Nicolas Sarkozy plans to bypass Irish no vote

nobody

lgt wrote:

We should also ensure to make comments in our own native languages to ensure proper EU-conformity!

lieber nich...;)

m.

lgt

good night, gute nacht, bonne nuit, buenas noches, buonanotte... my Gaelic is a bit rusty though!

It's been fun!

Rhinocerous Surprise

lgt wrote:

good night, gute nacht, bonne nuit, buenas noches, buonanotte... my Gaelic is a bit rusty though!

It's been fun!

Oíche mhaith.

And yes it has!

nobody

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

Oíche mhaith.

And yes it has!

agreed:)
m.

Rhinocerous Surprise

Hehehe...

"Well, Ireland, it's been fun...



Now seriously, get the fuck outta the EU."

Heineken Helen

this is all far too civilised for my liking :rolleyes:

nobody

Heineken Helen wrote:

this is all far too civilised for my liking :rolleyes:

well, check out the other threat then;)
it has everything...nazis, jesus, polls, fascists;)

m.

JordyWordy

lgt wrote:

We should also ensure to make comments in our own native languages to ensure proper EU-conformity!

shit my Irish is terrible......but i still feel strongly that it should be a recognized EU language!

ill post in french instead...

Heineken Helen

JordyWordy wrote:

shit my Irish is terrible......but i still feel strongly that it should be a recognized EU language!

ill post in french instead...

On another note... that's a couple of times now it's been mentioned about speaking native languages in the parliament. Was it a big deal in other countries when we made a point of Irish being an official language?

nobody

Heineken Helen wrote:

On another note... that's a couple of times now it's been mentioned about speaking native languages in the parliament. Was it a big deal in other countries when we made a point of Irish being an official language?

guess nobody really cares what language you speak in the parliament...
have never heard any debate...

m.

lgt

nobody wrote:

guess nobody really cares what language you speak in the parliament...
have never heard any debate...

m.

When a language becomes an official EU language it means that all EU documentation MUST be translatated in that language as well.

Can't remember how many official languages there are now!

And yes, I also have not heard much debate/issue about Gaelic.

Rhinocerous Surprise

lgt wrote:

When a language becomes an official EU language it means that all EU documentation MUST be translatated in that language as well.

Can't remember how many official languages there are now!

And yes, I also have not heard much debate/issue about Gaelic.

I'm not even sure how I feel about the Irish language. Part of me thinks, of course it shoud be an officially recognised language.

Another part of me remembers how utterly awful it was learning it for 14 years in school.

lgt

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

I'm not even sure how I feel about the Irish language. Part of me thinks, of course it shoud be an officially recognised language.

Another part of me remembers how utterly awful it was learning it for 14 years in school.

Are Irish people in general fluent in both?

For instance, in Wales everything is in dual language and English for many is the second, not primary language.

Rhinocerous Surprise

lgt wrote:

Are Irish people in general fluent in both?

For instance, in Wales everything is in dual language and English for many is the second, not primary language.

Oh, very much not. A lot of Irish people hate the language - mostly cos of the horrible ways they have of teaching it in schools, I think. Irish is only the prominent language in very particular areas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaeltacht

I can still speak Irish at a fairly okay level... I wouldn't really be able to have a conversation, but I can express myself fairly well.

lgt

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

Oh, very much not. A lot of Irish people hate the language - mostly cos of the horrible ways they have of teaching it in schools, I think. Irish is only the prominent language in very particular areas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaeltacht

I can still speak Irish at a fairly okay level... I wouldn't really be able to have a conversation, but I can express myself fairly well.

Interesting. To be honest, I don't know much of Irish history except for the fraught relations to the UK, shall we say...

How was it before British rule?

Do you think there is a causal link between the language and invasion? in the sense, being pushed out to the edges of the country, as it were, as per that link.

Rhinocerous Surprise

lgt wrote:

Interesting. To be honest, I don't know much of Irish history except for the fraught relations to the UK, shall we say...

How was it before British rule?

Do you think there is a causal link between the language and invasion? in the sense, being pushed out to the edges of the country, as it were, as per that link.

Oh, definitely a link - during their rule in Ireland, the British pushed most of the Irish speaking population out into the west (Connacht). They basically did their best to stop Irish culture in their tracks; as much as I hate to say "Irish culture = Catholicism", you should look at the Penal Laws, as an example. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ireland <- that's a very brief outline.

English basically became our first language - like how it's the first language in the USA - because we were a British colony. And it was like that for so long that reintroducing the Irish language as our first tongue was pretty impractical.

lgt

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

Oh, definitely a link - during their rule in Ireland, the British pushed most of the Irish speaking population out into the west (Connacht). They basically did their best to stop Irish culture in their tracks; as much as I hate to say "Irish culture = Catholicism", you should look at the Penal Laws, as an example. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ireland <- that's a very brief outline.

English basically became our first language - like how it's the first language in the USA - because we were a British colony. And it was like that for so long that reintroducing the Irish language as our first tongue was pretty impractical.

I see. Typical colonialist policies then - even though I believe the Romans instead in their prime, as it were, let the local populations pretty much "free reign" provided they pledged allegiance to the Roman empire.

This explains even more so about Gaelic becoming an official language of the EU. Not so much a preservation of a language spoken by few, but the historical, political significance.

Cool

Btw, another great debate this evening too, phew!

Rhinocerous Surprise

lgt wrote:

I see. Typical colonialist policies then - even though I believe the Romans instead in their prime, as it were, let the local populations pretty much "free reign" provided they pledged allegiance to the Roman empire.

This explains even more so about Gaelic becoming an official language of the EU. Not so much a preservation of a language spoken by few, but the historical, political significance.

Cool

Btw, another great debate this evening too, phew!

Yeah, that's why I think it should be an official language - even if it's not prevalent in Ireland right now, I'd hate to think of it dying like what Latin did. It's a beautiful language.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AFRCWg_kOc&feature=related

lgt

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

Yeah, that's why I think it should be an official language - even if it's not prevalent in Ireland right now, I'd hate to think of it dying like what Latin did. It's a beautiful language.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AFRCWg_kOc&feature=related

Latin is not dead!!!

I believe it's actually spoken by some weirdos and definitely studied and used.

So, not dead!

nobody

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

Yeah, that's why I think it should be an official language - even if it's not prevalent in Ireland right now, I'd hate to think of it dying like what Latin did. It's a beautiful language.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AFRCWg_kOc&feature=related

doesn't sound like anything else in europe I think:)

m.