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IDF caught on camera shooting blindfolded and handcuffed palestinina detainee...

RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
edited July 2008 in A Moving Train
Nice guys...good work. I wonder if they all got service medals for bravery.

http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2008/07/20/israeli-occupation-soldier-shoots-blindfolded-handcuffed-palestinian-detainee/

"An Israeli occupation army soldier earlier this month shot from a close range and injured a handcuffed and blindfolded Palestinian detainee, an Israeli human rights group revealed Sunday.

According to Btselem, the Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territories, the incident took place on 7 July, in Nilin, a village in the central West Bank."
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    This is just a sport for them.
  • DriftingByTheStormDriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Nice guys...good work. I wonder if they all got service medals for bravery.

    http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2008/07/20/israeli-occupation-soldier-shoots-blindfolded-handcuffed-palestinian-detainee/

    "An Israeli occupation army soldier earlier this month shot from a close range and injured a handcuffed and blindfolded Palestinian detainee, an Israeli human rights group revealed Sunday.

    According to Btselem, the Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territories, the incident took place on 7 July, in Nilin, a village in the central West Bank."

    You really will believe just about anything, wont you?
    ;)
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    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    .....And America continues to look the other way.

    Peace
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    You really will believe just about anything, wont you?
    ;)

    aw shucks....

    :D
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,497
    Didn't read the website, but if what you said happened, it is exactly that type of behavior that keeps this issue from moving in a positive direction.

    There have been generations of Israelis taught to hate Palestinians...and generations of Palestinians taught to hate Israelis...they don't even have to know why, it's become instinct.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    cincybearcat wrote:
    There have been generations of Israelis taught to hate Palestinians...and generations of Palestinians taught to hate Israelis...they don't even have to know why, it's become instinct.
    I think when the Palestinian children try to cross a checkpoint to go see a doctor and are refused, they begin to understand what's really going on.
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    _outlaw wrote:
    I think when the Palestinian children try to cross a checkpoint to go see a doctor and are refused, they begin to understand what's really going on.


    That is if they get to be children, or have to witness their baby brother get born on the side of the road at a checkpoint and die...

    I've read more than a few stories now where pregnant women were not allowed to pass or ambulances were shot at to prevent aid from reaching sick, dying, and pregnant citizens.

    imo...the checkpoints are fueling the desperation, humiliation, and the conflict. Treat people as if they are sub human and some will begin to act that way and fulfill the obligation.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,497
    _outlaw wrote:
    I think when the Palestinian children try to cross a checkpoint to go see a doctor and are refused, they begin to understand what's really going on.


    That is awful...but remember, they're making bombs before that.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    cincybearcat wrote:
    That is awful...but remember, they're making bombs before that.

    and the checkpoints are there before they are even born to even get such ideas...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Ever notice this arguement always boils down to which came first, the chicken or the egg?
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    and the checkpoints are there before they are even born to even get such ideas...
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,497
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Ever notice this arguement always boils down to which came first, the chicken or the egg?


    And my point is that they learn to hate before they even know why...so it doesn't matter.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Exactly. Hatfields and McCoys.
    cincybearcat wrote:
    And my point is that they learn to hate before they even know why...so it doesn't matter.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    cincybearcat wrote:
    And my point is that they learn to hate before they even know why...so it doesn't matter.

    Sure it matters. Why do they hate? they are treated like pieces of inhuman garbage..

    The checkpoints reinforce this feeling constantly throughout the day...everywhere...

    prolly wasn't a good idea to displace a million people...put candles on the cake and throw an independance party.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Ever notice this arguement always boils down to which came first, the chicken or the egg?
    Not really. It's pretty simple and unlike a chicken/egg scenario, this conflict is recorded throughout history.

    Did you ever notice how your only defense for ignoring Israel's crimes is singing "why can't we be friends" ??
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Do you ever notice you're justification for continuing the conflict is for the other side to make concessions and for the side you back not take any responsibility in the matter at all?
    _outlaw wrote:
    Not really. It's pretty simple and unlike a chicken/egg scenario, this conflict is recorded throughout history.

    Did you ever notice how your only defense for ignoring Israel's crimes is singing "why can't we be friends" ??
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Do you ever notice you're justification for continuing the conflict is for the other side to make concessions and for the side you back not take any responsibility in the matter at all?
    How am I continuing the conflict? "The other side to make concessions and for the side you back not take any responsibility" is also complete bullshit. Israel is the OCCUPIER. How else do you get peace other than Israel WITHDRAWING FROM OCCUPIED TERRITORY?? It's so simple. Not just that, but Israel is the stronger force in this conflict. THEY HAVE TO END THEIR PRESENCE in the OCCUPIED territory. It's the solution that everyone in the world, other than Israel itself and the US, supports and views logical. I'm not asking for Palestine not to take responsibility, whatever the fuck that means, I'm asking Israel, the occupier, to stop doing its illegal activities, and to agree to the international consensus of moving back to the '67 borders.

    THEN, BOTH people, Palestinians and Israelis can begin SERIOUS negotiations to see what BOTH sides want. However, this can only be achieved when Israel stops illegally occupying land.

    And yet, despite ALL this, you just keep singing...
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Do you ever notice you're justification for continuing the conflict is for the other side to make concessions and for the side you back not take any responsibility in the matter at all?

    in this particular issue - there is no room for neutrality ... it's like the moving train - you have to look at everything that is put in front of you and pick a side ...

    acknowledging each sides transgressions accomplishes nothing but allow the atrocities to continue ... focusing on suicide bombings serves only to distract from the fact that we've had an entire peoples oppressed for far too long ...
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    FiveB247x wrote:
    Do you ever notice you're justification for continuing the conflict is for the other side to make concessions and for the side you back not take any responsibility in the matter at all?


    Britain is ultimately responsible for creating this, but to blame the people already living there for trying to live and protect what they have when outside forces impose and take is pretty messed up.

    It's like blaming the native indians for living in North America. I suppose they were terrorists as well for trying to defend their land from foreign european invaders.

    riiight...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    You just reiterated my point - thank you.
    _outlaw wrote:
    How am I continuing the conflict? "The other side to make concessions and for the side you back not take any responsibility" is also complete bullshit. Israel is the OCCUPIER. How else do you get peace other than Israel WITHDRAWING FROM OCCUPIED TERRITORY?? It's so simple. Not just that, but Israel is the stronger force in this conflict. THEY HAVE TO END THEIR PRESENCE in the OCCUPIED territory. It's the solution that everyone in the world, other than Israel itself and the US, supports and views logical. I'm not asking for Palestine not to take responsibility, whatever the fuck that means, I'm asking Israel, the occupier, to stop doing its illegal activities, and to agree to the international consensus of moving back to the '67 borders.

    THEN, BOTH people, Palestinians and Israelis can begin SERIOUS negotiations to see what BOTH sides want. However, this can only be achieved when Israel stops illegally occupying land.

    And yet, despite ALL this, you just keep singing...
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    All you say is, "israel is guilty in this conflict, palestine is the victim. Palestine is offering a peace plan which puts all the blame and responsibility on israel". How exactly is this a vialbe solution to the conflict between two parties? Fact is, it is not, which is exactly why it only further escalates the problems and conflict rather than fix it. But just keep ignoring that fact and be part of the blame game, and see where it gets you... we're 50 yrs into the conflict.. it hasn't worked yet.
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Britain is ultimately responsible for creating this, but to blame the people already living there for trying to live and protect what they have when outside forces impose and take is pretty messed up.

    It's like blaming the native indians for living in North America. I suppose they were terrorists as well for trying to defend their land from foreign european invaders.

    riiight...
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    FiveB247x wrote:
    All you say is, "israel is guilty in this conflict, palestine is the victim. Palestine is offering a peace plan which puts all the blame and responsibility on israel". How exactly is this a vialbe solution to the conflict between two parties? Fact is, it is not, which is exactly why it only further escalates the problems and conflict rather than fix it. But just keep ignoring that fact and be part of the blame game, and see where it gets you... we're 50 yrs into the conflict.. it hasn't worked yet.


    Uhhh....how bout just stop stealing land...

    For some reason you just can't grasp that reality and what it entails can you?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    The reality you don't want to recognize is that the entire course of actions doesn't fix the problem. Palestine blames Israel, Israel blames Palestine. Each side says they other half have to make concessions to get peace... so where does that leave everything? Continuing down the same path won't create change, which is my point and many other posters point. You are more wrapped up in what the other half should be doing or pointing blame, compared to a realistic solution to the problem. Merely saying group x is wrong and the instagator doesn't fix the problem.
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Uhhh....how bout just stop stealing land...

    For some reason you just can't grasp that reality and what it entails can you?
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,497
    I wonder how long this is going to go on.

    Is the discussion about peace in the region?

    or, is it about attaching blame?

    Blaming won't solve a thing. Like Five has said...they've tried it for 50 years, no results.

    If you keep doing what you've always done, you'll get the results you've always got.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    It's very obvious, those who are blaming the other half, are more concerned with attaching blame in order to gain peace, where as many others who are trying to create a peace, are smart enough to recognize if you continue down the same path, things won't change.
    cincybearcat wrote:
    I wonder how long this is going to go on.

    Is the discussion about peace in the region?

    or, is it about attaching blame?

    Blaming won't solve a thing. Like Five has said...they've tried it for 50 years, no results.

    If you keep doing what you've always done, you'll get the results you've always got.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    FiveB247x wrote:
    The reality you don't want to recognize is that the entire course of actions doesn't fix the problem. Palestine blames Israel, Israel blames Palestine. Each side says they other half have to make concessions to get peace... so where does that leave everything? Continuing down the same path won't create change, which is my point and many other posters point. You are more wrapped up in what the other half should be doing or pointing blame, compared to a realistic solution to the problem. Merely saying group x is wrong and the instagator doesn't fix the problem.


    and Israel is still taking land...50 years later...

    hello.... stop stealing land.

    remember that part?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,497
    polaris wrote:
    in this particular issue - there is no room for neutrality ... it's like the moving train - you have to look at everything that is put in front of you and pick a side ...

    acknowledging each sides transgressions accomplishes nothing but allow the atrocities to continue ... focusing on suicide bombings serves only to distract from the fact that we've had an entire peoples oppressed for far too long ...


    So, you're either with us or against us???? Where'd I hear that before?
    hippiemom = goodness
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    FiveB247x wrote:
    It's very obvious, those who are blaming the other half, are more concerned with attaching blame in order to gain peace, where as many others who are trying to create a peace, are smart enough to recognize if you continue down the same path, things won't change.


    How bout stop stealing land that isn't yours...and perhaps give some back that has been taken ongoing over the past 50 years.!!??

    hey...there's a positive change moving towards a solution

    fuck me! Why did I think of that?!
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

    (\__/)
    ( o.O)
    (")_(")
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,497
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    How bout stop stealing land that isn't yours...and perhaps give some back that has been taken ongoing over the past 50 years.!!??

    hey...there's a positive change moving towards a solution

    fuck me! Why did I think of that?!


    I believe you are correct in that is where the process should start...
    hippiemom = goodness
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    I've made it very clear that both sides need to make many adjustments to actions and policies. Once EACH SIDE does this or begins to do so, a peace plan can be worked out which benefit BOTH SIDES.
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    How bout stop stealing land that isn't yours...and perhaps give some back that has been taken ongoing over the past 50 years.!!??

    hey...there's a positive change moving towards a solution

    fuck me! Why did I think of that?!
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    FiveB247x wrote:
    I've made it very clear that both sides need to make many adjustments to actions and policies. Once EACH SIDE does this or begins to do so, a peace plan can be worked out which benefit BOTH SIDES.

    And that starts with Israel. They are the ones stealing the land.

    no brainer...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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    (")_(")
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