"FBI agents would not be allowed to eavesdrop on phone calls or dig deeply into personal data — such as the content of phone or e-mail records or bank statements — until a full investigation was opened."
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they don't have to eavesdrop, the telecommunication companies will do it for them, all the FBI has to do is ask for the records.
Hmmm... I thought they already had those abilities
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
and thus it makes it ok to kill israelis!!!! woo hoo!!!!! party! :rolleyes:
umm, i'm not quite sure how you connected those dots....
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Because racial profiling allows law enforcement to randomly stop, detain and take into custody any person without any just cause and for no other reason than the fact the person is of a certain race. Please remember that under the rules and law of terror, individuals can be held indifinitely while being investigated. Citizens for no other reason than being of a certain race become blacklisted with an FBI file as a suspected terrorist.
I think the other problem with profiling is it leaves holes in other areas of security. To simplify things if you are airport security and you are just looking for middle eastern looking guys and giving them special attention, that to me indicates that you are going easier on other people. No considering the "Muslim world" covers a huge area of the world, not just the middle east (like from Africa to South East Asia), I would think it wouldn't be to hard for terrorists to find some guys who might have a relatively different skin colour to work for them, and in turn security would go easier on those guys because they didn’t fit the skin colour profile.
I think the other problem with profiling is it leaves holes in other areas of security. To simplify things if you are airport security and you are just looking for middle eastern looking guys and giving them special attention, that to me indicates that you are going easier on other people. No considering the "Muslim world" covers a huge area of the world, not just the middle east (like from Africa to South East Asia), I would think it wouldn't be to hard for terrorists to find some guys who might have a relatively different skin colour to work for them, and in turn security would go easier on those guys because they didn’t fit the skin colour profile.
Very true. It's so easy to slip through the cracks, by just recognizing the cliche views. Ask any fringe dweller...once one knows the basic mindsets, one can easily get beyond them and operate in plain sight, being essentially invisible.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I don't think any sort of broad racial profiling would be at all helpful ... That being said, pretending that Muslim extremists are more diverse than they really are, just to be PC, is not helpful either. Ethnic background (I prefer this term as Middle Eastern people are not technically a distinct race) is one potential charcteristic of a so-called terrorist. If having that information is helpful and will save lives, then said info should be used. That doesn't mean that everyone is a certain group is automatically suspect, of course. That kind of a broad approach wouldn't be effective (and it would be discriminatory).
Considering Muslims are the ones blowing up everything, I dont have a problem with this.
Cut the politically correct B.S.... We know the people that are doing this crap.
it's not like we don't blow up shit, either, we level the place and poison it w/ DU weaponry and unexploded cluster bombs
and pay for other ppl to do it, too
so, yeah, we know where they are, we keep voting them in
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Considering Muslims are the ones blowing up everything, I dont have a problem with this.
Cut the politically correct B.S.... We know the people that are doing this crap.
But not all Muslims are brown-skinned guys from the middle east. Like I said considering how big the Muslim world I don't really think it would be difficult for Al-Quada to find guys who have a different skin colour than Bin-Laden. They were based in Sudan before they moved to Afghanistan. The biggest Muslim country in the world (population wise) is Indonesia. You don't think they could find a black guy or an East-Asian looking guy who shares their beliefs? If my enemy told me they were only looking for people of a certain skin colour or origin, I would damn sure find people to work for me that don't fit that profile.
I am not talking about being politically correct I am talking about being lazy when it comes to doing intelligence work. To use an extreme example would you rather an airport security guard give extra special attention to the Arabic looking guy who is calm and doesn't seem to be a risk just because of his skin colour or the black guy who is sweating and is wearing a funny looking vest?
I am not talking about being politically correct I am talking about being lazy when it comes to doing intelligence work. To use an extreme example would you rather an airport security guard give extra special attention to the Arabic looking guy who is calm and doesn't seem to be a risk just because of his skin colour or the black guy who is sweating and is wearing a funny looking vest?
But not all Muslims are brown-skinned guys from the middle east. Like I said considering how big the Muslim world I don't really think it would be difficult for Al-Quada to find guys who have a different skin colour than Bin-Laden. They were based in Sudan before they moved to Afghanistan. The biggest Muslim country in the world (population wise) is Indonesia. You don't think they could find a black guy or an East-Asian looking guy who shares their beliefs? If my enemy told me they were only looking for people of a certain skin colour or origin, I would damn sure find people to work for me that don't fit that profile.
I am not talking about being politically correct I am talking about being lazy when it comes to doing intelligence work. To use an extreme example would you rather an airport security guard give extra special attention to the Arabic looking guy who is calm and doesn't seem to be a risk just because of his skin colour or the black guy who is sweating and is wearing a funny looking vest?
Agreed, also.
Plus, using the label "pc" is the about the same lack of discernment...people see the "pc" label, and block their ability to discern information and details.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Plus, using the label "pc" is the about the same lack of discernment...people see the "pc" label, and block their ability to discern information and details.
yeah, and by trying to be nondiscriminatory as well as nonintrusive we have forgotton how to protect ourselves, I think.
I am not "pro war" and I certainly understand that innocent people get killed. They go everyday.
I love this clip because to me it says it all...........
yeah, and by trying to be nondiscriminatory as well as nonintrusive we have forgotton how to protect ourselves, I think.
I am not "pro war" and I certainly understand that innocent people get killed. They go everyday.
I love this clip because to me it says it all...........
The irony is that those of us who are speaking against racial profiling are speaking about actually getting to the bottom of things, rather than giving ourselves pat answers and a false sense of security. When people look beyond the labels and preconceptions, they can actually see....
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
There are two kinds of discriminate...one means to categorize people based on group, rather than merit, which is the opposite of understanding facts.
The other kind of "discriminate" is used in the same way I used the word "discern"...which means to actually understand the merits of a situation beyond the labels and categories that blind many.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
the only ones whose rights are protected are the guilty.
Correction: People are innocent until proven guilty.
Civilized and reasoned individuals, when being reasonable, do not make rash, potentially dangerous and life altering decisions based on emotional arguments, but rather use reason. And with reason, dangerous errors do not happen.
When people are driven by fear and emotional argument it becomes about fueling the lynch mob mentality. Personally, when I watch movies, I always cheer for the one individual who speaks reasonbly, and who makes sense, even when the lynch mob continues on with dangerous error.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
The irony is that those of us who are speaking against racial profiling are speaking about actually getting to the bottom of things, rather than giving ourselves pat answers and a false sense of security. When people look beyond the labels and preconceptions, they can actually see....
as long as that is what the people in charge will do, as you say you believe, then I would so love to see that. These days there are so many radical believers in both camps; those that are behind the soldiers and those against them and the war.
But the truth is no one is that black and white and if they are then they are really not thinking. I have said a million times here; (on other war threads and the like) if someone has an answer that is both peaceful and a message that the US is not to be fucked with, then I would love to have it happen. So far, anyone who has told me they think the war is wrong has not been able to tell me their plan B.
Baby, You Wouldn't Last a Minute on The Creek......
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
as long as that is what the people in charge will do, as you say you believe, then I would so love to see that. These days there are so many radical believers in both camps; those that are behind the soldiers and those against them and the war.
But the truth is no one is that black and white and if they are then they are really not thinking. I have said a million times here; (on other war threads and the like) if someone has an answer that is both peaceful and a message that the US is not to be fucked with, then I would love to have it happen. So far, anyone who has told me they think the war is wrong has not been able to tell me their plan B.
do you know why people 'fuck' with the US?
You can't stop people from 'fucking with the US' by starting more wars... THAT'S WHY PEOPLE FUCK WITH YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE.
The irony is that those of us who are speaking against racial profiling are speaking about actually getting to the bottom of things, rather than giving ourselves pat answers and a false sense of security. When people look beyond the labels and preconceptions, they can actually see....
a lot of ppl like to just shuffle papers around and mumble instead of working at fixing problems over many subjects
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
the only ones whose rights are protected are the guilty.
they had just better make sure they do not put the innocent in a bad light.
not all people from that country are crazy ass terrorists.
so you think it's understandable to pull a 'middle eastern looking' person aside and ask them questions, search their luggage, look up records, physical search....and take their time about doing it?
so if you visited some country and they said hey, americans are war mongers who don't even care their elected leaders lied to them to gain approval to illegally attack and occupy a foreign country...and did this to you, you'd be cool and at the end shake their hands and say you know they did what they had to do?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
as long as that is what the people in charge will do, as you say you believe,...
I don't say I believe this is what people in charge will do at all. Frankly, I'm alarmed at how human beings perpetuate their problems and blame others for it.
then I would so love to see that. These days there are so many radical believers in both camps; those that are behind the soldiers and those against them and the war.
I see this as being because people attach to ideologies, rather than understand and respond to what actually happens.
But the truth is no one is that black and white and if they are then they are really not thinking.
When it comes down to each choice, people will choose emotional arguments or reason. And will also choose to play out the consequences of such choice.
I have said a million times here; (on other war threads and the like) if someone has an answer that is both peaceful and a message that the US is not to be fucked with, then I would love to have it happen. So far, anyone who has told me they think the war is wrong has not been able to tell me their plan B.
The solution will not magically appear. It's up to each of us to rise to the occasion and bring our top ideals to the table. As long as we continue with complacency, poor judgment, excuses, and expect the immaculate image of a leader to save us, we're perpetuating the illusions and will continue to live in the darkness.
hint: there is no leader to save us from ourselves.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
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they already pull over law abiding muslims on a daily basis. welcome to the real world.
also, puremagic: excellent posts.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
umm, i'm not quite sure how you connected those dots....
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I think the other problem with profiling is it leaves holes in other areas of security. To simplify things if you are airport security and you are just looking for middle eastern looking guys and giving them special attention, that to me indicates that you are going easier on other people. No considering the "Muslim world" covers a huge area of the world, not just the middle east (like from Africa to South East Asia), I would think it wouldn't be to hard for terrorists to find some guys who might have a relatively different skin colour to work for them, and in turn security would go easier on those guys because they didn’t fit the skin colour profile.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Cut the politically correct B.S.... We know the people that are doing this crap.
"Why sit when you can dance?" - Me
it's not like we don't blow up shit, either, we level the place and poison it w/ DU weaponry and unexploded cluster bombs
and pay for other ppl to do it, too
so, yeah, we know where they are, we keep voting them in
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
well, it's about time.
the only ones whose rights are protected are the guilty.
they had just better make sure they do not put the innocent in a bad light.
not all people from that country are crazy ass terrorists.
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
thank you thank you..............
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
But not all Muslims are brown-skinned guys from the middle east. Like I said considering how big the Muslim world I don't really think it would be difficult for Al-Quada to find guys who have a different skin colour than Bin-Laden. They were based in Sudan before they moved to Afghanistan. The biggest Muslim country in the world (population wise) is Indonesia. You don't think they could find a black guy or an East-Asian looking guy who shares their beliefs? If my enemy told me they were only looking for people of a certain skin colour or origin, I would damn sure find people to work for me that don't fit that profile.
I am not talking about being politically correct I am talking about being lazy when it comes to doing intelligence work. To use an extreme example would you rather an airport security guard give extra special attention to the Arabic looking guy who is calm and doesn't seem to be a risk just because of his skin colour or the black guy who is sweating and is wearing a funny looking vest?
Agreed.
Plus, using the label "pc" is the about the same lack of discernment...people see the "pc" label, and block their ability to discern information and details.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
yeah, and by trying to be nondiscriminatory as well as nonintrusive we have forgotton how to protect ourselves, I think.
I am not "pro war" and I certainly understand that innocent people get killed. They go everyday.
I love this clip because to me it says it all...........
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
The other kind of "discriminate" is used in the same way I used the word "discern"...which means to actually understand the merits of a situation beyond the labels and categories that blind many.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Civilized and reasoned individuals, when being reasonable, do not make rash, potentially dangerous and life altering decisions based on emotional arguments, but rather use reason. And with reason, dangerous errors do not happen.
When people are driven by fear and emotional argument it becomes about fueling the lynch mob mentality. Personally, when I watch movies, I always cheer for the one individual who speaks reasonbly, and who makes sense, even when the lynch mob continues on with dangerous error.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
as long as that is what the people in charge will do, as you say you believe, then I would so love to see that. These days there are so many radical believers in both camps; those that are behind the soldiers and those against them and the war.
But the truth is no one is that black and white and if they are then they are really not thinking. I have said a million times here; (on other war threads and the like) if someone has an answer that is both peaceful and a message that the US is not to be fucked with, then I would love to have it happen. So far, anyone who has told me they think the war is wrong has not been able to tell me their plan B.
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
You can't stop people from 'fucking with the US' by starting more wars... THAT'S WHY PEOPLE FUCK WITH YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE.
so, they do it because they think we are bullies?
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
a lot of ppl like to just shuffle papers around and mumble instead of working at fixing problems over many subjects
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
well, if we do fight innocent people then we are just that though.
Together we will float like angels.........
In the moment that you left the room, the album started skipping, goodbye to beauty shared with the ones that you love.........
so you think it's understandable to pull a 'middle eastern looking' person aside and ask them questions, search their luggage, look up records, physical search....and take their time about doing it?
so if you visited some country and they said hey, americans are war mongers who don't even care their elected leaders lied to them to gain approval to illegally attack and occupy a foreign country...and did this to you, you'd be cool and at the end shake their hands and say you know they did what they had to do?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
When it comes down to each choice, people will choose emotional arguments or reason. And will also choose to play out the consequences of such choice.
The solution will not magically appear. It's up to each of us to rise to the occasion and bring our top ideals to the table. As long as we continue with complacency, poor judgment, excuses, and expect the immaculate image of a leader to save us, we're perpetuating the illusions and will continue to live in the darkness.
hint: there is no leader to save us from ourselves.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!