Interspecies Sex: Evolution's Hidden Secret?

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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    know1 wrote:
    I don't understand the bible comment, but I'm sure it's some childish, back-handed slap at religion......again.

    This isn't exactly startling news. It was 2 fairly similar bears. It's not like a cat impregnated a canary or something. We see similar things with dogs all the time.

    people have been hybridizing plants and animals for centuries.
    just another poke at religion like you said.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    tybird wrote:
    Your link has gone south on 'ya........in other words, it ain't working no more.

    Maybe it mated with another link and a new species of link was born.
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  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    The bear example in the original posted article is kind of misleading. The development of new species by hybridizing is being noted in fish and insects, two types of animals that may produce multiple generations of offspring in a calendar year. Reptiles, amphibians, birds and mammals generally only produce offspring once a year or even less frequently. Sexual maturity in the "higher" animals may also take years of development as opposed to what is seen in insects and in some cases, fish.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    gue_barium wrote:
    Maybe it mated with another link and a new species of link was born.
    We will need to see some sort of field data before we reach that conclusion. :D
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • nick1977
    nick1977 Posts: 327
    Does this mean a human can procreate with a sheep?
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    gue_barium wrote:
    Oh yeah. I just remembered: a family that bathes together, stays together.

    The horror, the horror.

    Why did the family always wash the baby last? The water was so dirty and murky by that time....hence the saying don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

    Oh boy...ass soup!
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    nick1977 wrote:
    Does this mean a human can procreate with a sheep?

    someone leaked an inside tip...and it's probably why the farmers keep trying for hours at a time.
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  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    nick1977 wrote:
    Does this mean a human can procreate with a sheep?
    (insert your favorite despised location here)....where men are men...and the sheep are afraid. :D
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    onelongsong wrote:
    people have been hybridizing plants and animals for centuries.
    just another poke at religion like you said.

    National Geographic must be at it again...athiests...
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    National Geographic must be at it again...athiests...
    No, I agree, it was an inappropriately placed poke at religion.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    gue_barium wrote:
    No, I agree, it was an inappropriately placed poke at religion.

    A coin isn't much good unless it has 2 sides.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    A coin isn't much good unless it has 2 sides.

    There are childish aspects to people's interpretions of the bible, but ignorance of science and nature isn't the prevalent one here on the AMT.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    gue_barium wrote:
    There are childish aspects to people's interpretions of the bible, but ignorance of science and nature isn't the prevalent one here on the AMT.


    I guess it's because the religious have had nothing more to go on for a couple thousand years. Scientists make a habit of being proved wrong and offer their highest respect to those who prove them wrong. Religious types get their panties all in a bunch and eventually wars start.
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I guess it's because the religious have had nothing more to go on for a couple thousand years. Scientists make a habit of being proved wrong and offer their highest respect to those who prove them wrong. Religious types get their panties all in a bunch and eventually wars start.

    So how was the particular example given (the bears) disproving anything about religion?
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    What happens when a Buddhist and a Mormon get it on?
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    What happens when a Buddhist and a Mormon get it on?

    God kills a puppy?
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  • gue_barium
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    tybird wrote:
    The bear example in the original posted article is kind of misleading. The development of new species by hybridizing is being noted in fish and insects, two types of animals that may produce multiple generations of offspring in a calendar year. Reptiles, amphibians, birds and mammals generally only produce offspring once a year or even less frequently. Sexual maturity in the "higher" animals may also take years of development as opposed to what is seen in insects and in some cases, fish.

    Right, this is just one bear, I think. The leopard example is more telling of a species.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    know1 wrote:
    So how was the particular example given (the bears) disproving anything about religion?


    At present there is no proving or disproving anything re science/religion either way. It's an entirely circular and endless argument.

    However I don't have cleave open and take huge whiff of a 700lb man's buttcrack to know it probably won't smell like flowers and cotton candy.

    But who knows...I don't necessarily make a habit out of it. That's just it nobody knows for sure. We may never know for sure.
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  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    gue_barium wrote:
    Right, this is just one bear, I think. The leopard example is more telling of a species.
    The splitting of the leopard species is just evolutionary divergence.....not really a new theory or way of looking at things. Both Wallace's and Darwin's theories regarding evolution were developed by looking at divergences caused by geographic separation. The new species of Clouded Leopard is similar to the finches that Darwin studied on the Galapagos islands. They both were a member of the mainland species at one point in history, but became separated from the origin population but moving to or getting stuck on an island. Throughout the generations, the island species diverged from the origin species as it became better adapted to living in its new home, the island. The origin species did not make the same adaptations because it was residing on the mainland.

    This follows under a field of biology known as biogeograpy. Interesting stuff, especially when islands are examined. There is an excellent book out on the subject by David Quammen titled "Song of the Dodo."
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    tybird wrote:
    The splitting of the leopard species is just evolutionary divergence.....not really a new theory or way of looking at things. Both Wallace's and Darwin's theories regarding evolution were developed by looking at divergences caused by geographic separation. The new species of Clouded Leopard is similar to the finches that Darwin studied on the Galapagos islands. They both were a member of the mainland species at one point in history, but became separated from the origin population but moving to or getting stuck on an island. Throughout the generations, the island species diverged from the origin species as it became better adapted to living in its new home, the island. The origin species did not make the same adaptations because it was residing on the mainland.

    This follows under a field of biology known as biogeograpy. Interesting stuff, especially when islands are examined. There is an excellent book out on the subject by David Quammen titled "Song of the Dodo."

    Biogeography=Environment, so the fact that polar and grizzly bears are meeting in places they historically hadn't been, could point to Global Warming.
    Just a different take on it.

    Thanks for your info, though. Keep it coming. We need more educated posts like yours.
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