If you were involved in a conspiracy, how much would it take for you to keep silent ?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Say for example you did some work for the government, and then realized you're were embroiled in a conspiracy where something very terrible happened, and a lot of people died?

You're already working for the government in either a military capacity, or as a contractor, or hold position in office.

You are approached by a rather deadly serious group individuals from the FBI, CIA on more than a few occasions. You may even be told to go somewhere with them and witness a crime (murder or be involved unknowingly in drug trafficking) of which you are now told you may go to jail for the rest of your life if you get any ideas that go against national security, and some members of your family might not live so long if you get the bright idea to waste your time going public, where everyone will call you crazy anyways, and your life (and entire families reputation) will be destroyed. Also none of what you say will ever get into the media..

As well...the amount of hatred directed towards you (and your family) for the rest of your lives will probably make you want to kill yourself.

Now...would you talk or keep silent?

South of Seattle

I'd get plastic surgery and move to Bali.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Almost forgot.

Money is also deposited knowingly by you into your bank account, which has ties to criminal activity making you an accomplice...your word against theirs.

If you decide you don't like being wealthy for some reason, you will get completely obliterated in court in a game of he said/she said should you decide to try to prove anything. This money is tied to illegal activity that took place, of which you were present at the time, and there is evidence of that linking you to the crime.

In a nutshell you've been setup in ways you cannot imagine by the most powerful people you will ever meet.

So....your ass is grass, or you enjoy the money, and your life outside of jail, and try to forget......or do you go on a crusade of rapid self destruction?

?


also there is no hiding from these people....and they can spy on you at will... and very easily now. So you get about three feet off the starting line, and your race is over.

Heineken Helen

what have you done Roland? :cool:

mammasan

If my envolvement contributed to the death of innocent people I would be spilling my guts to anyone who would listen.

my2hands

mammasan wrote:

If my envolvement contributed to the death of innocent people I would be spilling my guts to anyone who would listen.

and this has happened plenty of times throughout the course of history...

Daniel Ellsburg and the Pentagon Papers come to mind... as does Peter Buxtun whistleblowing on the Tuskegee Study

Heineken Helen

I dunno... I'm not gonna get my family killed... I guess I'd sit low for a while til the right opportunity came up.

mammasan

my2hands wrote:

and this has happened plenty of times throughout the course of history...

Daniel Ellsburg and the Pentagon Papers come to mind... as does Peter Buxtun whistleblowing on the Tuskegee Study

Let's not forget Deep Throat. Someone always comes forth especially in a large operation.

my2hands

mammasan wrote:

Let's not forget Deep Throat. Someone always comes forth especially in a large operation.

how about all the tell all books that copme out from former cia operatives and administration officials... who was the dude that blew the cover off of the bush administration wanting to go into iraq asap? i cant rememeber his name

Robert McNamara's documentary "Fog of War" was amazing and gave great insight as to why the bomb was not needed against japan for usrrender... it also gave great insight into the Johnson white house during vietnam

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

If my envolvement contributed to the death of innocent people I would be spilling my guts to anyone who would listen.

Sure you would...

RolandTD20Kdrummer

You guys are kidding yourselves. Look at the magnitude. Look at the implications.

Even still it won't do a damn bit of good. You'd just be labeled another truther that's crazy out their minds...

little slice of reality right there for ya

RolandTD20Kdrummer

my2hands wrote:

and this has happened plenty of times throughout the course of history...

Daniel Ellsburg and the Pentagon Papers come to mind... as does Peter Buxtun whistleblowing on the Tuskegee Study

lemme guess you just used these examples to validate the exact same thing for 9/11

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

Let's not forget Deep Throat. Someone always comes forth especially in a large operation.

and how many years did that take?

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Sure you would...

Maybe it's because I'm 10x the man you can ever hope of becoming but I would not sit idly by knowing that I was party of a conspiracy that resulted in the death of innocent people. Some of us actually stand up and act upon our beliefs while other ramble on about conspiracies on the internet.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

Maybe it's because I'm 10x the man you can ever hope of becoming but I would not sit idly by knowing that I was party of a conspiracy that resulted in the death of innocent people. Some of us actually stand up and act upon our beliefs while other ramble on about conspiracies on the internet.

that was pathetic....grow up.

Nevermind

$250,000 in an offshore bank account and maybe a good gurd connection.

yoke

I wouldn't say a damn thing. First off I didn't do anything wrong so I would not feel guilty about anything. If they wanted to pay me and large sum of money to shut up then I would. I would not put my families life in danger for any reason.

Collin

That's how it went in Eastern European countries during Communism. It wasn't about conspiracies, though. But they forced people to lie in court or they'd loose their jobs, or even their property. They threw people in jail for nothing and there was nothing you could do. They forced you to betray your friends and even family in some cases. They'd give your children education if you agreed, they'd be allowed more things. And if you didn't comply they took away your job, or your home... They'd pin a crime on you and people would either hate you or they'd avoid you because the same fate was waiting for them if they'd talk to you.

So you might want to stand by your principles but if you have a family and children, you might want to stand by them and not drag them into extreme poverty, especially if you know your claims will not be taken seriously.

It's a difficult situation, that's for sure.

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

that was pathetic....grow up.

You love to dish it out but when someone throws it back at you, you can't handle it. Absolutely spineless and sad.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

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RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

You love to dish it out but when someone throws it back at you, you can't handle it. Absolutely spineless and sad.

No actually, what you said was truly childish and immature. Chest thumping....apes do it. Rather disappointing to witness.

I can take it plenty, and I have.

my2hands

is Skeletor in on it?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

my2hands wrote:

is Skeletor in on it?

It's never really a good conspiracy without a little He-man action in there somewhere.

But, to answer your question....yes...Donald Rumsfeld...present and accounted for.

tell me there isn't a striking resemblance.

Cosmo

You can keep a lot of people quiet on certain things... such as Black Programs in the Defense Industry. For almost a decade, the Stealth Fighter program was in the black. There were rumours of it... but even the best aerospace analysts that were outside the program had no idea what the actual plane would look like or be capable of doing. It was all speculation.
The difference between this and your scenario is that the people involved are devoted to the program and the nation. If the program resulted in the deaths of innocent office workers... it would have been almost impossible to keep a lid on it. Even if it meant criminal prosecution for violating a security clearance... criminal acts, such as murder, take a higher priority in most people's minds.

sweetpotato

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Say for example you did some work for the government, and then realized you're were embroiled in a conspiracy where something very terrible happened, and a lot of people died?

You're already working for the government in either a military capacity, or as a contractor, or hold position in office.

You are approached by a rather deadly serious group individuals from the FBI, CIA on more than a few occasions. You may even be told to go somewhere with them and witness a crime (murder or be involved unknowingly in drug trafficking) of which you are now told you may go to jail for the rest of your life if you get any ideas that go against national security, and some members of your family might not live so long if you get the bright idea to waste your time going public, where everyone will call you crazy anyways, and your life (and entire families reputation) will be destroyed. Also none of what you say will ever get into the media..

As well...the amount of hatred directed towards you (and your family) for the rest of your lives will probably make you want to kill yourself.

Now...would you talk or keep silent?

Sounds like a Bourne sequel. "Bourne Stupidity"? You can have top billing.

Abookamongstthemany

Cosmo wrote:

You can keep a lot of people quiet on certain things... such as Black Programs in the Defense Industry. For almost a decade, the Stealth Fighter program was in the black. There were rumours of it... but even the best aerospace analysts that were outside the program had no idea what the actual plane would look like or be capable of doing. It was all speculation.
The difference between this and your scenario is that the people involved are devoted to the program and the nation. If the program resulted in the deaths of innocent office workers... it would have been almost impossible to keep a lid on it. Even if it meant criminal prosecution for violating a security clearance... criminal acts, such as murder, take a higher priority in most people's minds.

Thank you for being able to disagree without resorting to childish insults. It really speaks to your maturity level and confidence in your ability to make your points.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

sweetpotato wrote:

Sounds like a Bourne sequel. "Bourne Stupidity"? You can have top billing.

Bourne Naivety

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Thank you for being able to disagree without resorting to childish insults. It really speaks to your maturity level and confidence in your ability to make your points.

It's a dying art...

sweetpotato

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

It's a dying art...

which you two think you've perfected, no doubt.

"At its heart, 9/11 Truth is a conceit, a narcissistic pipe dream for a dingbat, sheeplike population that is pleased to imagine itself dangerous and ungovernable. Rather than admit to their own powerlessness and irrelevance, or admit that they've spent the last fifty years or so electing leaders who openly handed their tax money to business cronies and golfed in Scotland while middle America's jobs were being sent overseas, the adherents to 9/11 Truth instead flatter themselves with fantasies about a ruling class obsessed with keeping the terrible truth from the watchful, exacting eye of The People."

RolandTD20Kdrummer

sweetpotato wrote:

which you two think you've perfected, no doubt.

"At its heart, 9/11 Truth is a conceit, a narcissistic pipe dream for a dingbat, sheeplike population that is pleased to imagine itself dangerous and ungovernable. Rather than admit to their own powerlessness and irrelevance, or admit that they've spent the last fifty years or so electing leaders who openly handed their tax money to business cronies and golfed in Scotland while middle America's jobs were being sent overseas, the adherents to 9/11 Truth instead flatter themselves with fantasies about a ruling class obsessed with keeping the terrible truth from the watchful, exacting eye of The People."

Bush is telling us the truth. Governments are not corrupt. Especially in the past 30 years.

of course....

Obey your leader...do as he tells you...all will be fine. your rights are useless anyways.

There's a term for that.

my2hands

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Thank you for being able to disagree without resorting to childish insults. It really speaks to your maturity level and confidence in your ability to make your points.

this coming from the person that called me a "stupid retard" several times via pm last week :rolleyes: