Yes, I've said ratification should continue. But only to figure out where each country stands, and work from that basis. Not in the hopes of saying "26 countries said yes... what does one no matter?" which is what Jouyet's and Barroso's words sound like to me. But that could just be paranoia from all the threats we got in the last few weeks.
I think that's what is most likely happening!
Seriously, I would be extremely surprised if nothing will be done to ensure Ireland proceeds - in whatever format - with the process.
However, the ultimate word will be with the Irish people in the referendum, as it is constitutionally required of them.
The extreme ratio would be a simple question on the type of membership for Ireland: yes for the integration represented by Lisbon and its possible variation OR you want to stay as it is - and therefore an extra level of membership will be created.
Yes, I've said ratification should continue. But only to figure out where each country stands, and work from that basis. Not in the hopes of saying "26 countries said yes... what does one no matter?" which is what Jouyet's and Barroso's words sound like to me. But that could just be paranoia from all the threats we got in the last few weeks.
i wasn't threatening you, was I?:)
we don't know what will happen, and neither do the relevant politicians at the moment, i think...i am very curious, though...
slightly related: i found that post where HH gave a quote of this one guy, which said something to the effect that the government should trick its people into accepting the new eu. then the whole quote was revealed and it turned out he said exactly the opposite. I'm sure HH didn't leave out that part of the quote but that she found it already edited somewhere in the web. so people are misquoted on purpose, and in the heat of discussion you can't check every single quote...that way i prefer tv news when people are directly quoted (that can be edited too, but to me it's more obvious)...
in short: the post I'm refering to was CLASSIC...
m.
Godwin's Law:
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
Like I said - I think three times now, but who's counting? - I have no problem with ratification continuing. As long as it doesn't end up being used as a basis for bullying Ireland. But, again, like I said, maybe I'm just on the defensive after all the threats Ireland was privy to recently.
I was just replying to your posts as I've read them catching up. Definetely got your point now!
Oh, no, I don't mean you guys were threatening us - I meant the politico-bigwigs.
And yeah, I think we're all replying to about 15 different posts on 4 different threads at the same time here.
i know
maybe that's part of the problem...
can't we reach an unanimous decision to settle over to the original lisbon treaty thread for further discussion...(one no won't count of course;))
m.
Godwin's Law:
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
maybe that's part of the problem...
can't we reach an unanimous decision to settle over to the original lisbon treaty thread for further discussion...(one no won't count of course)
m.
Never! We need to keep debate about the Lisbon Treaty as confusing and deliberatly obtuse as possible, to keep it in line with the Treaty itself.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
this is all far too civilised for my liking :rolleyes:
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
shit my Irish is terrible......but i still feel strongly that it should be a recognized EU language!
ill post in french instead...
On another note... that's a couple of times now it's been mentioned about speaking native languages in the parliament. Was it a big deal in other countries when we made a point of Irish being an official language?
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
On another note... that's a couple of times now it's been mentioned about speaking native languages in the parliament. Was it a big deal in other countries when we made a point of Irish being an official language?
guess nobody really cares what language you speak in the parliament...
have never heard any debate...
m.
Godwin's Law:
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
For instance, in Wales everything is in dual language and English for many is the second, not primary language.
Oh, very much not. A lot of Irish people hate the language - mostly cos of the horrible ways they have of teaching it in schools, I think. Irish is only the prominent language in very particular areas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaeltacht
I can still speak Irish at a fairly okay level... I wouldn't really be able to have a conversation, but I can express myself fairly well.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
Oh, very much not. A lot of Irish people hate the language - mostly cos of the horrible ways they have of teaching it in schools, I think. Irish is only the prominent language in very particular areas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaeltacht
I can still speak Irish at a fairly okay level... I wouldn't really be able to have a conversation, but I can express myself fairly well.
Interesting. To be honest, I don't know much of Irish history except for the fraught relations to the UK, shall we say...
How was it before British rule?
Do you think there is a causal link between the language and invasion? in the sense, being pushed out to the edges of the country, as it were, as per that link.
Interesting. To be honest, I don't know much of Irish history except for the fraught relations to the UK, shall we say...
How was it before British rule?
Do you think there is a causal link between the language and invasion? in the sense, being pushed out to the edges of the country, as it were, as per that link.
Oh, definitely a link - during their rule in Ireland, the British pushed most of the Irish speaking population out into the west (Connacht). They basically did their best to stop Irish culture in their tracks; as much as I hate to say "Irish culture = Catholicism", you should look at the Penal Laws, as an example. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ireland <- that's a very brief outline.
English basically became our first language - like how it's the first language in the USA - because we were a British colony. And it was like that for so long that reintroducing the Irish language as our first tongue was pretty impractical.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
Oh, definitely a link - during their rule in Ireland, the British pushed most of the Irish speaking population out into the west (Connacht). They basically did their best to stop Irish culture in their tracks; as much as I hate to say "Irish culture = Catholicism", you should look at the Penal Laws, as an example. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ireland <- that's a very brief outline.
English basically became our first language - like how it's the first language in the USA - because we were a British colony. And it was like that for so long that reintroducing the Irish language as our first tongue was pretty impractical.
I see. Typical colonialist policies then - even though I believe the Romans instead in their prime, as it were, let the local populations pretty much "free reign" provided they pledged allegiance to the Roman empire.
This explains even more so about Gaelic becoming an official language of the EU. Not so much a preservation of a language spoken by few, but the historical, political significance.
I see. Typical colonialist policies then - even though I believe the Romans instead in their prime, as it were, let the local populations pretty much "free reign" provided they pledged allegiance to the Roman empire.
This explains even more so about Gaelic becoming an official language of the EU. Not so much a preservation of a language spoken by few, but the historical, political significance.
Cool
Btw, another great debate this evening too, phew!
Yeah, that's why I think it should be an official language - even if it's not prevalent in Ireland right now, I'd hate to think of it dying like what Latin did. It's a beautiful language.
Yeah, that's why I think it should be an official language - even if it's not prevalent in Ireland right now, I'd hate to think of it dying like what Latin did. It's a beautiful language.
Yeah, that's why I think it should be an official language - even if it's not prevalent in Ireland right now, I'd hate to think of it dying like what Latin did. It's a beautiful language.
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I think that's what is most likely happening!
Seriously, I would be extremely surprised if nothing will be done to ensure Ireland proceeds - in whatever format - with the process.
However, the ultimate word will be with the Irish people in the referendum, as it is constitutionally required of them.
The extreme ratio would be a simple question on the type of membership for Ireland: yes for the integration represented by Lisbon and its possible variation OR you want to stay as it is - and therefore an extra level of membership will be created.
i wasn't threatening you, was I?:)
we don't know what will happen, and neither do the relevant politicians at the moment, i think...i am very curious, though...
slightly related: i found that post where HH gave a quote of this one guy, which said something to the effect that the government should trick its people into accepting the new eu. then the whole quote was revealed and it turned out he said exactly the opposite. I'm sure HH didn't leave out that part of the quote but that she found it already edited somewhere in the web. so people are misquoted on purpose, and in the heat of discussion you can't check every single quote...that way i prefer tv news when people are directly quoted (that can be edited too, but to me it's more obvious)...
in short: the post I'm refering to was CLASSIC...
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
I was just replying to your posts as I've read them catching up. Definetely got your point now!
And yeah, I think we're all replying to about 15 different posts on 4 different threads at the same time here.
hehehe!
I've got to say this debate has done wonders for my meagre post count!!
i know
maybe that's part of the problem...
can't we reach an unanimous decision to settle over to the original lisbon treaty thread for further discussion...(one no won't count of course;))
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
I think nobody's entire post count is on this debate.
Never! We need to keep debate about the Lisbon Treaty as confusing and deliberatly obtuse as possible, to keep it in line with the Treaty itself.
We should also ensure to make comments in our own native languages to ensure proper EU-conformity!
that could well be...does that tell you something;)
i took a swift look at it this morning...don't look confusing to me at all...;)
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
Ceart go leor.
You're not even allowed vote on it. Your opinion doesn't matter.
lieber nich...;)
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
It's been fun!
Oíche mhaith.
And yes it has!
agreed:)
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
"Well, Ireland, it's been fun...
Now seriously, get the fuck outta the EU."
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
well, check out the other threat then;)
it has everything...nazis, jesus, polls, fascists;)
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
shit my Irish is terrible......but i still feel strongly that it should be a recognized EU language!
ill post in french instead...
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
guess nobody really cares what language you speak in the parliament...
have never heard any debate...
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
When a language becomes an official EU language it means that all EU documentation MUST be translatated in that language as well.
Can't remember how many official languages there are now!
And yes, I also have not heard much debate/issue about Gaelic.
I'm not even sure how I feel about the Irish language. Part of me thinks, of course it shoud be an officially recognised language.
Another part of me remembers how utterly awful it was learning it for 14 years in school.
Are Irish people in general fluent in both?
For instance, in Wales everything is in dual language and English for many is the second, not primary language.
Oh, very much not.
I can still speak Irish at a fairly okay level... I wouldn't really be able to have a conversation, but I can express myself fairly well.
Interesting. To be honest, I don't know much of Irish history except for the fraught relations to the UK, shall we say...
How was it before British rule?
Do you think there is a causal link between the language and invasion? in the sense, being pushed out to the edges of the country, as it were, as per that link.
Oh, definitely a link - during their rule in Ireland, the British pushed most of the Irish speaking population out into the west (Connacht). They basically did their best to stop Irish culture in their tracks; as much as I hate to say "Irish culture = Catholicism", you should look at the Penal Laws, as an example. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ireland <- that's a very brief outline.
English basically became our first language - like how it's the first language in the USA - because we were a British colony. And it was like that for so long that reintroducing the Irish language as our first tongue was pretty impractical.
I see. Typical colonialist policies then - even though I believe the Romans instead in their prime, as it were, let the local populations pretty much "free reign" provided they pledged allegiance to the Roman empire.
This explains even more so about Gaelic becoming an official language of the EU. Not so much a preservation of a language spoken by few, but the historical, political significance.
Cool
Btw, another great debate this evening too, phew!
Yeah, that's why I think it should be an official language - even if it's not prevalent in Ireland right now, I'd hate to think of it dying like what Latin did. It's a beautiful language.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AFRCWg_kOc&feature=related
Latin is not dead!!!
I believe it's actually spoken by some weirdos and definitely studied and used.
So, not dead!
doesn't sound like anything else in europe I think:)
m.
"As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."