Dark Knight
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Anybody see this movie? what did you think? Anybody think like me that this was just another holywood propaganda movie with many subliminal messages? Got into a conversation with a co-worker and he thinks i'm crazy and that this was nothing more then just a movie.
1 point that really stood out to me was tapping peoples cellphones to track down the joker. Identical to what is happening in real life.
Really like to hear peoples views.
1 point that really stood out to me was tapping peoples cellphones to track down the joker. Identical to what is happening in real life.
Really like to hear peoples views.
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It's very strange to see them do that whole tapping into the cell phones, calling the Joker a "terrorist" repeatedly that "must be stopped at all costs"... even Alfred's comment about how he "burned the forest down" to stop that bandit was pretty strange...
I don't know, I tried not to think about it and just enjoyed the movie, lol.
but seriously, the celphone thing was wierd. I think it could build up to something in the next movie, or maybe it was actually against wiretapping (since Fox was so against it, and Batman didnt want the power himself, but was desperate). He was just pushed to do something he wouldnt normally do cuz he was getting his ass kicked the whole movie. either way i wouldnt read too much into it. it was probably just a plot device more than anything.
Plus superheroes are kinda fascist anyway!
And Joker could definately be described as a terrorist. Just one without motive.
that's what I assume, but it definitely is something that just stays in your head later on...
never said he wasn't, just an.... interesting.... word to use these days, eh?
gotham has gone to hell. its total chaos. there is a war going on in a way. no one can be trusted. even superheroes cant save the day. politicians are liars. tapping of phones. evil liars.
why on earth would you say it has any relation to modern day society
I loved the movie. Heath Ledger deserves all the praise he's been getting, and then some. He nailed the essence of the joker, in a chillingly real way. Give that man the oscar posthumously, asap! Christian Bale as Batman is also great.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
Nothing overt in the Dark Knight.
V for Vendetta is much better
Propaganda?
If anything the movie was holding a mirror up to reflect the chaos, confusion and distrust in America's society, these days.
I think it was a deliberate attempt to be thought-provoking and maybe get americans to see a similar situation, from the outside looking .....in.
Just for the fact that congress has just passed the fisa act which retroactively legalizes the wire tapping that has occurred in past 7 years in the name of fighting terrorism. Its the same thing in essence as to what happened in the movie. The fact that batman destroys the technology means nothing, its the acceptance of having more liberties taken away for the sake of preventing a catastrophe. The movie portrays a dire situation where such actions as a last resort are needed, however in the world we now live in, imop, these threats are nonexistent but we are repeatedly told they are.
I have a hard time interpreting it as propaganda. To me it's just yet another way that Batman circumvents the laws in order to continue his personal crusade. And he is not a very sympathetic character himself. (something I applaud these last two batman movies for showing) I won't say Batman increases acceptance of demolishing buildings and neighbourhoods while chasing evil-doers either....
So, no, I dont think there were any "subliminal messages" in there to speak of. It is a superhero movie, with an ambigous superhero character (which isn't that good for propaganda purposes), who utilizes all kinds of technological gizmos to crack down on crooks. What these movies do, is focus on just how that's ultimately a bad thing, of which even Batman himself seems to be aware.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
Yeah! I did the same exact thing haha!
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I did like this joker line ""People are only as civilized at the world around them allows them to be" He went on to say that when trouble happens they turn to animals (or something like that)
Then the last few scenes with the boats and the bombs...No chance in hell will the boats not blow eachother up. Infact I was waiting for the group of 'innocent' victims to set off the one filled with the 'guilty'...
In real life, they are pressing the button. For sure!
The Bale Batman voice sucks soooo bad. I kept on laughing. anyone else think it was funny?
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
The joker was a great character. And he held only one face under all that make-up.
What I noticed is "the damsel in distress" portion was a reality check. In a sense, if one were to take out the effects and sensationalism, the entire movie was truthful. People do turn into monsters when feeling vegenance and there are many public servants who do function with less than honorable intent.
I loved the name they gave the D.A. as a foreshadow to his ultimate destiny...that combined with the coin he carried implied how money can change the face of even the best of intentions .It was extremeley symbolic.
a derivitive of nature.
nature is god
god is love
love is light
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
i loved how the inmates were more giving, in a way it reminded me of a setting from Steinback's, Grapes of Wrath...(i know that is far fetched, but it's my connectiveness)
a derivitive of nature.
nature is god
god is love
love is light
I hope I'm wrong...
Reminds me of Jim Carrey in Me, Myself & Irene -
"The name's Hank, fuck face" !!
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Going with the sick mind of the Joker, I'm pretty sure he lied to the people on the boats. The one who pushed the button would in reality end up blowing themselves up instead of the other boat.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Yay! Somebody liked my joke. I take back everything I ever said about Texas.
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yeah but it's SO obvious that it doesn't really mean anything.
Or, it would have blown up both. Why stop half way?