"Lawyer Philip Berg’s lawsuit questioning Barack Obama’s “natural born” status has entered a do-or-die phase after the Supreme Court has ordered the president-elect to produce his birth certificate by December 1st.
Berg, who appealed his case to America’s highest court, was told by Justice David Souter’s Clerk that his petition for an injunction to stay the November 4th election was denied. The Clerk also required the defendants (Obama, the DNC, and FEC) to respond to the Writ of Certiorari by December 1. At that time, Obama must present an authentic birth certificate to the Court, which has been sealed by Hawaii governor Linda Lingle. Berg will get to respond afterwards.
Failure to do that will surely inspire the skepticism of the Justices in Obama, who are not used to being defied. The Court will have to decide what to do about a president-elect who refuses to prove his natural-born citizenship.
“I can see a unanimous Court (en banc) decertifying the election if Obama refuses to produce his birth certificate,” says attorney and writer Raymond S. Kraft. “They cannot do otherwise without abandoning all credibility as guardians of the Constitution. Even the most liberal justices, however loathe they may to do this, still consider themselves guardians of the Constitution. The Court is very jealous of its power - even over presidents, even over presidents-elect.”
Obama’s own campaign website has stated the president-elect was a Kenyan citizen until 1982. Audio of Obama’s Kenyan grandmother saying he was born in Kenya has recently surfaced.
On December 13, the Electoral College meets to casts its votes. If it has been determined that Mr. Obama is an illegal alien and therefore ineligible to become President of the United States, the Electors will be duty-bound to honor the Constitution."
From the Supreme Court website.....
looks like there is no case and even the Writ of Certiorari has been denied
Mr. Berg has been receiving phone calls today asking for a copy of "the order from the Supreme Court requiring that Obama produce his citizenship documentation."
Mr. Berg has not received notification of any such order or anything similar to it, nor is it posted on the Supreme Court website.
This must be regarded as an unfounded rumor until it appears on the Supreme Court website or Mr. Berg receives notification.
If and when the Court does issue such an order, we will post it immediately.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Either way...crazy stupid or not. It's real...it's happening....and the deadline for ol howdy do is Dec 1'st.
Point in case...please try to contain the hate
"Phillip J. Berg of Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania, USA, is the former Pennsylvania Deputy Attorney General.
Berg has involved himself with causes that he believes are in adherence with the US Constitution. He challenged President Bush on his right to conduct a war against terror and another against Saddam Hussein with only a congressional authorization.
The case was appealed to the Supreme Court to suspend the election on Nov 4th. The supreme court denied his petition, but required the defendants to reply by December 1st."
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
So do we agree the supreme court didn't ask obama to produce his birth certificate?
Not yet, I imagine that's what Dec 1st will probably reveal. The supreme court could toss it out at that point depending on what is brought forward. I imagine they might want to see what Berg has, maybe it won't even get that far. He'll get his day in court, how it works out for him is another thread...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Not yet, I imagine that's what Dec 1st will probably reveal. The supreme court could toss it out at that point depending on what is brought forward. I imagine they might want to see what Berg has, maybe it won't even get that far. He'll get his day in court, how it works out for him is another thread...
Wanna have a wager on how it turns out . If i'm wrong, you get to choose what i have to do, and if you're wrong (which you are), then i get to choose...
Wanna have a wager on how it turns out . If i'm wrong, you get to choose what i have to do, and if you're wrong (which you are), then i get to choose...
Sound like a plan?
Beats arguing
Sure. I like to do that a lot at parties after a few drinks. (pause...let the visuals sink in)
....
However, in this case I'd be lying if I didn't think the most likely scenario is him picking up pieces afterwards, and maybe trying to work a book deal out of it.
Or....Obama goes down in a blaze of televised courtroom glory that absolutely dwarfs the OJ trial, concluding in LA catching on fire again.......meanwhile McCain steps right up, and Palin gets all her clothes back just in time for another shopping spree.
Maveralicious.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I think you can get a court order to see them, if you have the green, and some sort of evidence to bring forward like a questionable picture or a convincing body double sighting...etc...
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Sure. I like to do that a lot at parties after a few drinks. (pause...let the visuals sink in)
....
However, in this case I'd be lying if I didn't think the most likely scenario is him picking up pieces afterwards, and maybe trying to work a book deal out of it.
Or....Obama goes down in a blaze of televised courtroom glory that absolutely dwarfs the OJ trial, concluding in LA catching on fire again.......meanwhile McCain steps right up, and Palin gets all her clothes back just in time for another shopping spree.
Maveralicious.
Haha that's pretty funny, but you are the king of dodging. Haha you really are. So when you finally concede that you are incorrect, i think you should dress up exactly like this. And post a picture so that i can laugh at you. I want to see real tears too. Deal?
"Lawyer Philip Berg’s lawsuit questioning Barack Obama’s “natural born” status has entered a do-or-die phase after the Supreme Court has ordered the president-elect to produce his birth certificate by December 1st.
Berg, who appealed his case to America’s highest court, was told by Justice David Souter’s Clerk that his petition for an injunction to stay the November 4th election was denied. The Clerk also required the defendants (Obama, the DNC, and FEC) to respond to the Writ of Certiorari by December 1. At that time, Obama must present an authentic birth certificate to the Court, which has been sealed by Hawaii governor Linda Lingle. Berg will get to respond afterwards.
Failure to do that will surely inspire the skepticism of the Justices in Obama, who are not used to being defied. The Court will have to decide what to do about a president-elect who refuses to prove his natural-born citizenship.
“I can see a unanimous Court (en banc) decertifying the election if Obama refuses to produce his birth certificate,” says attorney and writer Raymond S. Kraft. “They cannot do otherwise without abandoning all credibility as guardians of the Constitution. Even the most liberal justices, however loathe they may to do this, still consider themselves guardians of the Constitution. The Court is very jealous of its power - even over presidents, even over presidents-elect.”
Obama’s own campaign website has stated the president-elect was a Kenyan citizen until 1982. Audio of Obama’s Kenyan grandmother saying he was born in Kenya has recently surfaced.
On December 13, the Electoral College meets to casts its votes. If it has been determined that Mr. Obama is an illegal alien and therefore ineligible to become President of the United States, the Electors will be duty-bound to honor the Constitution."
grasping at straws? ridiculous? desperate? sad? sour grapes? you obama supporters are sure fuckin sensitive, huh?
If it's as cut and dry as you think it is, why the venom and wasted energy defending it?
we our sad how frivolous this is. another waste of the courts time and money.
See what I mean? Dude…are you gonna be ok? I mean fuck….even Canadians are freaking out in his defence? Who cares? That’s what I’m saying….if it’s bullshit, why are you guys getting so upset?
You sling a bunch o' mud while leaving yourself an out if you're wrong ("appear to the contrary"). gawdamn I'm sick of the tinfoil hat comment...get some new material. a-w-a-r-e-n-e-s-s...is it a bad thing? No one is pushing this down your throat, it's information.
I’m not saying anything about the validity of this guys’ claim. I’m commenting on how many people here are frothing at the mouth over anything that may portray their fearless leader in a negative light. I agree that the GOP would be all over this if they thought it was valid (unless of course it’s all a conspiracy that they’re in on, waiting for the other shoe to drop before getting involved…maybe they do support it, but don’t want to play the heavy? )
people respond to controversial posts. its kind of been like that since the beginning. Your perceived interest in how vehemently someone defends obama is open to interpretation.
And that's a good point to focus on. If he has nothing to hide, why hide? If he has a valid birth certificate from Hawaii, then I have no problem. Issue resolved. But as of now this is a concern for me.
C'mon guys, if McCain had won the election and something like this came up you'd say that McCain sabotaged the election, just how you think Bush did in 2000. That's exactly how I feel about Obama right now. The Constitution is the Constitution, whether you like it or not.
Thanks McCarthy, you probably approved those taps too.
Either way...crazy stupid or not. It's real...it's happening....and the deadline for ol howdy do is Dec 1'st.
Point in case...please try to contain the hate
"Phillip J. Berg of Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania, USA, is the former Pennsylvania Deputy Attorney General.
Berg has involved himself with causes that he believes are in adherence with the US Constitution. He challenged President Bush on his right to conduct a war against terror and another against Saddam Hussein with only a congressional authorization.
The case was appealed to the Supreme Court to suspend the election on Nov 4th. The supreme court denied his petition, but required the defendants to reply by December 1st."
not over our heads, we have the capacity to see through bullshit.
Then it just went right over your had too.
I was referring to the anger people eagerly shovel out of their mouths when they are getting informed which was the context of discussion at that point.
I know very well this certificate thing is a flimsy pathetic argument. Duh...No kidding.
I post the FACTUAL info and then watch people run around pulling their hair out and foaming at the mouth. I can easily see why some voted for Obama just by observing their habits and thought patterns in what they post.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I know very well this certificate thing is a flimsy pathetic argument. Duh...No kidding.
Roland, why waste your time and others posting something you describe as 'a flimsy pathetic argument'? Why not post valid grievances concerning Obama and spark intelligent debate? Is this an attempt at trolling, trying to get folks to 'run around pulling their hair out and foaming at the mouth' (your words)? You know, it is possible to debate different ideological differences without personal insults. Sometimes it can even end up being a very interesting intellectual exercise where respect is gained from both sides.
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
Roland, why waste your time and others posting something you describe as 'a flimsy pathetic argument'? Why not post valid grievances concerning Obama and spark intelligent debate? Is this an attempt at trolling, trying to get folks to 'run around pulling their hair out and foaming at the mouth' (your words)? You know, it is possible to debate different ideological differences without personal insults. Sometimes it can even end up being a very interesting intellectual exercise where respect is gained from both sides.
I guess you didn't read much of the thread. I haven't insulted anyone, and I can't control how people objectively process information and react to it.
Yes. It is possible to debate ideological differences with out resorting to personal insults. I agree. Why you're pointing at me while saying it is something I have yet to understand.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
You post about it all the time- all the fucking time. Don't you have a job?
The information and story is what it is bro.
Take the hate somewhere else.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
people respond to controversial posts. its kind of been like that since the beginning. Your perceived interest in how vehemently someone defends obama is open to interpretation.
ok, explain your interpretation of my perceived interersts....
Why can't some people look at a story and/or the information and make up their minds and leave it at that?
It's never that simple for some reason. It always gets personal, like as though I personally am the one responsible for the situation and everything behind it.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Keep grasping at straws haters! 365 !!!!!!!!! GET OVER IT!
Why can't it just be enough to see that this man brings people together? The whole world is celebrating his victory...why do the losers have to try and ruin it?
"Had my eyes peeled both wide open, and I got a glimpse...of my innocense, got back my inner sence, baby got it...still got it"
Why can't some people look at a story and/or the information and make up their minds and leave it at that?
It's never that simple for some reason. It always gets personal, like as though I personally am the one responsible for the situation and everything behind it.
Because the debate is stupid and baseless, and when people call it stupid, you fan the flames by implying they're sheep for thinking so. Then when people get mad at you for fanning the flames, you put your hands up and say "hey, don't get mad at me bro, I was just posting the facts!" You intentionally post about a dumb debate and then act condescending towards those who call it a dumb debate.
Don't act like you're completely innocent here. Please. :rolleyes:
It's a town full of losers and I'm pulling out of here to win
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looks like there is no case and even the Writ of Certiorari has been denied
http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08a391.htm
http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08-570.htm
edit....looks like this was all denied before the article Roland has provided us was even written....
So this article is a complete lie written for fools (like some that frequent this forum).
Mr. Berg has been receiving phone calls today asking for a copy of "the order from the Supreme Court requiring that Obama produce his citizenship documentation."
Mr. Berg has not received notification of any such order or anything similar to it, nor is it posted on the Supreme Court website.
This must be regarded as an unfounded rumor until it appears on the Supreme Court website or Mr. Berg receives notification.
If and when the Court does issue such an order, we will post it immediately.
if there was any credibility here, every right wing nutjob pundit would be all over it months ago, and everyday since.
get over it and yourselves
Stop by:
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I've posted this already but...
anyhow the guy who has the lawsuit...this Berg guy....
He posted on His website 4 days ago...
This press release
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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Point in case...please try to contain the hate
"Phillip J. Berg of Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania, USA, is the former Pennsylvania Deputy Attorney General.
Berg has involved himself with causes that he believes are in adherence with the US Constitution. He challenged President Bush on his right to conduct a war against terror and another against Saddam Hussein with only a congressional authorization.
The case was appealed to the Supreme Court to suspend the election on Nov 4th. The supreme court denied his petition, but required the defendants to reply by December 1st."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillip_J._Berg
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Not yet, I imagine that's what Dec 1st will probably reveal. The supreme court could toss it out at that point depending on what is brought forward. I imagine they might want to see what Berg has, maybe it won't even get that far. He'll get his day in court, how it works out for him is another thread...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Sound like a plan?
Beats arguing
Sure. I like to do that a lot at parties after a few drinks. (pause...let the visuals sink in)
....
However, in this case I'd be lying if I didn't think the most likely scenario is him picking up pieces afterwards, and maybe trying to work a book deal out of it.
Or....Obama goes down in a blaze of televised courtroom glory that absolutely dwarfs the OJ trial, concluding in LA catching on fire again.......meanwhile McCain steps right up, and Palin gets all her clothes back just in time for another shopping spree.
Maveralicious.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
any idiot can fake a death
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/7520803.stm
http://swordattheready.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/ron-paul-babies.jpg
if you are too much of a badass and can't bring the tears, this will suffice..
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/n/w/1/ron_paul_woman2.jpg
yeah but the trick is staying fake dead.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
this is SUCH A NON STORY......to sensible people.
Then it just went right over your had too.
I was referring to the anger people eagerly shovel out of their mouths when they are getting informed which was the context of discussion at that point.
I know very well this certificate thing is a flimsy pathetic argument. Duh...No kidding.
I post the FACTUAL info and then watch people run around pulling their hair out and foaming at the mouth. I can easily see why some voted for Obama just by observing their habits and thought patterns in what they post.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Roland, why waste your time and others posting something you describe as 'a flimsy pathetic argument'? Why not post valid grievances concerning Obama and spark intelligent debate? Is this an attempt at trolling, trying to get folks to 'run around pulling their hair out and foaming at the mouth' (your words)? You know, it is possible to debate different ideological differences without personal insults. Sometimes it can even end up being a very interesting intellectual exercise where respect is gained from both sides.
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
I guess you didn't read much of the thread. I haven't insulted anyone, and I can't control how people objectively process information and react to it.
Yes. It is possible to debate ideological differences with out resorting to personal insults. I agree. Why you're pointing at me while saying it is something I have yet to understand.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
You post about it all the time- all the fucking time. Don't you have a job?
The information and story is what it is bro.
Take the hate somewhere else.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
It's never that simple for some reason. It always gets personal, like as though I personally am the one responsible for the situation and everything behind it.
Yes... I am Philip J Berg....
:rolleyes:
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Keep grasping at straws haters! 365 !!!!!!!!! GET OVER IT!
Why can't it just be enough to see that this man brings people together? The whole world is celebrating his victory...why do the losers have to try and ruin it?
Because the debate is stupid and baseless, and when people call it stupid, you fan the flames by implying they're sheep for thinking so. Then when people get mad at you for fanning the flames, you put your hands up and say "hey, don't get mad at me bro, I was just posting the facts!" You intentionally post about a dumb debate and then act condescending towards those who call it a dumb debate.
Don't act like you're completely innocent here. Please. :rolleyes: