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Interspecies Sex: Evolution's Hidden Secret?

RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
edited March 2007 in A Moving Train
Quick...grab your bibles

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/03/070314-hybrids.html
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • ezekiels_oblivionezekiels_oblivion Posts: 200
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Quick...grab your bibles

    gosh how you have just made me lough, lol
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    cuando yo te vi
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    ademas me muero por ti
  • enharmonicenharmonic Posts: 1,917
    Sweet...so animals and insects like to get some strange every now and again too?

    I suddenly don't feel so alone in this world :D
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  • Pearl Jam and toastPearl Jam and toast Posts: 4,475
    Fascinating o.0
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Most of the time they are sterile like the mule. This is an interesting find. Thanks. :)
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  • barakabaraka Posts: 1,268
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Most of the time they are sterile like the mule. This is an interesting find. Thanks. :)

    This is true.

    Here is something interesting my sister sent me. Not an interspecies animal, but a new species of cat. Very interesting & a very beautiful animal.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6452555.stm
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    but the illusion of knowledge.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    baraka wrote:
    This is true.

    Here is something interesting my sister sent me. Not an interspecies animal, but a new species of cat. Very interesting & a very beautiful animal.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6452555.stm

    That's a beautiful cat.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,050
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Quick...grab your bibles

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/03/070314-hybrids.html

    Hmmn...sounds like someone got drunk and did something they shouldn't have last night and is looking for reassurance.
  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    baraka wrote:
    This is true.

    Here is something interesting my sister sent me. Not an interspecies animal, but a new species of cat. Very interesting & a very beautiful animal.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6452555.stm

    Awesome! I think big cats are cool.
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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Hmmn...sounds like someone got drunk and did something they shouldn't have last night and is looking for reassurance.

    um...yeah...that's it...3 bottles of lube, a 24, and a herd of sheep.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    baraka wrote:
    This is true.

    Here is something interesting my sister sent me. Not an interspecies animal, but a new species of cat. Very interesting & a very beautiful animal.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6452555.stm

    There's a house cat version similar to this. Apparently they enjoy playing in water and also like going for rides in the car as if they were dogs. Funky cat.

    http://images.google.ca/images?q=bengal%20house%20cats&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    I don't understand the bible comment, but I'm sure it's some childish, back-handed slap at religion......again.

    This isn't exactly startling news. It was 2 fairly similar bears. It's not like a cat impregnated a canary or something. We see similar things with dogs all the time.
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  • barakabaraka Posts: 1,268
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    There's a house cat version similar to this. Apparently they enjoy playing in water and also like going for rides in the car as if they were dogs. Funky cat.

    http://images.google.ca/images?q=bengal%20house%20cats&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi

    My cat LOVES car rides. He has traveled everywhere with us.
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    but the illusion of knowledge.
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  • Dustin51Dustin51 Posts: 222
    It's pretty much my favorite animal. It's like a lion and a tiger mixed... bred for its skills in magic.
    Be excellent to each other
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    baraka wrote:
    This is true.

    Here is something interesting my sister sent me. Not an interspecies animal, but a new species of cat. Very interesting & a very beautiful animal.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6452555.stm
    Thanks for the link........always interested in the secretive and rare Clouded Leopard. A split in the species similar to this action occurs on a regular basis in regards to species of birds.....for instance one of the sub-species of Canada Goose is now officially a new species, the Cackling Goose.
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Kind of interesting. I was going to mention the Liger, but somebody already did. I know that grizzlies and black bears sometimes interbreed, and wolves and coyotes. The eastern coyote is much larger than it's western counterpart, and this is probably a result of the same sort thing. I don't know that those coyotes have been genetically identified as 2 distinct species, but they probably are.
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    Go Tigon!

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  • barakabaraka Posts: 1,268
    tybird wrote:
    Thanks for the link........always interested in the secretive and rare Clouded Leopard. A split in the species similar to this action occurs on a regular basis in regards to species of birds.....for instance one of the sub-species of Canada Goose is now officially a new species, the Cackling Goose.

    The Cackling Goose, eh? Very cool.

    Yeah, I love cats, so the clouded leopard was always a favorite, I guess it was recently they deemed it a new/different species. Very interesting.
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    but the illusion of knowledge.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    gue_barium wrote:
    Kind of interesting. I was going to mention the Liger, but somebody already did. I know that grizzlies and black bears sometimes interbreed, and wolves and coyotes. The eastern coyote is much larger than it's western counterpart, and this is probably a result of the same sort thing. I don't know that those coyotes have been genetically identified as 2 distinct species, but they probably are.
    I suspect that the size of the eastern coyote may be the result of some cross-breeding with domestic dogs (large breeds of course), and the fact that in the east the coyote is the apex predator in many areas. It lacks serious competition for food, thus probably grows to a greater size. I have not heard of any research that has separated the U.S. coyote into two species. Many folks are still debating whether the Florida Panther actually deserves its current status as a species.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • barakabaraka Posts: 1,268
    Collin wrote:
    Go Tigon!

    http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/8295/3836837cj.jpg

    The Lioness in the background looks offended :D.

    Was this pic taken in captivity? I'm not sure if a tiger & lion 'cross paths' very much in the wild, if at all.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    baraka wrote:
    The Cackling Goose, eh? Very cool.

    Yeah, I love cats, so the clouded leopard was always a favorite, I guess it was recently they deemed it a new/different species. Very interesting.
    No, the Clouded Leopard has always been a distinct species. It is now two distinct species according to the posted article.

    Cackling Goose is a cool.....I have never seen one. Folks tell me that it looks a miniature Canada Goose, no bigger than a duck.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    baraka wrote:
    Was this pic taken in captivity? I'm not sure if a tiger & lion 'cross paths' very much in the wild, if at all.
    Can only cross paths in the Gir Forest region of India......last bastion of the Asiatic Lion. I have never heard of cross breeding in the wild. The social structures of the two species in the wild are very different. Lions are social animals, while Tigers are not.
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    tybird wrote:
    I suspect that the size of the eastern coyote may be the result of some cross-breeding with domestic dogs (large breeds of course), and the fact that in the east the coyote is the apex predator in many areas. It lacks serious competition for food, thus probably grows to a greater size. I have not heard of any research that has separated the U.S. coyote into two species. Many folks are still debating whether the Florida Panther actually deserves its current status as a species.

    No, the difference would have been well in place before large-breed domestic dogs arrived. Wolves and coyotes are distinct and similar and though they both breed with domestics, the Eastern and Western coyote distinction that I mention seems to be of a wolf-coyote hybrid from before we know how to think of.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    gue_barium wrote:
    No, the difference would have been well in place before large-breed domestic dogs arrived. Wolves and coyotes are distinct and similar and though they both breed with domestics, the Eastern and Western coyote distinction that I mention seems to be of a wolf-coyote hybrid from before we know how to think of.
    Interesting.....I do know that there is crossing with dogs here in the east. I thought that the eastern coyote was a recent thing......mostly migration from the west and southwest.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    tybird wrote:
    Interesting.....I do know that there is crossing with dogs here in the east. I thought that the eastern coyote was a recent thing......mostly migration from the west and southwest.

    You might have something there. You just jogged my brain. The coyote was pretty much extinct east of the Mississippi there for awhile, I think. The comeback has been something to behold.
    Well, domestic dogs or not, they kept the look.
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  • barakabaraka Posts: 1,268
    tybird wrote:
    No, the Clouded Leopard has always been a distinct species. It is now two distinct species according to the posted article.


    I see, there are 2 distinct species of clouded leopard now, a new species separate from the Asian species.


    tybird wrote:
    Can only cross paths in the Gir Forest region of India......last bastion of the Asiatic Lion. I have never heard of cross breeding in the wild. The social structures of the two species in the wild are very different. Lions are social animals, while Tigers are not.

    That's what I thought. I was also going to mention the social structures, the tiger is more of a 'loner'. I don't think I've ever read of interbreeding except in captivity, as well. You are very knowledgeable in the subject!
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    baraka wrote:
    I see, there are 2 distinct species of clouded leopard now, a new species separate from the Asian species.





    That's what I thought. I was also going to mention the social structures, the tiger is more of a 'loner'. I don't think I've ever read of interbreeding except in captivity, as well. You are very knowledgeable in the subject!

    The Tiger is the only species I've ever seen that can get away with psychosis. They are God's own in the category of natural selection. Those eyes.

    Edit: oops.

    i was going to say something about those clouded leopards you posted. yes they are beautiful creatures.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    gue_barium wrote:
    You might have something there. You just jogged my brain. The coyote was pretty much extinct east of the Mississippi there for awhile, I think. The comeback has been something to behold.
    Well, domestic dogs or not, they kept the look.
    Most, really to some degree all were, of the potential apex predators were driven to extinction in the east in the post-Columbian era.....panthers (except for the Florida species in southern Florida), wolves and probably the coyote. There is huge debate among the zoological/biological community about the current existence of the panther in the east. Some say that there are no "native", non-introduced, panthers in the east outside of south Florida. Some argue for a small and secretive population. I believe that the Fish & Wildlife service has undertaken a project in an attempt to answer this question.

    As to the movement east of coyote, I read a few years back that they have now moved into Smoky Mountain National Park, and because they got there on their on, the park service was not going to attempt to remove them from the park like they are trying to do with the feral hogs.

    I can remember time when you did not see or hear of coyotes in Alabama. I have seen both them and the armadillo move in from the west during my lifetime.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    baraka wrote:
    That's what I thought. I was also going to mention the social structures, the tiger is more of a 'loner'. I don't think I've ever read of interbreeding except in captivity, as well. You are very knowledgeable in the subject!
    Yes, the tiger is a loner. The male and female only interact positively when it is breeding season. Any other time, a fight will ensue. The female raises cubs on her own. This structure is basically identical to that seen in Polar Bears. Both Polar Bear and Tiger males will eat their own young, if they encounter them, and they are hungry.

    Thank you for noticing........I'm a old biology student studying to be a field researcher or professor one day.
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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    tybird wrote:

    I can remember time when you did not see or hear of coyotes in Alabama. I have seen both them and the armadillo move in from the west during my lifetime.
    I saw the same thing happen in Southern Minnesota with the coyotes. A little chilly for armadillos.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    gue_barium wrote:
    I saw the same thing happen in Southern Minnesota with the coyotes. A little chilly for armadillos.
    Ha ha.....yeah the snow might make life tough on the 'dillers....but watch out with Global warming, you might wake up one morning and say,"Where the hell did all these holes in my yard come from?"
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
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