America..they're actually talking about drafting your asses...

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Yeah take a look and hope/pray this dies out quickly.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070810/bush-war-adviser/

I'm partly in shock it's even coming into the media...

MLC2006

enlistees last month were ABOVE the military's goal. so no, there will not a draft forthcoming any time soon

RolandTD20Kdrummer

MLC2006 wrote:

enlistees last month were ABOVE the military's goal. so no, there will not a draft forthcoming any time soon

I hope never...

fuck man...this is some bad information to become privy to.

g under p

There's no way they'll implement a draft. that's the one thing that will WAKE UP the nation out of it's complacency and bring them to an uproar.

However, this may work if they add some amendment that stipulates politicians sons and daughters are exempt from being drafted then and only then will this EVER work.

Just in case this does come to past I better find my passport, Amsterdam here I come!

Peace
Earle

RolandTD20Kdrummer

g under p wrote:

There's no way they'll implement a draft. that's the one thing that will WAKE UP the nation out of it's complacency and bring them to an uproar.

However, this may work if they add some amendment that stipulates politicians sons and daughters are exempt from being drafted then and only then will this EVER work.

Just in case this does come to past I better find my passport, Amsterdam here I come!

Peace
Earle

You know... I agree with you. Funny...that seems to be happening a lot lately. Maybe were both certifiably insane as some would love to think. haha....

I wonder if this was let out into the public consciousness (aka the media) as a ploy to encourage, or make people aware to sign up for the cause out of obligation.

Some people think like that ...not to be spiteful but...low level intellectuals (i.e IQ).

Sorta a sniff the wind and run scenario so to speak?

Be curious too see if more grumblings on this are put out into mainstream to confirm my suspicions.

I hope I'm wrong. It's an hypothesis.

gimmesometruth27

MLC2006 wrote:

enlistees last month were ABOVE the military's goal. so no, there will not a draft forthcoming any time soon

i read somewhere that this is only because they have lowered their standards and have lowered their recruitment goals. if they hadn't done this then they would be nowhere near their recruitment goals. i need to try to find the link.

you want to see a million people protesting in DC? just re-institute the draft. the keyboard generals will quickly change their stance on the war if their asses may have the chance to go visit lovely iraq or afghanistan.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

the keyboard generals

lmfao..and flush twice afterwards...

This term beats the pants off chicken hawk..

oh dude...10/10...still laughing...

gimmesometruth27

hmmm, the exact same article is now on yahoo and msnbc main site. maybe the mainstream might just pick this one up afterall....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070810/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/bush_war_adviser

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20219330/

RolandTD20Kdrummer

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i read somewhere that this is only because they have lowered their standards and have lowered their recruitment goals. if they hadn't done this then they would be nowhere near their recruitment goals. i need to try to find the link.

btw..

I read this as well, and it seemed to be confirmed.

I dare say it's not casual what the American gov't is doing right now. It's on until it's ripped from their cold dead hands.

Bu2

and it made my skin crawl. Bad enough my oldest nephew went and voluntarily joined the Army last year and is being shipped to Iraq in about a month....but now I have to worry about my other nephew who turns 18 next spring?

The article says Bush adamantly refuses to consider a draft, but we all know how Bush is.

g under p

You mean Flip-Flopping..... or....however the wind blows here in DC

Peace
Earle

Bu2

are doing, with the exception of Ron Paul.

Hillary flip-flops with the best of 'em. Which is why she is Bush Lite.

tybird

I have also heard of a program where they are shifting people from the Air Force to the Army........back to basic training.....then toting a gun in Iraq. They call it "Blue to Green." Taking rear echelon jobs from folks going for their twenty....contracting out the job ...viola!!! extra gun toters.

g under p

Bu2 wrote:

are doing, with the exception of Ron Paul.

Hillary flip-flops with the best of 'em. Which is why she is Bush Lite.

Ron Paul I respect, Hillary however.....well the further this march to the 08 Presidency I really dislike her. She really shifts with whatever is the popular trend. She needs a pair kahunas like Dennis Kucinich who to me stands for PEACE. I can hold unto that concept in these times.

Peace
Earle

Bu2

tybird wrote:

I have also heard of a program where they are shifting people from the Air Force to the Army........back to basic training.....then toting a gun in Iraq. They call it "Blue to Green." Taking rear echelon jobs from folks going for their twenty....contracting out the job ...viola!!! extra gun toters.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/how-to-end-the-war-make-_b_59896.html

I like his idea....it's a start: We could at least get our National Guardsmen home.

beachdweller

MLC2006 wrote:

enlistees last month were ABOVE the military's goal. so no, there will not a draft forthcoming any time soon

not sure you are right, but I know the Army has not met enlistment goals for two straight months, not sure about the other services.

beachdweller

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Yeah take a look and hope/pray this dies out quickly.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070810/bush-war-adviser/

I'm partly in shock it's even coming into the media...

every year congress representatives or senators talk about a draft, even before Bush took office. Some think that all citizens should serve, and I think there is something to that, but don't think it necessarilly means they need to serve in the military.

I do think females should have to register for the draft at 18 like males though.

The military is for more broken that most Americans know. The administration has not funded the military units not in Iraq so they can fix broken equipment, they don't have training funds, bullets to practice fire with, and they have been taking working equipment apart to fix multiple broken equipment. If the administration asked for the addional billions needed, last I saw the Army needs 10s of billions to get the units not in Iraq back up to deployment status. I'm sure the Marines, Airforce, and Navy aren't doing much better...though the Navy is probably less effected.

As for a draft, they've done everything they can to allow for anyone that tries to enlist in the Army, to succeed, raised the enlistment age from 36 to 42, you can be a felon, your IQ can be much lower, you can be deep in debt, and they throw money at you with large enlistment bonus's. The latest thing the Army just started this month is up to $45k to buy a house or start a business, that's on top of the GI loan you already get access to, and the enlistment bonus you might get, depending on job, and the college and GI BIll possibilities.

now maybe if they paid soldiers like Blackwater pays it's mercenaries they could meet their quota. you can get paid $10k a month to drive a bus in baghdad, and you get your own personal U S army soldier as your bodyguard, talk about kcuf'd up? a $900 to $1200 a month soldier guarding a $10k a month bus driver...worse taking a younger soldier, not an older seasoned one to do so.

Things are so messed up, I wouldn't mind a draft at all, like was already said, maybe then, finally the nation (sleeper) will awaken (sorry, just watched Dune, lol)

prism

thank goodness both of my kids are working on getting their dual citizenship.

ooh the irony of thinking that having been boinked by a Canadian was a good thing

gabers

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i read somewhere that this is only because they have lowered their standards and have lowered their recruitment goals. if they hadn't done this then they would be nowhere near their recruitment goals. i need to try to find the link.

you want to see a million people protesting in DC? just re-institute the draft. the keyboard generals will quickly change their stance on the war if their asses may have the chance to go visit lovely iraq or afghanistan.

Ten years ago it was the Army's goal for the average recruit to have two years of college prior to enlistment - and at the very least a high school diploma. Now they'll let in just about anyone. The military lowers their standards quite a bit during times of war. And the recruitment bonuses have gone through the roof. Despite these things the recruitment numbers are way down since post 911. Hell, since pre-911. It's really starting to affect the quality of soldiers we build and send out to help spread democracy. At this point, the only way to correct these problems is by starting a draft. I still don't think that will happen, but the big chiefs know this and it's the reason it is being discussed openly now.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

I think they ride the fine line to keep people unaware and working away just a hairs width under the political radar.

If they re-enacted the draft the white house would probably be replacing broken windows and covering over graffiti on a regular basis.

however...they would probably declare police state in DC shortly after the first uprising.

It would be political suicide...well...let's hope.

VRinfidel

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

lmfao..and flush twice afterwards...

This term beats the pants off chicken hawk..

oh dude...10/10...still laughing...

Agreed, I was truly impressed by the keyboard generals comment.

You've officially won the internet, "gimmesometruth27"

gimmesometruth27

VRinfidel wrote:

Agreed, I was truly impressed by the keyboard generals comment.

You've officially won the internet, "gimmesometruth27"

i wasn't trying to be funny at all..... thats what i call ppl on this board who vehemently support the war and now potential airstrikes on iran without signing up themselves and without knowing anyone actually over there risking their lives.

spiral out

beachdweller wrote:

every year congress representatives or senators talk about a draft, even before Bush took office. Some think that all citizens should serve, and I think there is something to that, but don't think it necessarilly means they need to serve in the military.

I do think females should have to register for the draft at 18 like males though.

The military is for more broken that most Americans know. The administration has not funded the military units not in Iraq so they can fix broken equipment, they don't have training funds, bullets to practice fire with, and they have been taking working equipment apart to fix multiple broken equipment. If the administration asked for the addional billions needed, last I saw the Army needs 10s of billions to get the units not in Iraq back up to deployment status. I'm sure the Marines, Airforce, and Navy aren't doing much better...though the Navy is probably less effected.

As for a draft, they've done everything they can to allow for anyone that tries to enlist in the Army, to succeed, raised the enlistment age from 36 to 42, you can be a felon, your IQ can be much lower, you can be deep in debt, and they throw money at you with large enlistment bonus's. The latest thing the Army just started this month is up to $45k to buy a house or start a business, that's on top of the GI loan you already get access to, and the enlistment bonus you might get, depending on job, and the college and GI BIll possibilities.

now maybe if they paid soldiers like Blackwater pays it's mercenaries they could meet their quota. you can get paid $10k a month to drive a bus in baghdad, and you get your own personal U S army soldier as your bodyguard, talk about kcuf'd up? a $900 to $1200 a month soldier guarding a $10k a month bus driver...worse taking a younger soldier, not an older seasoned one to do so.

Things are so messed up, I wouldn't mind a draft at all, like was already said, maybe then, finally the nation (sleeper) will awaken (sorry, just watched Dune, lol)

Where does all the money that america spends on the military actually go then? If it's not on equipment.

I mean don't they have the biggest budget by a mile, in the world.

Collin

g under p wrote:

There's no way they'll implement a draft. that's the one thing that will WAKE UP the nation out of it's complacency and bring them to an uproar.

True.

catefrances

anyone who has plans to avoid the draft can come stay at my place.

chopitdown

The president's position is that the all volunteer military meets the needs of the country and there is no discussion of a draft. General Lute made that point as well," National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe said. - from the article too

know1

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Yeah take a look and hope/pray this dies out quickly.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070810/bush-war-adviser/

I'm partly in shock it's even coming into the media...

Won't happen.

gue_barium

I think it's an inevitability with control of the Middle East as it's goal. Is it any wonder the power to control the media is so sought after?

Skitch Patterson

chopitdown wrote:

The president's position is that the all volunteer military meets the needs of the country and there is no discussion of a draft. General Lute made that point as well," National Security Council spokesman Gordon Johndroe said. - from the article too

oh come on, you know better than that. You dont read the WHOLE article, you just read the fear inducing, attention grabbing headline for the purposes of this board.

Hartydog

Skitch Patterson wrote:

oh come on, you know better than that. You dont read the WHOLE article, you just read the fear inducing, attention grabbing headline for the purposes of this board.

Hahahahaha

gue_barium

Skitch Patterson wrote:

oh come on, you know better than that. You dont read the WHOLE article, you just read the fear inducing, attention grabbing headline for the purposes of this board.

I have a question for you. If a Draft Bill came across the desk of Bush, even knowing what he's said about it, do you think he would veto the Bill?

I don't think so. I think he would give some speech to the effect that, 'the American people have spoken'...blah blah blah, and he would sign the fucker into law.