Dark Knight

HANKTHELANK

Anybody see this movie? what did you think? Anybody think like me that this was just another holywood propaganda movie with many subliminal messages? Got into a conversation with a co-worker and he thinks i'm crazy and that this was nothing more then just a movie.

1 point that really stood out to me was tapping peoples cellphones to track down the joker. Identical to what is happening in real life.

Really like to hear peoples views.

eyedclaar

They're really trying that method to catch the real Joker?

fuck

I was talking about this the other day with some people here at work... it's really strange, I don't think the Nolans, Bale, or any of the cast are into that kind of stuff... in fact, I'm pretty sure they're liberal and stuff...

It's very strange to see them do that whole tapping into the cell phones, calling the Joker a "terrorist" repeatedly that "must be stopped at all costs"... even Alfred's comment about how he "burned the forest down" to stop that bandit was pretty strange...

I don't know, I tried not to think about it and just enjoyed the movie, lol.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

yeah cuz Hollywood is known for its conservative republican propaganda. I'm suprised Batman didnt take his mask off and reveal that he is George Bush.

but seriously, the celphone thing was wierd. I think it could build up to something in the next movie, or maybe it was actually against wiretapping (since Fox was so against it, and Batman didnt want the power himself, but was desperate). He was just pushed to do something he wouldnt normally do cuz he was getting his ass kicked the whole movie. either way i wouldnt read too much into it. it was probably just a plot device more than anything.

Plus superheroes are kinda fascist anyway!

And Joker could definately be described as a terrorist. Just one without motive.

cornnifer

HANKTHELANK wrote:

Anybody see this movie? what did you think? Anybody think like me that this was just another holywood propaganda movie with many subliminal messages? quote]

i liked it. You may want to have a few bees with Roland and Drifting.

fuck

MrSmith wrote:

yeah cuz Hollywood is known for its conservative republican propaganda. I'm suprised Batman didnt take his mask off and reveal that he is George Bush.

Nah, Batman doesn't like to kill people.

but seriously, the celphone thing was wierd. I think it could build up to something in the next movie, or maybe it was actually against wiretapping (since Fox was so against it, and Batman didnt want the power himself, but was desperate). He was just pushed to do something he wouldnt normally do cuz he was getting his ass kicked the whole movie. either way i wouldnt read too much into it. it was probably just a plot device more than anything.

that's what I assume, but it definitely is something that just stays in your head later on...

And Joker could definately be described as a terrorist. Just one without motive.

never said he wasn't, just an.... interesting.... word to use these days, eh?

musicismylife78

lets see...

gotham has gone to hell. its total chaos. there is a war going on in a way. no one can be trusted. even superheroes cant save the day. politicians are liars. tapping of phones. evil liars.

why on earth would you say it has any relation to modern day society

OutOfBreath

HANKTHELANK wrote:

Anybody see this movie? what did you think? Anybody think like me that this was just another holywood propaganda movie with many subliminal messages? Got into a conversation with a co-worker and he thinks i'm crazy and that this was nothing more then just a movie.

1 point that really stood out to me was tapping peoples cellphones to track down the joker. Identical to what is happening in real life.

Really like to hear peoples views.

If it were "propaganda", I dont think the main characters would have been depicted as ambiguisely. I mean, even the joker in his sick way, has a point, and batman is very grey, if not dark (as the title suggests). I think you're reading too much into it. As for the tapping, Fox clearly opposes it, and the equipment is destroyed after they get the joker. The point is that such things may be possible (well, not the sonar thingy, but the tapping). The point of these new Batman movies, is to show the problematic sides of being a (superhero) vigilante, and how that may lead to "the dark side" if one is not extremely careful.

I loved the movie. Heath Ledger deserves all the praise he's been getting, and then some. He nailed the essence of the joker, in a chillingly real way. Give that man the oscar posthumously, asap! Christian Bale as Batman is also great.

Peace
Dan

Smellyman2

I liked the Hong Kong scenes....:)

Nothing overt in the Dark Knight.


V for Vendetta is much better

Jack_C_Gregory

I read that Michael Caine said something along the lines of this: Superman is the way Americans see themselves and Batman is the way the world sees Americans.

NMyTree

Well, it was a great movie.

Propaganda?

If anything the movie was holding a mirror up to reflect the chaos, confusion and distrust in America's society, these days.


I think it was a deliberate attempt to be thought-provoking and maybe get americans to see a similar situation, from the outside looking .....in.

HANKTHELANK

radiohead33 wrote:

lets see...

gotham has gone to hell. its total chaos. there is a war going on in a way. no one can be trusted. even superheroes cant save the day. politicians are liars. tapping of phones. evil liars.

why on earth would you say it has any relation to modern day society

Just for the fact that congress has just passed the fisa act which retroactively legalizes the wire tapping that has occurred in past 7 years in the name of fighting terrorism. Its the same thing in essence as to what happened in the movie. The fact that batman destroys the technology means nothing, its the acceptance of having more liberties taken away for the sake of preventing a catastrophe. The movie portrays a dire situation where such actions as a last resort are needed, however in the world we now live in, imop, these threats are nonexistent but we are repeatedly told they are.

OutOfBreath

The movie also features an almost omniscient super-crook that kills 30-40 people before lunch, and always somehow manages to get away...

I have a hard time interpreting it as propaganda. To me it's just yet another way that Batman circumvents the laws in order to continue his personal crusade. And he is not a very sympathetic character himself. (something I applaud these last two batman movies for showing) I won't say Batman increases acceptance of demolishing buildings and neighbourhoods while chasing evil-doers either....

So, no, I dont think there were any "subliminal messages" in there to speak of. It is a superhero movie, with an ambigous superhero character (which isn't that good for propaganda purposes), who utilizes all kinds of technological gizmos to crack down on crooks. What these movies do, is focus on just how that's ultimately a bad thing, of which even Batman himself seems to be aware.

Peace
Dan

MrBrian

_outlaw wrote:

I was talking about this the other day with some people here at work... it's really strange, I don't think the Nolans, Bale, or any of the cast are into that kind of stuff... in fact, I'm pretty sure they're liberal and stuff...

It's very strange to see them do that whole tapping into the cell phones, calling the Joker a "terrorist" repeatedly that "must be stopped at all costs"... even Alfred's comment about how he "burned the forest down" to stop that bandit was pretty strange...

I don't know, I tried not to think about it and just enjoyed the movie, lol.

Yeah! I did the same exact thing haha!
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I did like this joker line ""People are only as civilized at the world around them allows them to be" He went on to say that when trouble happens they turn to animals (or something like that)

Then the last few scenes with the boats and the bombs...No chance in hell will the boats not blow eachother up. Infact I was waiting for the group of 'innocent' victims to set off the one filled with the 'guilty'...

In real life, they are pressing the button. For sure!

MrBrian

and Bale needs to practice that Batman voice, perhpas take some lessons from Keaton.

The Bale Batman voice sucks soooo bad. I kept on laughing. anyone else think it was funny?

NMyTree

The idea is that when he's Batman he's disguising his voice so no one realizes who he is.

FiveB247x

I really liked the movie. Especially liked the Joker character and his whole chaos theory/anarchist philosophy.

melodious

I saw the movie...

The joker was a great character. And he held only one face under all that make-up.

What I noticed is "the damsel in distress" portion was a reality check. In a sense, if one were to take out the effects and sensationalism, the entire movie was truthful. People do turn into monsters when feeling vegenance and there are many public servants who do function with less than honorable intent.

I loved the name they gave the D.A. as a foreshadow to his ultimate destiny...that combined with the coin he carried implied how money can change the face of even the best of intentions .It was extremeley symbolic.

InHiding19

the whole wire tapping thing was definately a criticism of it.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

MrBrian wrote:

Then the last few scenes with the boats and the bombs...No chance in hell will the boats not blow eachother up. Infact I was waiting for the group of 'innocent' victims to set off the one filled with the 'guilty'...

In real life, they are pressing the button. For sure!

you think so? i like to think i wouldnt. maybe i'm being naive.

FiveB247x

Absolutely. Maybe in Gotham people would wait it out, but in reality, 1 boat is toast.

MrSmith wrote:

you think so? i like to think i wouldnt. maybe i'm being naive.