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Worship God , don't judge others ,try and be loving and considerate to all , and let God decide what He thinks is right and wrong .
9/9/06
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Am I to believe they've never done a funeral for a fornicator, a covetor, one who didn't make the sabbath holy?
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It isn't to me. I just wonder why it is "news".
Well, you're the only one who said it was shocking. Does news have to be shocking to be news?
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If you want to sell advertising it does.
Whew.
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when my dad was a pastor there was a woman who had aids that was contracted by her cheating husband... when she passed away, my father held her funeral at our small building where we had "church". apparently, her family were from another denomination... don't know which, but they didn't want to hold her funeral for similar reasons. so my father allowed an entire group probably 300-400 guests in a building that was meant for only 100 or so.
Same thing I was thinking. It's highly hypocritical.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Whew, indeed. It must be exhausting trying to chase your mind around. You can fixate on a single word and then follow around a stream of consciousness to see where it leads you. Good luck with that.
Which is exactly why he had the bible written to express what his thoughts on right and wrong were as well as how he wanted to be worshiped. Good thing too because he knew that humans would mess it up and argue amongst one another unless he left directions.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
Coherent logic needs no luck.
You could use some.
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anyways, the bible is pretty clear actually on a variety of subjects. Try actually opening one and reading it....you might be suprised at what you find. That way, you won't have to worry about someone tainting your mind...ooooooooooooooo it's all a conspiracy to brainwash you and control every second of every moment regarding every thought or action in your life oooooooooooooo
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
Get lost.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article516647.ece
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Excellent article too btw.
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Why follow any religion based on a book that contradicts itself, makes grand claims without evidence, and which promotes any value which does not follow the evolution of social understanding?
I don't understand why you would chose a book like this, pick and chose what to follow based on either your biased upbringing and/or the evolution of social understanding, and then claim it is the end all know all to everything in existence... which then leads to making daily decisions in everyday life and in politics based on those distorted dogmas.
Please explain.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
I feel very sorry for the man and his family. Really badly handled at an extremely difficult time for them.
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Hey you're welcome. Honestly...it might not seem like it at all, but when I'm not bitching about the ugly hard political stuff, I'm really a fun guy to be around.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
(")_(")
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
Politics usually brings out a different side to people. Bit like religion really.
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Don't know about you, but planning a funeral is an extremely stressful business. Last thing you'd be thinking about is whether or not your church is homophobic. As far as I'm concerned if the church didn't bother to mention they had a problem when the initial plans were made then the onus is on them. Not the grieving. And if they really have a problem with performing funerals for particular sections of the community then I would suggest that those are questions they should be asking when the initial request is made. Oh but that's right, that would probably be discriminatory wouldn't it?
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Well, in my church, we know exactly what we believe. We actually GO to church and listen to what is being preached. There is no wondering what is expected. Also, everyone knows one another in the congregation quite well....this church didn't know the man, his family had also never made it known that he was gay. No one in the congregation, including the minister knew this information. Hmmm...makes one wonder how religious these people really were first of all. Maybe holiday only worshipers. You know, token service. Secondly, if they didnt' know their church and their church didn't know them well enough to know that the deceased was gay....makes me wonder why they felt a religious funeral was necessary anyways.
A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.
Pro-life by choice.
All of which could have been ascertained with the initial request. Not the day before the funeral which they agreed to conduct. My point being that regardless of the churches views in this situation they are not the ones grieving. The man's brother worked at the church, said so in the article, and an official from the church attended the dying man's bedside where they were introduced to his partner. So somebody in the organization knew something about the man and his family. If they were not in the habit of performing funerals for people that were not regular paritioners then the time to say so was when the family initially requested that they conduct the funeral. Regardless of their views on homosexuality, it's pretty poor form to go ahead with planning the funeral and then leave a grieving family in the lurch the day before the funeral. People should have the right to expect to have their loved ones buried in a compassionate and considerate way and if the church doesn't view itself to have a responsibility to all that they agree to conduct funerals for then I would suggest that they need to re evaluate their procedures. If they don't want to hold funerals for homosexuals or people who are not regular paritioners then they need to make that VERY clear LONG before they agree to the job and making the arrangements.
I would hope that when I die my family isn't forced to confess all my sexual preferences just so that I might have a funeral, but then hell would freeze over before I'd send them off to a church to officiate over my funeral anyway. I really hope that when you die your church doesn't kick your relatives when they're down because of some ridiculous bungling on the part of the organization.
If you can't see past the fact that this particular church has behaved appallingly on this particular occasion then I really don't see that we've got anything else to discuss on this matter. The church acted badly as far as I'm concerned.
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