I have a question for you. If a Draft Bill came across the desk of Bush, even knowing what he's said about it, do you think he would veto the Bill?
I don't think so. I think he would give some speech to the effect that, 'the American people have spoken'...blah blah blah, and he would sign the fucker into law.
Er WHAT!....At the risk of sending one or both of his Bush twins daughters to war. Hell no that'll never happen especially if he tries to come with some weak ass excuse to exempt them from going. He knows war is hell he ducked out on one remember.
Peace
Earle
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Er WHAT!....At the risk of sending one or both of his Bush twins daughters to war. Hell no that'll never happen especially if he tries to come with some weak ass excuse to exempt them from going. He knows war is hell he ducked out on one remember.
Peace
Earle
Conscription has always met some resistance in US History, yet it always invariably comes into being during times of war.
Also, I believe the Selective Service is still a male-only, ages 18-25 requirement, so there goes your theory on the Bush twins.
I have a question for you. If a Draft Bill came across the desk of Bush, even knowing what he's said about it, do you think he would veto the Bill?
I don't think so. I think he would give some speech to the effect that, 'the American people have spoken'...blah blah blah, and he would sign the fucker into law.
This is a purely hypothetical question, as there is absolutely no way this would make it beyond its first vote...
but no, i dont think he would sign it. He's done some very dumb things, but I really really really doubt that he would sign a draft bill.
All Things Considered, August 10, 2007 · Lt. Gen. Douglas Lute, assistant to the president and deputy national security adviser for Iraq and Afghanistan, says he is concerned about the toll the war in Iraq and extended deployments are taking on U.S. forces.
The man who is widely known as the "war czar" also says that from a military standpoint, a return to a draft should be part of the discussion.
On the ground in Iraq, Lute tells Michele Norris that there has been "demonstrable progress" on the security front. But on the political front, the Iraqi government is lagging behind, though he does cite progress at local and provincial levels.
How heavy a toll is the war taking on American forces? Do you agree with other military leaders who have expressed worries that U.S. forces are near the breaking point?
As an Army officer, this is a matter of real concern to me. Ultimately, the American army, and any other all-volunteer force, rests with the support and the morale and the willingness to serve demonstrated by our — especially our young men and women in uniform. And I am concerned that those men and women and the families they represent are under stress as a result of repeated deployments.
There's both a personal dimension of this, where this kind of stress plays out across dinner tables and in living room conversations within these families, and ultimately, the health of the all-volunteer force is going to rest on those sorts of personal family decisions. And when the system is under stress, it's right to be concerned about some of the future decisions these young men and women may make. I think our military leaders are right to be focused on that.
There's also a professional and broader strategic argument to this, and that is that when our forces are as engaged as they have been over the last several years, particularly in Iraq, that we're concerned as military professionals that we also keep a very sharp edge honed for other contingencies outside of Iraq.
When military leaders, though, talk about the breaking point, what are they talking about? What's the real worry there?
I think that most who have talked about the stress on the force are concerned that in today's all-volunteer force, especially with the sort of quality individuals that we're interested in attracting to the all-volunteer force, that we're actually competing in the marketplace — in the labor marketplace — for a very narrow slice of high school graduates without records with the law who come to us with a clean bill of health and the potential to serve this country in some very demanding missions.
So when you're competing in that marketplace, I think the concern is that these people are challenged and feel the respect to the nation and feel a calling to something beyond themselves, beyond just a personal calling, and that these things remain in place and, therefore, make the all-volunteer force viable in the long run.
You know, given the stress on the military and the concern about these extended deployments for an all-volunteer military, can you foresee, in the future, a return to the draft?
You know, that's a national policy decision point that we have not yet reached, Michele, because the —
But does it make sense militarily?
I think it makes sense to certainly consider it, and I can tell you, this has always been an option on the table, but ultimately, this is a policy matter between meeting the demands for the nation's security by one means or another. Today, the current means of the all-volunteer force is serving us exceptionally well. It would be a major policy shift — not actually a military, but a political policy shift to move to some other course.
Do you agree with that assessment that there is a real pressure point in the spring — that that's when the Pentagon will face some tough decisions about either extended deployments or reducing the time spent at home?
Yes, I do agree that come the spring, some variables will have to change — either the degree to which the American ground forces, the Marines and the Army in particular, are deployed around the world to include Iraq, or the length of time they're deployed in one tour, or the length of time they enjoy at home. Those are, essentially, the three variables.
It's interesting, because we often hear the president back away from discussions of any kind of timetable, because he says that it would show our cards to our enemies. But it seems that they would know this also, that the current force strength has its limits.
Well, remember that I said that there are three variables. So there's not a hard and fast stop to any level of commitment of American forces.
Now your title is assistant to the president and deputy national security adviser for Iraq and Afghanistan. Could you explain exactly what you do?
What I do is work alongside Steve Hadley, the president's national security adviser, giving full-time attention to the issues surrounding our policy and the execution of those policies in Iraq and Afghanistan and essentially give Steve Hadley a teammate who can attend full time to the demands of those two missions.
How often do you talk directly to President Bush?
Daily.
And when — are you the point person there that gives the president the daily war briefing on progress in Iraq and Afghanistan?
I have daily contacts with the president alongside Steve Hadley, and of course that relationship is very important because, while I'm responsible for – as the point man on Iraq and Afghanistan in advising the president, Steve and I have to make sure that Iraq and Afghanistan are placed appropriately in the regional context.
I'm just curious – what do you think of the term war czar?
It's actually an unfortunate term because it doesn't describe my job at all.
But it's often how people describe you.
That may be, but it wouldn't be my choice of how I describe the job. What I'm trying to do here is actually facilitate the very hard work that's taking place on the ground and link it to the very hard work that's being done here in Washington across the departments of the executive branch with the priorities of what's required on the ground reflected in the efforts here in Washington. I'm in charge of about 15 people. Now that's not exactly very czar-like, but what I am able to do is make sure that efforts are aligned properly.
Well, you know what they say in Washington sometimes — that power is concentrated.
[Chuckles.] Well, I have 15 very qualified people, and we're working very hard to do our best to contribute to this effort.
This is a purely hypothetical question, as there is absolutely no way this would make it beyond its first vote...
but no, i dont think he would sign it. He's done some very dumb things, but I really really really doubt that he would sign a draft bill.
Yet, you believed AT&t's out and out lying.
I'll go with my instincts and knowledge on this one. I think the scenario will follow the script that we've already seen with the American's dying on 9/11. Instead of planes flying into buildings it will more than likely be a huge loss of life inflicted upon our military. The bad guys will be terrorists again, of course, (facilitated by the CIA no doubt), and this event will grease the wheels for the rhetoric that is needed for a draft.
I'll go with my instincts and knowledge on this one. I think the scenario will follow the script that we've already seen with the American's dying on 9/11. Instead of planes flying into buildings it will more than likely be a huge loss of life inflicted upon our military. The bad guys will be terrorists again, of course, (facilitated by the CIA no doubt), and this event will grease the wheels for the rhetoric that is needed for a draft.
I have no reason to believe they ARE lying. I find it to be totally plausable that one idiot who was running the board happens to be a hard core republican, or a guy in india who thinks its against the law to say something bad about the government. I dont think it was some grand plan to censor eddie vedder- or they would have censored Do the Evolution or Worldwide Suicide... or they wouldnt have had them on at all.
This is even referenced in my silly thread listing the conspiracy theories i have seen on the board.. The draft is brought up seemingly every year, and it never even makes it past the first vote (has it even gotten that far?).. and if it couldnt get past the republican house and senate, i think its less likely to get past the democrats. If a draft happens within the next 3 years, ill eat my hat. (barring of course some sort of action being taken upon us by another large nation like china.)
I have no reason to believe they ARE lying. I find it to be totally plausable that one idiot who was running the board happens to be a hard core republican, or a guy in india who thinks its against the law to say something bad about the government. I dont think it was some grand plan to censor eddie vedder- or they would have censored Do the Evolution or Worldwide Suicide... or they wouldnt have had them on at all.
This is even referenced in my silly thread listing the conspiracy theories i have seen on the board.. The draft is brought up seemingly every year, and it never even makes it past the first vote (has it even gotten that far?).. and if it couldnt get past the republican house and senate, i think its less likely to get past the democrats. If a draft happens within the next 3 years, ill eat my hat. (barring of course some sort of action being taken upon us by another large nation like china.)
The news snippets put out by officials each "year" about a draft (and other moving elements in washington) are vital for taking the pulse of the media, and its readers. It detects leaks in the form of "dissidence" which then allows them to move to correct anything they perceive as a hinderance to their goal.
The news snippets put out by officials each "year" about a draft (and other moving elements in washington) are vital for taking the pulse of the media, and its readers. It detects leaks in the form of "dissidence" which then allows them to move to correct anything they perceive as a hinderance to their goal.
Yes, and only you and a small band of pearl jam fans have figured it all out.
This is how i see it. In this type of debate, youve put yourself in a situation where you cant be wrong.
If a draft occurs you can say "I Called it! I told you"
and if it doesnt, you can say the public outcry stopped it from happening, because they floated it through the media.
Either way you can claim to be right. So id say you're somewhat of a well oiled machine yourself.
I hope like hell I'm wrong. And I'll fucking admit it. This isn't about bragging rights for me. I'm not putting myself on any pedestal of special knowledge by pointing out some obvious patterns in American history. It isn't that complicated.
I hope like hell I'm wrong. And I'll fucking admit it. This isn't about bragging rights for me, though. I'm not putting myself on any pedestal of special knowledge by pointing out some obvious patterns in American history. It isn't that complicated.
then why would you make the point that they float it through the media first?
Either you think they are going to institute a draft, or they wont. for the last 10-11 years i can remember hearing just about every year about a draft... and i dont think its even come to a real vote (maybe a couple of symbolic 48584581-2 outcomes or something).
Hillary flip-flops with the best of 'em. Which is why she is Bush Lite.
you do remember the biggest flip flopper of them all John Kerry and do remember he was a Democrat, sorry had to inform you a little before you spotlighted just one group of politicians (Republicans)
oh and as far as a draft, it will never happen, and if it does? wow, there would be an uprising
then why would you make the point that they float it through the media first?
Either you think they are going to institute a draft, or they wont. for the last 10-11 years i can remember hearing just about every year about a draft... and i dont think its even come to a real vote (maybe a couple of symbolic 48584581-2 outcomes or something).
I gave you my reasons. They're looking for that leverage that will put it over the top. If they can't do it honestly, they'll create a media scenario in which they can. And alluding to your earlier comment:
"This is how i see it. In this type of debate, youve put yourself in a situation where you cant be wrong."
There will be a draft if the Republicans go to war with Iran. Or if the Democrats go do their war. Like Pakistan and Darfur. In response to the post above......Our government was looking for an excuse to go to war with Iraq for a long time. They will find another one to get a draft.
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Er WHAT!....At the risk of sending one or both of his Bush twins daughters to war. Hell no that'll never happen especially if he tries to come with some weak ass excuse to exempt them from going. He knows war is hell he ducked out on one remember.
Peace
Earle
They'll go, but they'll be in the equivalent of some far removed ultra top security Disney land pushing papers and giving orders. I doubt very highly they'll ever have to fire a weapon.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Yes, and only you and a small band of pearl jam fans have figured it all out.
This is how i see it. In this type of debate, youve put yourself in a situation where you cant be wrong.
If a draft occurs you can say "I Called it! I told you"
and if it doesnt, you can say the public outcry stopped it from happening, because they floated it through the media.
Either way you can claim to be right. So id say you're somewhat of a well oiled machine yourself.
Dude look around.... it's not just going on here my friend. Not even close...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
i agree. There are lots of people who refuse to stand behind their claims... and always leave themselves with an out to avoid being wrong.
I agree.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
if a draft happened, Dick "deferment" Cheney would ensure his rich buds kids would have the same entitlement to deferments as he did, I'm sure Congressional kids would take the same route.
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If this supposed war against "Islamo-facism" (or whatever slogan they are selling this month) was indeed genuine and as much as a threat as they've told us Congress would have declared war and started a draft.
Until that happens this is not a war, but a poorly managed bloodbath of a mis-adventure.
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There will not be a draft. These draft rumors pop up at least once a year. Sometimes for political reasons, sometimes because of the tinfoil helmet crew. They are often perpetuated by the chicken littles. Either way, the rumor is far removed from reality. Most politicians won't vote for it because it will be political suicide. The military doesn't want it since it is incredibly hard to prosecute a war with people who were forced to join.
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When I heard about this, my first suspicion was, now we know why they hired a war czar and why it took so long to find him.
It could also just be another distraction to keep the masses occupied on another red herring though.
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I agree, but also think because of the state of the military, they are throwing money at people and still not making their quota's both in re-enlistments and new enlistments, that there is a twinge of truth to the possibility.
This can also be a huge plus for those trying to get us out of Iraq. The fact we have to contemplate a draft just to stay in Iraq...can't see this happening.
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Er WHAT!....At the risk of sending one or both of his Bush twins daughters to war. Hell no that'll never happen especially if he tries to come with some weak ass excuse to exempt them from going. He knows war is hell he ducked out on one remember.
Peace
Earle
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Conscription has always met some resistance in US History, yet it always invariably comes into being during times of war.
Also, I believe the Selective Service is still a male-only, ages 18-25 requirement, so there goes your theory on the Bush twins.
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This is a purely hypothetical question, as there is absolutely no way this would make it beyond its first vote...
but no, i dont think he would sign it. He's done some very dumb things, but I really really really doubt that he would sign a draft bill.
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All Things Considered, August 10, 2007 · Lt. Gen. Douglas Lute, assistant to the president and deputy national security adviser for Iraq and Afghanistan, says he is concerned about the toll the war in Iraq and extended deployments are taking on U.S. forces.
The man who is widely known as the "war czar" also says that from a military standpoint, a return to a draft should be part of the discussion.
On the ground in Iraq, Lute tells Michele Norris that there has been "demonstrable progress" on the security front. But on the political front, the Iraqi government is lagging behind, though he does cite progress at local and provincial levels.
How heavy a toll is the war taking on American forces? Do you agree with other military leaders who have expressed worries that U.S. forces are near the breaking point?
As an Army officer, this is a matter of real concern to me. Ultimately, the American army, and any other all-volunteer force, rests with the support and the morale and the willingness to serve demonstrated by our — especially our young men and women in uniform. And I am concerned that those men and women and the families they represent are under stress as a result of repeated deployments.
There's both a personal dimension of this, where this kind of stress plays out across dinner tables and in living room conversations within these families, and ultimately, the health of the all-volunteer force is going to rest on those sorts of personal family decisions. And when the system is under stress, it's right to be concerned about some of the future decisions these young men and women may make. I think our military leaders are right to be focused on that.
There's also a professional and broader strategic argument to this, and that is that when our forces are as engaged as they have been over the last several years, particularly in Iraq, that we're concerned as military professionals that we also keep a very sharp edge honed for other contingencies outside of Iraq.
When military leaders, though, talk about the breaking point, what are they talking about? What's the real worry there?
I think that most who have talked about the stress on the force are concerned that in today's all-volunteer force, especially with the sort of quality individuals that we're interested in attracting to the all-volunteer force, that we're actually competing in the marketplace — in the labor marketplace — for a very narrow slice of high school graduates without records with the law who come to us with a clean bill of health and the potential to serve this country in some very demanding missions.
So when you're competing in that marketplace, I think the concern is that these people are challenged and feel the respect to the nation and feel a calling to something beyond themselves, beyond just a personal calling, and that these things remain in place and, therefore, make the all-volunteer force viable in the long run.
You know, given the stress on the military and the concern about these extended deployments for an all-volunteer military, can you foresee, in the future, a return to the draft?
You know, that's a national policy decision point that we have not yet reached, Michele, because the —
But does it make sense militarily?
I think it makes sense to certainly consider it, and I can tell you, this has always been an option on the table, but ultimately, this is a policy matter between meeting the demands for the nation's security by one means or another. Today, the current means of the all-volunteer force is serving us exceptionally well. It would be a major policy shift — not actually a military, but a political policy shift to move to some other course.
Do you agree with that assessment that there is a real pressure point in the spring — that that's when the Pentagon will face some tough decisions about either extended deployments or reducing the time spent at home?
Yes, I do agree that come the spring, some variables will have to change — either the degree to which the American ground forces, the Marines and the Army in particular, are deployed around the world to include Iraq, or the length of time they're deployed in one tour, or the length of time they enjoy at home. Those are, essentially, the three variables.
It's interesting, because we often hear the president back away from discussions of any kind of timetable, because he says that it would show our cards to our enemies. But it seems that they would know this also, that the current force strength has its limits.
Well, remember that I said that there are three variables. So there's not a hard and fast stop to any level of commitment of American forces.
Now your title is assistant to the president and deputy national security adviser for Iraq and Afghanistan. Could you explain exactly what you do?
What I do is work alongside Steve Hadley, the president's national security adviser, giving full-time attention to the issues surrounding our policy and the execution of those policies in Iraq and Afghanistan and essentially give Steve Hadley a teammate who can attend full time to the demands of those two missions.
How often do you talk directly to President Bush?
Daily.
And when — are you the point person there that gives the president the daily war briefing on progress in Iraq and Afghanistan?
I have daily contacts with the president alongside Steve Hadley, and of course that relationship is very important because, while I'm responsible for – as the point man on Iraq and Afghanistan in advising the president, Steve and I have to make sure that Iraq and Afghanistan are placed appropriately in the regional context.
I'm just curious – what do you think of the term war czar?
It's actually an unfortunate term because it doesn't describe my job at all.
But it's often how people describe you.
That may be, but it wouldn't be my choice of how I describe the job. What I'm trying to do here is actually facilitate the very hard work that's taking place on the ground and link it to the very hard work that's being done here in Washington across the departments of the executive branch with the priorities of what's required on the ground reflected in the efforts here in Washington. I'm in charge of about 15 people. Now that's not exactly very czar-like, but what I am able to do is make sure that efforts are aligned properly.
Well, you know what they say in Washington sometimes — that power is concentrated.
[Chuckles.] Well, I have 15 very qualified people, and we're working very hard to do our best to contribute to this effort.
Yet, you believed AT&t's out and out lying.
I'll go with my instincts and knowledge on this one. I think the scenario will follow the script that we've already seen with the American's dying on 9/11. Instead of planes flying into buildings it will more than likely be a huge loss of life inflicted upon our military. The bad guys will be terrorists again, of course, (facilitated by the CIA no doubt), and this event will grease the wheels for the rhetoric that is needed for a draft.
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I have no reason to believe they ARE lying. I find it to be totally plausable that one idiot who was running the board happens to be a hard core republican, or a guy in india who thinks its against the law to say something bad about the government. I dont think it was some grand plan to censor eddie vedder- or they would have censored Do the Evolution or Worldwide Suicide... or they wouldnt have had them on at all.
This is even referenced in my silly thread listing the conspiracy theories i have seen on the board.. The draft is brought up seemingly every year, and it never even makes it past the first vote (has it even gotten that far?).. and if it couldnt get past the republican house and senate, i think its less likely to get past the democrats. If a draft happens within the next 3 years, ill eat my hat. (barring of course some sort of action being taken upon us by another large nation like china.)
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we'll agree to disagree.
It's a machine, buddy, a well-oiled machine.
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They've got the country wired, man.
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Yes, and only you and a small band of pearl jam fans have figured it all out.
This is how i see it. In this type of debate, youve put yourself in a situation where you cant be wrong.
If a draft occurs you can say "I Called it! I told you"
and if it doesnt, you can say the public outcry stopped it from happening, because they floated it through the media.
Either way you can claim to be right. So id say you're somewhat of a well oiled machine yourself.
I hope like hell I'm wrong. And I'll fucking admit it. This isn't about bragging rights for me. I'm not putting myself on any pedestal of special knowledge by pointing out some obvious patterns in American history. It isn't that complicated.
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then why would you make the point that they float it through the media first?
Either you think they are going to institute a draft, or they wont. for the last 10-11 years i can remember hearing just about every year about a draft... and i dont think its even come to a real vote (maybe a couple of symbolic 48584581-2 outcomes or something).
you do remember the biggest flip flopper of them all John Kerry and do remember he was a Democrat, sorry had to inform you a little before you spotlighted just one group of politicians (Republicans)
oh and as far as a draft, it will never happen, and if it does? wow, there would be an uprising
I gave you my reasons. They're looking for that leverage that will put it over the top. If they can't do it honestly, they'll create a media scenario in which they can. And alluding to your earlier comment:
"This is how i see it. In this type of debate, youve put yourself in a situation where you cant be wrong."
That, Skitch, that is what they do.
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They'll go, but they'll be in the equivalent of some far removed ultra top security Disney land pushing papers and giving orders. I doubt very highly they'll ever have to fire a weapon.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Dude look around.... it's not just going on here my friend. Not even close...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
i agree. There are lots of people who refuse to stand behind their claims... and always leave themselves with an out to avoid being wrong.
there you are.
- brain of c
I agree.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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It could also just be another distraction to keep the masses occupied on another red herring though.
Love and Peace.
When there's no draft.
If this supposed war against "Islamo-facism" (or whatever slogan they are selling this month) was indeed genuine and as much as a threat as they've told us Congress would have declared war and started a draft.
Until that happens this is not a war, but a poorly managed bloodbath of a mis-adventure.
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I agree, but also think because of the state of the military, they are throwing money at people and still not making their quota's both in re-enlistments and new enlistments, that there is a twinge of truth to the possibility.
This can also be a huge plus for those trying to get us out of Iraq. The fact we have to contemplate a draft just to stay in Iraq...can't see this happening.
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