liberal), but also it's "change of course." This probably will not be accepted as a "change of course" because it isn't the course liberals want. But then again, that's liberalism for ya.

    I'm still not sure most people even understand that the insurgency is taking place almost entirely around the city of Baghdad. But then again, that's the media for ya.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

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  • congratulations, you've finally successfully defined liberalism! arrogant, dumb, and ignorant.

    I will say, you left out guilty, self-conscious, and the uncontrollable desire to be accepted. but that all manifests itself in arrogance, so you do have it covered.

    LOL I noticed no one replied to this post.

    So I will. Nice work!
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • First off, you have absolutely no clue what an 'Empire' is.

    Really? Please elighten me then.
    Second, the divide has always been there

    But was it always this deep? I can only judge by the impressions I get through the media, but it seems that the polarisation of the american people is stronger now than ever before.
    Third, again, we're the good guys. You of all people, being an Aussie, should know that.

    You're the good guys from your point of view.

    You're kidding yourself if you think that the Australian public are on your side. I personally have no idea what the right solution for Iraq is. Maybe sending more troops is the answer, but I feel very stongly that there is absolutely no need for Australia to be involved. We didn't need to be involved from the start. Our presense there is little more than a token show of support anyway, but its enough to make our country a target for the growing number extremists that the war in Iraq is generating around the world. I think my veiw is shared by the majority of Australians.
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  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    LOL I noticed no one replied to this post.

    So I will. Nice work!

    i am a funny guy :) but this post is dead serious. liberalism is based on guilt, self-loathing, and the uncontrollable need to be accepted. no liberals responded to it because they know it's the truth.
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  • RushlimboRushlimbo Posts: 832
    i am a funny guy :) but this post is dead serious. liberalism is based on guilt, self-loathing, and the uncontrollable need to be accepted. no liberals responded to it because they know it's the truth.

    I think its more likely they have you on ignore.
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  • down_skidown_ski Posts: 328
    zstillings wrote:
    I thought it was the Americans that were known around here to live in irrational fear.

    American's are the most generous people in the entire world. You all have to bring out the negative side....
  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Rushlimbo wrote:
    I think its more likely they have you on ignore.

    something tells me that if someone with a sig like yours doesn't have me on ignore, anyone to the right of hugo doesn't either...when you take a step back, and look at the quality posts, there's no doubt they are more often than not authored by moi :)
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    world wrote:
    3,000 dead troops over four years? That is extremely small in warzone terms.

    250,000 Iranian troops were killed in four years when they attacked Iraq. 500,00 were killed in the entire eight year war.

    If you think there's not a country that can do any significant damage to the US, your eyes must have been closed.

    Or have you forgotten about 9/11? That wasn't even a country, just a group of people.

    Do you seriously think there isn't a country that can do any damage if even a small group of people can cause the biggest tragedy of US history so far?
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    i am a funny guy :) but this post is dead serious. liberalism is based on guilt, self-loathing, and the uncontrollable need to be accepted. no liberals responded to it because they know it's the truth.

    Guilt for what, self-loathing for what? The uncontrollable need to be accepted? Common, half the country is liberal.
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  • Scubascott wrote:
    I personally have no idea what the right solution for Iraq is.

    Then how the hell would you know who the good guys are? You lack of insight explains your mediocre reasoning. You sound like a congressional Democrat.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • macgyver06 wrote:
    you guys ever read Julius Caesar?
    we had to read billy's "julius caesar" in standard 10. it was awesome.
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