Interspecies Sex: Evolution's Hidden Secret?
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baraka wrote:Was this pic taken in captivity? I'm not sure if a tiger & lion 'cross paths' very much in the wild, if at all.All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.0
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tybird wrote:I suspect that the size of the eastern coyote may be the result of some cross-breeding with domestic dogs (large breeds of course), and the fact that in the east the coyote is the apex predator in many areas. It lacks serious competition for food, thus probably grows to a greater size. I have not heard of any research that has separated the U.S. coyote into two species. Many folks are still debating whether the Florida Panther actually deserves its current status as a species.
No, the difference would have been well in place before large-breed domestic dogs arrived. Wolves and coyotes are distinct and similar and though they both breed with domestics, the Eastern and Western coyote distinction that I mention seems to be of a wolf-coyote hybrid from before we know how to think of.
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gue_barium wrote:No, the difference would have been well in place before large-breed domestic dogs arrived. Wolves and coyotes are distinct and similar and though they both breed with domestics, the Eastern and Western coyote distinction that I mention seems to be of a wolf-coyote hybrid from before we know how to think of.All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.0
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tybird wrote:Interesting.....I do know that there is crossing with dogs here in the east. I thought that the eastern coyote was a recent thing......mostly migration from the west and southwest.
You might have something there. You just jogged my brain. The coyote was pretty much extinct east of the Mississippi there for awhile, I think. The comeback has been something to behold.
Well, domestic dogs or not, they kept the look.
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tybird wrote:No, the Clouded Leopard has always been a distinct species. It is now two distinct species according to the posted article.
I see, there are 2 distinct species of clouded leopard now, a new species separate from the Asian species.tybird wrote:Can only cross paths in the Gir Forest region of India......last bastion of the Asiatic Lion. I have never heard of cross breeding in the wild. The social structures of the two species in the wild are very different. Lions are social animals, while Tigers are not.
That's what I thought. I was also going to mention the social structures, the tiger is more of a 'loner'. I don't think I've ever read of interbreeding except in captivity, as well. You are very knowledgeable in the subject!The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
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baraka wrote:I see, there are 2 distinct species of clouded leopard now, a new species separate from the Asian species.
That's what I thought. I was also going to mention the social structures, the tiger is more of a 'loner'. I don't think I've ever read of interbreeding except in captivity, as well. You are very knowledgeable in the subject!
The Tiger is the only species I've ever seen that can get away with psychosis. They are God's own in the category of natural selection. Those eyes.
Edit: oops.
i was going to say something about those clouded leopards you posted. yes they are beautiful creatures.
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gue_barium wrote:You might have something there. You just jogged my brain. The coyote was pretty much extinct east of the Mississippi there for awhile, I think. The comeback has been something to behold.
Well, domestic dogs or not, they kept the look.
As to the movement east of coyote, I read a few years back that they have now moved into Smoky Mountain National Park, and because they got there on their on, the park service was not going to attempt to remove them from the park like they are trying to do with the feral hogs.
I can remember time when you did not see or hear of coyotes in Alabama. I have seen both them and the armadillo move in from the west during my lifetime.All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.0 -
baraka wrote:That's what I thought. I was also going to mention the social structures, the tiger is more of a 'loner'. I don't think I've ever read of interbreeding except in captivity, as well. You are very knowledgeable in the subject!
Thank you for noticing........I'm a old biology student studying to be a field researcher or professor one day.All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.0 -
tybird wrote:
I can remember time when you did not see or hear of coyotes in Alabama. I have seen both them and the armadillo move in from the west during my lifetime.
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gue_barium wrote:I saw the same thing happen in Southern Minnesota with the coyotes. A little chilly for armadillos.All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.0
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gue_barium wrote:I saw the same thing happen in Southern Minnesota with the coyotes. A little chilly for armadillos.
Let me put it this way: at age 19 I heard a pack of wolves howling not very far away from my tent in northern Minnesota on a trip with my little brother. It went on so long (there was a moose for the feast, best we could reckon, and that fucker sounded like it was gonna crash our tent)...it went for a couple of hours. We took a watch out and measured our pulses which were bounding.
It had to have been 12 years later in the southern part of the state that I heard a pack of coyotes howling for the first time there.
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gue_barium wrote:The Tiger is the only species I've ever seen that can get away with psychosis. They are God's own in the category of natural selection. Those eyes.
Edit: oops.
i was going to say something about those clouded leopards you posted. yes they are beautiful creatures.
Aren't they!? And I love those tiger eyes too!
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f207/baraka1/tigereyes.jpgThe greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
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baraka wrote:Aren't they!? And I love those tiger eyes too!
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f207/baraka1/tigereyes.jpg
hehee.
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tybird wrote:
Thank you for noticing........I'm a old biology student studying to be a field researcher or professor one day.
You retain information well! Biology was always a minor for me (actually at Samford & UAB) and I took a few zoology courses, but I always need a refresher for those things I learned that I no longer 'practice'. I'm a bit more of a chemistry nerd
I have a feeling you'd make an excellent professor!The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
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gue_barium wrote:that scares me.
hehee.
Big cats can be scary! I had the pleasure of working at the Memphis zoo while I was finishing up my degree. I got to collect specimens and perform minor microbiology testing on the big cats. Unfortunately, I didn't get to get close up to the tigers & lions, only the 'medium-size' cats, like panthers & leopards. And those cats were nice & sedated by the time I got to them.The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein0 -
baraka wrote:Big cats can be scary! I had the pleasure of working at the Memphis zoo while I was finishing up my degree. I got to collect specimens and perform minor microbiology testing on the big cats. Unfortunately, I didn't get to get close up to the tigers & lions, only the 'medium-size' cats, like panthers & leopards. And those cats were nice & sedated by the time I got to them.
Oh my, you replied.
What do you do?
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baraka wrote:You retain information well! Biology was always a minor for me (actually at Samford & UAB) and I took a few zoology courses, but I always need a refresher for those things I learned that I no longer 'practice'. I'm a bit more of a chemistry nerd
I have a feeling you'd make an excellent professor!
Samford....from where my wife has a Nursing bachelors degree plus a law degree from the Cumberland School of Law. She is now a practicing attorney.
Currently, I am at Birmingham-Southern studying Biology.All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.0 -
baraka wrote:Big cats can be scary! I had the pleasure of working at the Memphis zoo while I was finishing up my degree. I got to collect specimens and perform minor microbiology testing on the big cats. Unfortunately, I didn't get to get close up to the tigers & lions, only the 'medium-size' cats, like panthers & leopards. And those cats were nice & sedated by the time I got to them.All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.0
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gue_barium wrote:Oh my, you replied.
What do you do?
Yes, I replied, but only to prevent you from talking to yourself.The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
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baraka wrote:Yes, I replied, but only to prevent you from talking to yourself.
i really don't care what you do, but,
we should go to the gabbly.
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