FBI might use race profiling in terror investigations

fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
edited July 2008 in A Moving Train
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25501088/

in other news, israel might steal palestinian land.
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  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    _outlaw wrote:
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25501088/

    in other news, israel might steal palestinian land.

    in still other news, palestinians want to kill israelis too.
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  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    _outlaw wrote:
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25501088/

    in other news, israel might steal palestinian land.


    'might'??????
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • 3inputchick3inputchick Posts: 845
    chopitdown wrote:
    in still other news, palestinians want to kill israelis too.
    thank you.
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  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    chopitdown wrote:
    in still other news, palestinians want to kill israelis too.


    in what should be news but isn't for some reason israel kills more palestinians in just a few days than palestinians kill israelis in a few years
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    El_Kabong wrote:
    in what should be news but isn't for some reason israel kills more palestinians in just a few days than palestinians kill israelis in a few years

    and thus it makes it ok to kill israelis!!!! woo hoo!!!!! party! :rolleyes:
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  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    chopitdown wrote:
    and thus it makes it ok to kill israelis!!!! woo hoo!!!!! party! :rolleyes:
    so you admit israelis kill more palestinians? Then why would you ignore that and go directly to mentioning that Palestinians kill Israelis?

    pretty stupid.
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    El_Kabong wrote:
    in what should be news but isn't for some reason israel kills more palestinians in just a few days than palestinians kill israelis in a few years

    Its the old "yeah, but asshole A is clearly worse than asshole B" defense.
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    Its the old "yeah, but asshole A is clearly worse than asshole B" defense.
    It's definitely way more complciated than that.
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    _outlaw wrote:
    It's definitely way more complciated than that.

    I agree, but that's how excusing Palestinian violence by saying that the Israelis are worse comes across.
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    I agree, but that's how excusing Palestinian violence by saying that the Israelis are worse comes across.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    and profiling is bad how?



    if 3 midgets robbed a bank... your going to look for 3 midgets right?


    common sense is valuable folks
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    my2hands wrote:
    and profiling is bad how?



    if 3 midgets robbed a bank... your going to look for 3 midgets right?


    common sense is valuable folks
    Do you even know what profiling means?
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    _outlaw wrote:
    Do you even know what profiling means?


    yes i do, do you?


    it is used legally by law enforcement across this country everyday

    btw, why not use your real screen name?
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    if 3 white guys rob a bank... are you pulling over black people? of course not
  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    _outlaw wrote:
    so you admit israelis kill more palestinians? Then why would you ignore that and go directly to mentioning that Palestinians kill Israelis?

    pretty stupid.

    i haven't ignored it once. I've said BOTH sides kill and BOTH sides are at fault repeatedly. You were the one that said palestinians will be killed by israelis (fact) you conveniently left out the other fact and that is palestinians will kill israelis...which is somehow, as evidenced by this thread, justifiable??? THAT's what's stupid and ignorant. You're willfully ignoring the fact that both sides kill people and saying that since one side kills or gets killed more it justifies the other side.
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  • Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    my2hands wrote:
    and profiling is bad how?



    if 3 midgets robbed a bank... your going to look for 3 midgets right?


    common sense is valuable folks

    But if the guy the midgets work for wants to rob more banks, and the cops say they are going to be especially on the look out for midgets in banks, all he has to do is to get Shaq to rob a bank from him and no one will pay attention to him because the guards will be to busy looking for midgets.

    If your anti-terriorism strategy is as simple as "we are going to focus on people with a certain skin colour", all the bad guys have to do is find somone with a different skin colour and they have foiled your strategy.
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    chopitdown wrote:
    i haven't ignored it once. I've said BOTH sides kill and BOTH sides are at fault repeatedly. You were the one that said palestinians will be killed by israelis (fact) you conveniently left out the other fact and that is palestinians will kill israelis...which is somehow, as evidenced by this thread, justifiable??? THAT's what's stupid and ignorant. You're willfully ignoring the fact that both sides kill people and saying that since one side kills or gets killed more it justifies the other side.
    There are many perspectives. There is often a widely accepted stance in North America for Israeli violence and much less so for Palestinian violence. Therefore those who point out the deaths of Palestinians already feel they clarifying and balancing out widespread existing bias, which is certainly fair in one sense.

    Just as saying violence takes place on both sides is also fair.
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  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    btw, why not use your real screen name?
    what real name?
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    my2hands wrote:
    if 3 white guys rob a bank... are you pulling over black people? of course not
    did you even read the first paragraph of the article? your comparisons are so far off.

    what this is MORE like saying is that if 3 white guys rob a bank, then the FBI has the right to investigate ANY white guy who has NO history of crimes, who MAY happen to just be white.
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    chopitdown wrote:
    i haven't ignored it once. I've said BOTH sides kill and BOTH sides are at fault repeatedly. You were the one that said palestinians will be killed by israelis (fact) you conveniently left out the other fact and that is palestinians will kill israelis...which is somehow, as evidenced by this thread, justifiable??? THAT's what's stupid and ignorant. You're willfully ignoring the fact that both sides kill people and saying that since one side kills or gets killed more it justifies the other side.

    Palestinians will be killed by Israelis?
    No I didn't. I said Israel will steal Palestinian land. Big difference.
    And the fact that Israel kills more people doesn't "justify" the deaths Palestinians cause. Even though this whole discussion can be had in the other thread, my point is just that the reason Palestinians are using violence is because the Israelis force them to.
  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    my2hands wrote:
    and profiling is bad how?

    Because racial profiling allows law enforcement to randomly stop, detain and take into custody any person without any just cause and for no other reason than the fact the person is of a certain race. Please remember that under the rules and law of terror, individuals can be held indifinitely while being investigated. Citizens for no other reason than being of a certain race become blacklisted with an FBI file as a suspected terrorist.

    my2hands wrote:
    ?

    if 3 midgets robbed a bank... your going to look for 3 midgets right?

    common sense is valuable folks


    Common sense is very valuable when used properly. Your example of 3 midgets is poor since the topic is about profiling ethnic groups. So maybe you'd like to tell us what race or religion these midgets were. Maybe you'd like to tell us what the midgets were dressed like or whether they had beards, or didn't it matter because a midget is a midget so lets round them all up.
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  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    my2hands wrote:
    if 3 white guys rob a bank... are you pulling over black people? of course not


    Do you seriously believe they'd randomly start detaining all white males? Believe it or not, in terms of law enforcement white is not an ethnic group.
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    puremagic wrote:
    Because racial profiling allows law enforcement to randomly stop, detain and take into custody any person without any just cause and for no other reason than the fact the person is of a certain race. Please remember that under the rules and law of terror, individuals can be held indifinitely while being investigated. Citizens for no other reason than being of a certain race become blacklisted with an FBI file as a suspected terrorist.





    Common sense is very valuable when used properly. Your example of 3 midgets is poor since the topic is about profiling ethnic groups. So maybe you'd like to tell us what race or religion these midgets were. Maybe you'd like to tell us what the midgets were dressed like or whether they had beards, or didn't it matter because a midget is a midget so lets round them all up.
    very nice!
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  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    eyedclaar wrote:
    BREAKING NEWS!

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    BREAKING NEWS, yes, racial profiling has been ongoing forever, however, this takes it to whole a new level.

    DOJ is authorizing the FBI to use the rules and laws that is suppose to cover foreign terrorists against American citizens. DOJ authorization of such use of the laws governing terrorists in this fashion is nothing more than a form of mccarthism.
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  • puremagicpuremagic Posts: 1,907
    "FBI agents would not be allowed to eavesdrop on phone calls or dig deeply into personal data — such as the content of phone or e-mail records or bank statements — until a full investigation was opened."

    =====

    they don't have to eavesdrop, the telecommunication companies will do it for them, all the FBI has to do is ask for the records.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    _outlaw wrote:
    did you even read the first paragraph of the article? your comparisons are so far off.

    what this is MORE like saying is that if 3 white guys rob a bank, then the FBI has the right to investigate ANY white guy who has NO history of crimes, who MAY happen to just be white.


    do you have any law enforcement experience or know anyone i nlaw enforcement?

    do you really think they are complete jackass's that are going to pull over every law abiding muslim?

    profiling is using common sense
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    puremagic wrote:
    Do you seriously believe they'd randomly start detaining all white males? Believe it or not, in terms of law enforcement white is not an ethnic group.

    do you seriously believe they'd randomly start detaining all muslim males?
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    _outlaw wrote:
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25501088/

    in other news, israel might steal palestinian land.
    ...
    I believe the source of this article was, 'No Shit?' magazine.
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  • All they have to profile is the fact that poor people regardless of race commit various crimes to get more money.

    That should wrap up about 70% of it...

    There, I just saved at least 40 million dollars in taxpayer money, and it only took about 20 seconds.
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