so you want universal heath care- heres what to expect

Pacomc79

"America's patchwork of for-profit, private insurers waste billions of dollars on spending that has nothing to do with paying for care. Elaborate underwriting, billing, sales and marketing divert huge amounts of money away from delivering health care. Huge profits and staggering compensation for the insurance companies' top executives and CEO's. "


nice to have you back Kabong... the above...is spot on. I don't begrudge anyone making a profit generally... but the healthcare system currently sucks largely because of the Insurance Companies.... they are negociating every end of the deal.

Getting healthcare away from corporate paid plans which come from deals with insurance companies won't be a bad thing. I vote we get both sides of withholding out of this arena.... we could probably get better deals if they had to compete anyway.

I mean think about it, when's the last time you heard an insurance company have massive layoffs? Efficiency... I think not.

I don't have the numbers but I bet the top 3 campaigns in the country and the majority of all the influential companies and politicians...get greased quite a bit from the top insurance agencies in the country.

Thecure

dmitry wrote:

how much do they cost?

sorry i was looking for more recent info but i found this article that i think will show alot.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/17244

it is an interesting article.

meme

pjalive21 wrote:

someone want to volunteer to pay for mine?

didnt think so, so im not paying more taxes so someone without a job, or a legal resident can have healthcare

Yeah seriously. Someone without a job? You are obviously a healthy person. Hope for you it stays that way.

El_Kabong

cornnifer wrote:

You two are funny as hell. i just read this same exact post in another thread! (it was ridiculous in that thread as well). At least be original. Elaborate me, if you will, about the specifics of the Nadster's healthcare plan. That is if you can post it before i exercise this forum's cool little "ignore user" feature.

ah, man, i was seriously hoping to have a discussion w/ you over obama's vs kucinich's health care plans....here's obama's:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
NOT universal as i keep hearing ppl describe it as, in fact, does ANYONE know exactly how much 'affordable' is to barack? i think that is an important issue, otherwise his 'plan' is too vague

now,again, here's kucinich's, as you requested, so let's discuss how obama's is better, i'd like to hear that arguement!


http://www.dennis4president.com/go/issues/a-healthy-nation/

A Healthy Nation

Health care in the US is too expensive and leaves 46 million Americans without insurance and millions more underinsured. Dennis Kucinich is the only candidate for President with a plan for a Universal, Single-Payer, Not-for-Profit health care system.

America's patchwork of for-profit, private insurers waste billions of dollars on spending that has nothing to do with paying for care. Elaborate underwriting, billing, sales and marketing divert huge amounts of money away from delivering health care. Huge profits and staggering compensation for the insurance companies' top executives and CEO's.

To cope with the endless bureaucracy of private insurers, health care providers maintain huge administrative staffs. The administration of the health care system today consumes approximately 31% of the money spent for health care. The potential savings, as much as $350 billion per year, are enough to provide comprehensive coverage to every American without paying any more than we already do.

In Congress, Representative Dennis Kucinich has co-authored HR 676, legislation which would establish Medicare for All - a universal, single-payer, not-for-profit health care system that leaves no American behind.

Resources:

Myths as Barriers to Health Care Reform A paper refuting many of the myths associated with single-payer health care.
No Health Insurance? It's Enough to Make You Sick American College of Physicians paper - Uninsured Americans live sicker and die younger.
Uninsured Americans with Chronic Health Conditions Key Findings from the National Health Interview Survey - the Urban Institute and the University of Maryland, Baltimore County.
H.R. 676 - the United States National Health Insurance Act Read Rep. Kucinich's legislation on THOMAS (The Library of Congress

redrock

I have lived both in the US and in countries with national/universal health care. Guess which one I find better? Yep... national health care. A while back there was a thread about this and I remember someone saying that for what started as a stupid accident (a nail through a toe?), the poor person ended up paying thousands of dollars in care. I suffered from a pulmonary embolism a few years back, in ICU for days, scans, etc. I did not pay a penny. Also, having my child was 'free' - even with the complications I had which meant I had to go into theatre and a longer hospital stay.

Sure I pay a bit more on my taxes and of course it has its faults, but it is well worth it. I NEVER have to worry if I'm ill or have an accident or anything. I also have the greatest peace of mind that my child will ALWAYS be taken care of in case she has something, even if my personal circumstances at the time are at their lowest.

Those that say they don't want to pay for others who don't work, etc. to get their healthcare and they should sort themselves out... I really hope you ALWAYS have your health and you ALWAYS have a well paid job. I hope life doesn't do one of it's 'turns' on you.

When one talks about affordable health care. There will always be a large percentage of the population for whom it will not be affordable. Not because they don't work but because every penny earned counts towards just 'living'. There are so many hard working people that are still just above the poverty line.

El_Kabong

pjalive21 wrote:

someone want to volunteer to pay for mine?

didnt think so, so im not paying more taxes so someone without a job, or a legal resident can have healthcare

you already do, haven't you heard about medicare/aid?

dontloseyourheat

pjalive21 wrote:

someone want to volunteer to pay for mine?

didnt think so, so im not paying more taxes so someone without a job, or a legal resident can have healthcare

You realize that everyone pays taxes right? Even illegal aliens pay sales taxes.

fanch75

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpres...ee-healthcare/

"Stuff White People Like"

#94 Free Healthcare
April 4, 2008 by clander

In spite of having access to the best health insurance and fanciest hospitals, white people are passionate about the idea of socialized medicine. So much so that they have memorized statistics and examples of how for-profit medicine has destroyed the United States.

But before you can exploit this information for personal gain, it’s important that you understand why white people are so in love with free health care.

The first and most obvious reason is “they have it Europe.” White people love all things European, this especially true of things that are unavailable in the United States (Rare Beers, Absinthe, legal marijuana, prostitution, soccer). The fact that it’s available in Canada isn’t really that impressive, but it does contribute to their willingness to threaten to move there.

These desires were only heightened in 2007 when Michael Moore released “Sicko,” a documentary that contrasts the health care industry in the United States with that of Canada, France and Cuba. As a general rule of thumb, white people are always extra passionate about issues that have been the subject of a Moore documentary. As a test, ask them about 9/11, Gun Control, or Health Care and then say “where did you get that information?” You will not be surprised at the results.

But the secret reason why all white people love socialized medicine is that they all love the idea of receiving health care without having a full-time job. This would allow them to work as a freelance designer/consultant/copywriter/photographer/blogger, open their own bookstore, stay at home with their kids, or be a part of an Internet start-up without having to worry about a benefits package. Though many of them would never follow this path, they appreciate having the option.

If you need to impress a white person, merely mention how you got hurt on a recent trip Canada/England/Sweden and though you were a foreigner you received excellent and free health care. They will be very impressed and likely tell you about how powerful drug and health care lobbies are destroying everything.

Though their passion for national health care runs deep, it is important to remember that white people are most in favor of it when they are healthy. They love the idea of everyone have equal access to the resources that will keep them alive, that is until they have to wait in line for an MRI.

This is very similar to the way that white people express their support for public schools when they don’t have children.