Dark Knight

in_hiding79

eyedclaar wrote:

They're really trying that method to catch the real Joker?

melodious

^^i think you make a good point; becuase there is always someone who may act presumptuously...

i loved how the inmates were more giving, in a way it reminded me of a setting from Steinback's, Grapes of Wrath...(i know that is far fetched, but it's my connectiveness)

MrBrian

MrSmith wrote:

you think so? i like to think i wouldnt. maybe i'm being naive.

I hope I'm wrong...

pirlo21

I love Bale. American Psycho and The Machinist are two of my all time favoutire movies. But I've got to agree about Bale's Batman voice.
Reminds me of Jim Carrey in Me, Myself & Irene -

"The name's Hank, fuck face" !!

Sludge Factory

FiveB247x wrote:

Absolutely. Maybe in Gotham people would wait it out, but in reality, 1 boat is toast.

Going with the sick mind of the Joker, I'm pretty sure he lied to the people on the boats. The one who pushed the button would in reality end up blowing themselves up instead of the other boat.

FiveB247x

I was saying this exact thing to a friend. That whole scenario with the boats reminded me of a little scenario from the Saw movies. Anyways, there's no doubt in my mind that in reality, one of the boats is getting blown up. People are irrational and chaotic when put in high pressure situations compared to automatically being rational or orderly.

Sludge Factory wrote:

Going with the sick mind of the Joker, I'm pretty sure he lied to the people on the boats. The one who pushed the button would in reality end up blowing themselves up instead of the other boat.

eyedclaar

in_hiding79 wrote:

Yay! Somebody liked my joke. I take back everything I ever said about Texas.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

Sludge Factory wrote:

Going with the sick mind of the Joker, I'm pretty sure he lied to the people on the boats. The one who pushed the button would in reality end up blowing themselves up instead of the other boat.

yeah i was thinking that too.

CityMouse

HANKTHELANK wrote:

Anybody see this movie? what did you think? Anybody think like me that this was just another holywood propaganda movie with many subliminal messages? Got into a conversation with a co-worker and he thinks i'm crazy and that this was nothing more then just a movie.

1 point that really stood out to me was tapping peoples cellphones to track down the joker. Identical to what is happening in real life.

Really like to hear peoples views.

yeah but it's SO obvious that it doesn't really mean anything.

DixieN

Sludge Factory wrote:

Going with the sick mind of the Joker, I'm pretty sure he lied to the people on the boats. The one who pushed the button would in reality end up blowing themselves up instead of the other boat.

Or, it would have blown up both. Why stop half way?

Sludge Factory

DixieN wrote:

Or, it would have blown up both. Why stop half way?

That would be pretty nasty but then if the Joker's experiment worked he wouldn't be able to tell who pushed the button.

faithful227

Wow. I didn't read any social commentary at all into the film. I just went in to be entertained for a few hours and I was. I'm glad I didn't read anything into it honestly.

I thought it was the best Batman and possibly the best Superhero movie to date.

Top notch.

RIP Heath Ledger. Amazing portrayal of The Joker.

fuck

I don't think people are reading too much into it... it really is pretty obvious...I mean look at how Batman has to "break his rules" when he deals with "terrorists." He tortures the Joker, and even uses wiretapping because it's deemed "necessary" just this one time when the city (or world) is in trouble from "terrorism"... it's allowed to be used "just this once".... I don't know, it's all pretty fishy to me...

movie was sitll fucking great though. the whole scene with the boat, I'd like to think I'd also stand up for principle and not think irrationally, but I could just be overestimating myself, haha. at the same time, I'd be thinking that the Joker would kill both boats in the end no matter what though, so who knows what I'd end up doing, I guess.

fuck

http://leninology.blogspot.com/2008/08/i-dont-believe-in-harvey-dent.html

Anon

_outlaw wrote:

I don't think people are reading too much into it... it really is pretty obvious...I mean look at how Batman has to "break his rules" when he deals with "terrorists." He tortures the Joker, and even uses wiretapping because it's deemed "necessary" just this one time when the city (or world) is in trouble from "terrorism"... it's allowed to be used "just this once".... I don't know, it's all pretty fishy to me...

movie was sitll fucking great though. the whole scene with the boat, I'd like to think I'd also stand up for principle and not think irrationally, but I could just be overestimating myself, haha. at the same time, I'd be thinking that the Joker would kill both boats in the end no matter what though, so who knows what I'd end up doing, I guess.

“The only sensible way to live in this world is without rules. And tonight, you’re gonna break your one rule.”

and

“Don’t talk like one of them, you’re not! Even if you’d like to be. To them, you’re just a freak–like me. They need you right now. When they don’t…they’ll cast you out. Like a leper. See, their morals, their code: it’s a bad joke. They’re dropped at the first sign of trouble. They’re only as good as the world allows them to be. You’ll see, when the chips are down these civilized people will eat each other.”

in this twilight

HANKTHELANK wrote:

1 point that really stood out to me was tapping peoples cellphones to track down the joker. Identical to what is happening in real life.

is it really? the way i understood it, batman was just utilizing the cellphones for the purpose of sonar... i figured it was just a way to tie in something batty, since bats use sonar. its not like he was listening into people's conversations or collection personal information.

pearljammer

_outlaw wrote:

http://leninology.blogspot.com/2008/08/i-dont-believe-in-harvey-dent.html

Interesting take on the whole superhero concepts, but he forgets that superheroes have been around a lot longer than the modern war on terror.

A lot of this bloggers arguments are based on his own opinion of how events in the movie transpire or are interpreted, ie: the Jokers motives, and the casting of Aaron Eckhart as Harvey Dent.

fuck

pearljammer wrote:

Interesting take on the whole superhero concepts, but he forgets that superheroes have been around a lot longer than the modern war on terror.

war on communism, war on terror.... the cycle is the same.

OutOfBreath

_outlaw wrote:

http://leninology.blogspot.com/2008/08/i-dont-believe-in-harvey-dent.html

I feel this is what we call turning 3 feathers into 5 chickens...
His premise is that the hero is someone we should be like and admire, when the whole point of the movies are to show exactly what he is criticizing them for not doing. Batmans "fascist streak" and inviting super-crooks becase of his super-steel-frame presence are duly portrayed and problematized in the movie. The fight between Batman and the Joker feels a bit like alien vs predator, in that it's good (for us) that two so powerful beings are busy slapping eachother instead of us, but where it is unclear if we benefit from 1 of them ultimately winning...

Or in the joker's words: "You complete me".

Had it been a "regular" hero-movie all that lenin objects to has a point. But pinning such objections on this movie is silly, as all the dark sides of batman is getting a stadium's worth of light, not hidden away as inferences.

Anyway, I didn't at all interpret this movie as such, and I am actually pretty sensitive to such overtones. Batman is indeed a bit of a fascist, but we are not led to love him for it, or think that he's ultimately right.

Peace
Dan

fuck

OutOfBreath wrote:

Anyway, I didn't at all interpret this movie as such, and I am actually pretty sensitive to such overtones. Batman is indeed a bit of a fascist, but we are not led to love him for it, or think that he's ultimately right.

it's interesting, that's what I actually argued, but what my sister responded with was how come at the end of the movie, we hear Gordon talk about how Batman is our "watchful protector", our "guardian"...

indeed, we ARE led to think he is right and to love him...