What if you have no idea what it says? Is that deceptive?
Most people are not so culturally illiterate that they don't know what the K stands for. I've known about it since elementary school. I can hardly imagine being able to reach adulthood having no idea about something so everyday. If you really don't know what the K stands for, find out. It isn't hard. It can't be deceptive if you can readily find out what something stands for. This is not a state secret we're talking about requiring a special clearance to access the info, after all.
I also cannot understand what the big deal is on eating such foods. I've eaten them all my life and, although I admire the Jewish faith, I have not yet become Jewish through the eating of Kosher foods or any other means. I have also eaten vegetables all of my life without becoming a full-blown vegetarian--not that I haven't tried on this front. I just can't give up my virus-infested poultry.
Bottom line, I don't care if my food has been blessed or declared fit for consumption by rabbis, priests, witch doctors, Vedder impersonators, or others. It's all the same to me. Either it's nutritious and tastes good, or it's out the door, where my dogs could try to eat the stuff with MY blessings.
Most people are not so culturally illiterate that they don't know what the K stands for. I've known about it since elementary school. I can hardly imagine being able to reach adulthood having no idea about something so everyday. If you really don't know what the K stands for, find out. It isn't hard. It can't be deceptive if you can readily find out what something stands for. This is not a state secret we're talking about requiring a special clearance to access the info, after all.
This is where I strongly disagree. I've looked over the symbols and there is no K in Canada, the symbols vary by country, (if you weren't aware), so there goes that argument out the window. I see the capital U, the MK (sometimes its says pareve as well with the MK which is intelligent), and a lot of COR. The majority is COR with a number indicating the branch office.
As a consumer there is no way in hell I'm going to know what all this means, I would have to contact the company, but who does that, and why should I have to? Kosher is a specialty food for a rather small and particular religious sect....at least that is my understanding.
Here on earth is is really easy to use this thing called words...they work amazing in the right application.
That's all... label food properly and comprehensively. Simple...end of story.
I'm sure the kosher crowd could benefit from it as well instead of memorizing a bunch of stupid logos... what if you travel? think about it... they are all going to be different.
Is it so hard to print 6 little letters? or at least standardize it?
I'm thinking probably not.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Apparently not for some reason. I have to comply and adapt to rules for like.0000000001 percent of the worlds population. Actually I read somewhere it's 0% rounded...
but I'm wrong of course...
Critical thinking is bad.....just follow along
I think I'm seeing how the holocaust happened...lol
You are really crossing the line with your holocaust comment. I really hope you learn to deal with your hatred. Your poorly-veiled comments do not fool anyone.
Just out of curiousity- and this is an honest question- does it bother you when labels say "Gluten Free" or "Certified Vegan?" People have different diets. It certainly costs more to have products certified vegan or made gluten free, but you don't have to buy them- right? Also isn't it a law in every state now (if not now, it will be soon) that the food products have to state if they are made in a factory with peanuts. My daughter can no longer bring peanut butter sandwiches to school because some kid in Kindergarten, who my daughter has about a 20% chance of even seeing during the school day, has a nut allergy. Would you say that interferes with my daughter's civil liberties, her right to eat peanut butter if she damn well feels like it?
There are always a hundred and one alternatives to things, even buying Kosher. Just as the supermarkets want to make the $$ off of those who keep Kosher, so do they want to make $$ from the white supremacists. Seriously if you have such a problem with it, go have a cheeseburger. You'll be cured.
"If you're looking for someone to pull you out of that ditch, you're out of luck."
You are really crossing the line with your holocaust comment. I really hope you learn to deal with your hatred. Your poorly-veiled comments do not fool anyone.
In all fairness situations like that take place because people don't question their govt critically until it's too late to do anything about it. That's what happened in case you're wondering. I harbor no hatred except for those that impose it on others in scales of magnitude. (read: corrupt govt) and that's as real as it gets.
you are free to paint your picture of me with your various paint colors.. it doesn't affect me or what is real for me in my reality.
Basically you disagree and wish to smear me in the process...that's fine I can see right through that as well No suprises... It's a common tactic.
I could elaborate at length, but why bother. been there done that...more than a few times, and enough to know what's up.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Just out of curiousity- and this is an honest question- does it bother you when labels say "Gluten Free" or "Certified Vegan?" People have different diets. It certainly costs more to have products certified vegan or made gluten free, but you don't have to buy them- right? Also isn't it a law in every state now (if not now, it will be soon) that the food products have to state if they are made in a factory with peanuts. My daughter can no longer bring peanut butter sandwiches to school because some kid in Kindergarten, who my daughter has about a 20% chance of even seeing during the school day, has a nut allergy. Would you say that interferes with my daughter's civil liberties, her right to eat peanut butter if she damn well feels like it?
There are always a hundred and one alternatives to things, even buying Kosher. Just as the supermarkets want to make the $$ off of those who keep Kosher, so do they want to make $$ from the white supremacists. Seriously if you have such a problem with it, go have a cheeseburger. You'll be cured.
I should perhaps stop asking people to think about stuff in my threads. It's looking pretty bleak...
Read post #63... I'm not going outside the implications of food labeling and packaging practices. The food itself is another universe.
Again I could care less if they packaged rancid feces and slapped a kosher label on it. Make it obvious in plain English for everyone.
thanks...the end.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Ohhhh I get it- my bad. I thought the thread was to point out to the masses that unbeknownst to them, portions of their pantries are certified kosher- sorry, I didn't realize that it was just that you were totally ignorant (until recently, obviously) of what those symbols meant.
Did you also know that this whole thread could have been avoided if you had googled "Kosher tax myth" before you posted?
"If you're looking for someone to pull you out of that ditch, you're out of luck."
Ohhhh I get it- my bad. I thought the thread was to point out to the masses that unbeknownst to them, portions of their pantries are certified kosher- sorry, I didn't realize that it was just that you were totally ignorant (until recently, obviously) of what those symbols meant.
Did you also know that this whole thread could have been avoided if you had googled "Kosher tax myth" before you posted?
I've seen every angle on it myth, hoax, conspiracy... you name it. This is the conclusion I feel that needs to be reached to resolve it in my opinion.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
This is where I strongly disagree. I've looked over the symbols and there is no K in Canada, the symbols vary by country, (if you weren't aware), so there goes that argument out the window. I see the capital U, the MK (sometimes its says pareve as well with the MK which is intelligent), and a lot of COR. The majority is COR with a number indicating the branch office.
As a consumer there is no way in hell I'm going to know what all this means, I would have to contact the company, but who does that, and why should I have to? Kosher is a specialty food for a rather small and particular religious sect....at least that is my understanding.
Here on earth is is really easy to use this thing called words...they work amazing in the right application.
That's all... label food properly and comprehensively. Simple...end of story.
I'm sure the kosher crowd could benefit from it as well instead of memorizing a bunch of stupid logos... what if you travel? think about it... they are all going to be different.
Is it so hard to print 6 little letters? or at least standardize it?
I'm thinking probably not.
I am not much of a globe trotter these days. Most people probably aren't. Learn the symbols for your area. I still maintain it isn't very hard. So, in no way can varying letters be deceptive. I don't think this is a big issue to almost anyone who isn't trying to be Kosher. And if you're a Kosher world traveler, my guess is you would know what all the symbols are anyway or could learn them in a couple of minutes. I'm sorry. To me, this is just such a non-issue.
I should perhaps stop asking people to think about stuff in my threads. It's looking pretty bleak...
Read post #63... I'm not going outside the implications of food labeling and packaging practices. The food itself is another universe.
Again I could care less if they packaged rancid feces and slapped a kosher label on it. Make it obvious in plain English for everyone.
thanks...the end.
Not everyone speaks English. However, most people do recognize a short set of symbols. I haven't traveled a LOT, but enough to know that in much of Europe, you use the WC every now and again, in England, the loo or privy, a water closet here and there, damas in Spain, bano in Mexico, etc. All of those mean bathroom. People do manage to find them despite there being a much longer list of terms for the same place than there symbols for Kosher. Honestly, creatures who can send machines to the stars can probably figure out a handful of terms pretty quickly.
You may find the symbols to be problematic, but I think you might be in a very small subset of people who do. Most people just don't care whether a food is Kosher or not. I would suspect a greater number care whether the food is certified organic or not.
Not everyone speaks English. However, most people do recognize a short set of symbols. I haven't traveled a LOT, but enough to know that in much of Europe, you use the WC every now and again, in England, the loo or privy, a water closet here and there, damas in Spain, bano in Mexico, etc. All of those mean bathroom. People do manage to find them despite there being a much longer list of terms for the same place than there symbols for Kosher. Honestly, creatures who can send machines to the stars can probably figure out a handful of terms pretty quickly.
You may find the symbols to be problematic, but I think you might be in a very small subset of people who do. Most people just don't care whether a food is Kosher or not. I would suspect a greater number care whether the food is certified organic or not.
You're kind of proving my point for standardizations. People that like Kosher food care enough to label it......right? It's also about not having to memorize a secret list of symbols to understand what you're buying. That's the whole point.
People don't care if some thing is certified organic or not? I think you're just flat out wrong on that one....sorry.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
You're kind of proving my point for standardizations. People that like Kosher food care enough to label it......right? It's also about not having to memorize a secret list of symbols to understand what you're buying. That's the whole point.
People don't care if some thing is certified organic or not? I think you're just flat out wrong on that one....sorry.
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Some people are very specific about what they eat, and like the buying process to be straightforward. and as confusion free as possible in this regard. People with illnesses, and health conscious types tend to make it a priority of understanding what it is they are buying with minimal effort. In general, I think clarity on the label helps every consumer. The implications of allowing cryptic labellings practices to become the norm are wide, and ill advised.
But everyone knows this already...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Some people are very specific about what they eat, and like the buying process to be straightforward. and as confusion free as possible in this regard. People with illnesses, and health conscious types tend to make it a priority of understanding what it is they are buying with minimal effort. In general, I think clarity on the label helps every consumer. The implications of allowing cryptic labellings practices to become the norm are wide, and ill advised.
But everyone knows this already...
I certainly would like to see the vegan label on any processed food that happens to be vegan. It sure would beat reading all of the ingredients.
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Presidents choice carries a health conscious line of products, that are clearly labeled as such at face value, but they go one step further and color code the entire product line with light blue packaging motifs to make it even easier to identify the product. I think it's brilliant. One nice example of going a step above in taking the guesswork out of the equation for the consumer.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
A coworker told me gummi bears are basically pure gelatin with food coloring and sugar.
She kept a huge bag in her desk at work, and would always offer them to me, even after telling me.
Uhhh no thanks...just more for you!
mmm...gummy..
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
You're paying an additional nominal fee for a Rabbi to certify these products.
Some argue it's supports Israel and their policies discretely. The verdict is still out for me.
Question: Do you think this is deceptive advertising?
Why do you care? All Kosher idenitification on products means is that it doesn't mix milk with meat. Big deal. Do you get as equally upset when products contain allergic alerts?
well....if you eat Chapmans Ice cream (amongst many others mainstream brands) or Heinz ketchup you're well on your way
I think practically every brand of cooking oil as well.
So many mainstream/everyday brand name food products packaging carry these cryptic kosher symbols. I not talking weird looking "kosher" packages here. Stuff you wouldn't even blink at to put in your cart. Products you would never even dream of being kosher.
Question to all....so is it up to me to adapt and memorize nondescript cryptic little symbols if I have a preference, because Kosher is becoming the norm?
hello?
seriously...why do you care? If you don't like buying Kosher food, then don't buy it. End of story.
seriously...why do you care? If you don't like buying Kosher food, then don't buy it. End of story.
Are you kidding me? I give up.... I think this place is incompetent...
How the ___ am I supposed to know is the point...
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Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Some people are very specific about what they eat, and like the buying process to be straightforward. and as confusion free as possible in this regard. People with illnesses, and health conscious types tend to make it a priority of understanding what it is they are buying with minimal effort. In general, I think clarity on the label helps every consumer. The implications of allowing cryptic labellings practices to become the norm are wide, and ill advised.
But everyone knows this already...
I'm sensitive to dairy. I don't eat products made with cheese, milk or whey. If I do, I get sick. It's easier to see if a food is Kosher than it is to see if has dairy in it. Sometimes the list of ingredients is extensive and in small print--I have bad eyesight, so I have brought products home only to have to return them. I wish someone would put an D in a circle for me so that I could easily, even my half-blind state, see that the product contains dairy.
Thank you.. One logical comprehensive voice. I was beginning to wonder what's going here. I have a bunch of them in my cupboard knowingly. No big deal. I do take issue about the labeling, as should everyone, if they actually used logic to operate their upstairs faculties.
This place was getting fucking scary until you showed up....lol
why?
as to your point in the first post about 'deceptive advertising'...i still don't see it? advertising WHAT? most people DON'T even notice, nor care. i am not religious, don't care one way or another. however, as i said, i live in an area with a HUGE jewish population and for some of them, being kosher is of utmost importance. it does not alter my food in any way, it is a small, discreet label.....so again, i have zero problem with it.
as to your point in the first post about 'deceptive advertising'...i still don't see it? advertising WHAT? most people DON'T even notice, nor care. i am not religious, don't care one way or another. however, as i said, i live in an area with a HUGE jewish population and for some of them, being kosher is of utmost importance. it does not alter my food in any way, it is a small, discreet label.....so again, i have zero problem with it.
It's all been said and done...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
i disagree.
i read through, and i still don't see where there is 'deceptive advertising'....? what are they advertising? how is it deceptive? if someone doesn't know what the symbol means, they can ask anyone who works in the grocery store and find out if they care to know. it really is that simple. as to advertsiing, i don't see ANYthing being 'advertised'...any more than another food being labelled fat free, organic, no trans fats, etc. it is telling you about ingredients and/or how it was packaged/processed. not advertising.
It doesn't really bother me as my girlfriend is Jewish so we eat a lot of Kosher foods anyway. Besides I don't know why it would bother anyone at all. Considering all the shit manufactorers put in foods now-a-days, it being kosher is the least of my worries.
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i disagree.
i read through, and i still don't see where there is 'deceptive advertising'....? what are they advertising? how is it deceptive? if someone doesn't know what the symbol means, they can ask anyone who works in the grocery store and find out if they care to know. it really is that simple. as to advertsiing, i don't see ANYthing being 'advertised'...any more than another food being labelled fat free, organic, no trans fats, etc. it is telling you about ingredients and/or how it was packaged/processed. not advertising.
You're kidding right? (obviously) You couldn't understand what I'm saying from reading the thread? I guess we can all play make believe while we hash through it all again.
I want clear concise labeling of food. I I don't want to encounter cryptic logos that I have to look up and vary from place to place to help me identify ANYTHING.
If I have to ask buddy in the grocery store it's broken. fix it.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
You're kidding right? (obviously) You couldn't understand what I'm saying from reading the thread? I guess we can all play make believe while we hash through it all again.
I want clear concise labeling of food. I I don't want to encounter cryptic logos that I have to look up and vary from place to place to help me identify ANYTHING.
If I have to ask buddy in the grocery store it's broken. fix it.
Kosher foods are labeled, like I said we have far more to be concerned about when it comes to our food besides it being Kosher or not. Half the ingredients in our food I have no idea what it even is. Maybe that should be more of a concern instead of the the Circled K or U or the PAREVE label on the box.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Kosher foods are labeled, like I said we have far more to be concerned about when it comes to our food besides it being Kosher or not. Half the ingredients in our food I have no idea what it even is. Maybe that should be more of a concern instead of the the Circled K or U or the PAREVE label on the box.
At least they are words, and I can recognize a chemical from basic ingredients like sugar, cocoa, butter, water, salt, flour, etc...quite easily.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
You're kidding right? (obviously) You couldn't understand what I'm saying from reading the thread? I guess we can all play make believe while we hash through it all again.
I want clear concise labeling of food. I I don't want to encounter cryptic logos that I have to look up and vary from place to place to help me identify ANYTHING.
If I have to ask buddy in the grocery store it's broken. fix it.
You mean you want the government to step in and start writing and enforcing laws against private food manufacturers?
The different "secret" symbols you're talking about here - which are only secret if the definition of secret is "something RolandTD20Kdrummer didn't know about" - not only designate something as "Kosher," but also the private Jewish organization that designated it. A quick internet search broke it down for me as follows:
Circled "U" = certified by the Orthodox Union
cRc = the Chicago Rabbinical Council
KOF-K (the weird "K" with the flag-looking stuff around it) = KOF-K Kosher Supervision
K in a triangle = Triangle-K and Associates, Inc.
K in a star = Star-K Kosher Certification Agency
There are also quite a few others. Just as with all other religious denominations and their ingrained dogmas, there are different interpretations of what constitutes "Kosher." As such, different organizations have arisen to meet the needs of the "Kosher" market. What you seem to be implying is that the government should step in and "normalize" this labeling practice - essentially taking away from Jews the right to determine for themselves which organization and method to recognize.
And before I'm accused of "missing the point," I also want to add that none of these symbols are required. It's voluntary. If a food company doesn't want or care about Jewish customers, or they deal in pork, shellfish, or meat in cream sauce, then they don't have to label anything.
To the vast majority of the population, these symbols mean nothing. They do, however, mean a lot to Kosher Jews and (I shit you not) White Supremacists.
You mean you want the government to step in and start writing and enforcing laws against private food manufacturers?
The different "secret" symbols you're talking about here - which are only secret if the definition of secret is "something RolandTD20Kdrummer didn't know about" - not only designate something as "Kosher," but also the private Jewish organization that designated it. A quick internet search broke it down for me as follows:
Circled "U" = certified by the Orthodox Union
cRc = the Chicago Rabbinical Council
KOF-K (the weird "K" with the flag-looking stuff around it) = KOF-K Kosher Supervision
K in a triangle = Triangle-K and Associates, Inc.
K in a star = Star-K Kosher Certification Agency
There are also quite a few others. Just as with all other religious denominations and their ingrained dogmas, there are different interpretations of what constitutes "Kosher." As such, different organizations have arisen to meet the needs of the "Kosher" market. What you seem to be implying is that the government should step in and "normalize" this labeling practice - essentially taking away from Jews the right to determine for themselves which organization and to recognize.
And before I'm accused of "missing the point," I also want to add that none of these symbols are required. It's voluntary. If a food company doesn't want or care about Jewish customers, or they deal in pork, shellfish, or meat in cream sauce, then they don't have to label anything.
To the vast majority of the population, these symbols mean nothing. They do, however, mean a lot to Kosher Jews and (I shit you not) White Supremacists.
Well if it isn't Kosher, don't put a label. Makes sense. If it is, advertise it so that it also makes sense at face value without the semantics of having to "be in the know"
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Most people are not so culturally illiterate that they don't know what the K stands for. I've known about it since elementary school. I can hardly imagine being able to reach adulthood having no idea about something so everyday. If you really don't know what the K stands for, find out. It isn't hard. It can't be deceptive if you can readily find out what something stands for. This is not a state secret we're talking about requiring a special clearance to access the info, after all.
http://ask.yahoo.com/20011109.html
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I also cannot understand what the big deal is on eating such foods. I've eaten them all my life and, although I admire the Jewish faith, I have not yet become Jewish through the eating of Kosher foods or any other means. I have also eaten vegetables all of my life without becoming a full-blown vegetarian--not that I haven't tried on this front. I just can't give up my virus-infested poultry.
Bottom line, I don't care if my food has been blessed or declared fit for consumption by rabbis, priests, witch doctors, Vedder impersonators, or others. It's all the same to me. Either it's nutritious and tastes good, or it's out the door, where my dogs could try to eat the stuff with MY blessings.
This is where I strongly disagree. I've looked over the symbols and there is no K in Canada, the symbols vary by country, (if you weren't aware), so there goes that argument out the window. I see the capital U, the MK (sometimes its says pareve as well with the MK which is intelligent), and a lot of COR. The majority is COR with a number indicating the branch office.
As a consumer there is no way in hell I'm going to know what all this means, I would have to contact the company, but who does that, and why should I have to? Kosher is a specialty food for a rather small and particular religious sect....at least that is my understanding.
Here on earth is is really easy to use this thing called words...they work amazing in the right application.
That's all... label food properly and comprehensively. Simple...end of story.
I'm sure the kosher crowd could benefit from it as well instead of memorizing a bunch of stupid logos... what if you travel? think about it... they are all going to be different.
Is it so hard to print 6 little letters? or at least standardize it?
I'm thinking probably not.
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You are really crossing the line with your holocaust comment. I really hope you learn to deal with your hatred. Your poorly-veiled comments do not fool anyone.
There are always a hundred and one alternatives to things, even buying Kosher. Just as the supermarkets want to make the $$ off of those who keep Kosher, so do they want to make $$ from the white supremacists. Seriously if you have such a problem with it, go have a cheeseburger. You'll be cured.
In all fairness situations like that take place because people don't question their govt critically until it's too late to do anything about it. That's what happened in case you're wondering. I harbor no hatred except for those that impose it on others in scales of magnitude. (read: corrupt govt)
you are free to paint your picture of me with your various paint colors.. it doesn't affect me or what is real for me in my reality.
Basically you disagree and wish to smear me in the process...that's fine I can see right through that as well No suprises... It's a common tactic.
I could elaborate at length, but why bother. been there done that...more than a few times, and enough to know what's up.
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I should perhaps stop asking people to think about stuff in my threads. It's looking pretty bleak...
Read post #63... I'm not going outside the implications of food labeling and packaging practices. The food itself is another universe.
Again I could care less if they packaged rancid feces and slapped a kosher label on it. Make it obvious in plain English for everyone.
thanks...the end.
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Did you also know that this whole thread could have been avoided if you had googled "Kosher tax myth" before you posted?
I've seen every angle on it myth, hoax, conspiracy... you name it. This is the conclusion I feel that needs to be reached to resolve it in my opinion.
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I am not much of a globe trotter these days. Most people probably aren't. Learn the symbols for your area. I still maintain it isn't very hard. So, in no way can varying letters be deceptive. I don't think this is a big issue to almost anyone who isn't trying to be Kosher. And if you're a Kosher world traveler, my guess is you would know what all the symbols are anyway or could learn them in a couple of minutes. I'm sorry. To me, this is just such a non-issue.
Not everyone speaks English. However, most people do recognize a short set of symbols. I haven't traveled a LOT, but enough to know that in much of Europe, you use the WC every now and again, in England, the loo or privy, a water closet here and there, damas in Spain, bano in Mexico, etc. All of those mean bathroom. People do manage to find them despite there being a much longer list of terms for the same place than there symbols for Kosher. Honestly, creatures who can send machines to the stars can probably figure out a handful of terms pretty quickly.
You may find the symbols to be problematic, but I think you might be in a very small subset of people who do. Most people just don't care whether a food is Kosher or not. I would suspect a greater number care whether the food is certified organic or not.
You're kind of proving my point for standardizations. People that like Kosher food care enough to label it......right? It's also about not having to memorize a secret list of symbols to understand what you're buying. That's the whole point.
People don't care if some thing is certified organic or not? I think you're just flat out wrong on that one....sorry.
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all i check for is gelatine.
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I certainly would like to see the vegan label on any processed food that happens to be vegan. It sure would beat reading all of the ingredients.
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Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
Presidents choice carries a health conscious line of products, that are clearly labeled as such at face value, but they go one step further and color code the entire product line with light blue packaging motifs to make it even easier to identify the product. I think it's brilliant. One nice example of going a step above in taking the guesswork out of the equation for the consumer.
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A coworker told me gummi bears are basically pure gelatin with food coloring and sugar.
She kept a huge bag in her desk at work, and would always offer them to me, even after telling me.
Uhhh no thanks...just more for you!
mmm...gummy..
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mmmmm indeed.
thank goodness for black licorice i say.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Are you kidding me? I give up.... I think this place is incompetent...
How the ___ am I supposed to know is the point...
acckk
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I'm sensitive to dairy. I don't eat products made with cheese, milk or whey. If I do, I get sick. It's easier to see if a food is Kosher than it is to see if has dairy in it. Sometimes the list of ingredients is extensive and in small print--I have bad eyesight, so I have brought products home only to have to return them. I wish someone would put an D in a circle for me so that I could easily, even my half-blind state, see that the product contains dairy.
why?
as to your point in the first post about 'deceptive advertising'...i still don't see it? advertising WHAT? most people DON'T even notice, nor care. i am not religious, don't care one way or another. however, as i said, i live in an area with a HUGE jewish population and for some of them, being kosher is of utmost importance. it does not alter my food in any way, it is a small, discreet label.....so again, i have zero problem with it.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
It's all been said and done...
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i disagree.
i read through, and i still don't see where there is 'deceptive advertising'....? what are they advertising? how is it deceptive? if someone doesn't know what the symbol means, they can ask anyone who works in the grocery store and find out if they care to know. it really is that simple. as to advertsiing, i don't see ANYthing being 'advertised'...any more than another food being labelled fat free, organic, no trans fats, etc. it is telling you about ingredients and/or how it was packaged/processed. not advertising.
Let's just breathe...
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You're kidding right? (obviously) You couldn't understand what I'm saying from reading the thread? I guess we can all play make believe while we hash through it all again.
I want clear concise labeling of food. I I don't want to encounter cryptic logos that I have to look up and vary from place to place to help me identify ANYTHING.
If I have to ask buddy in the grocery store it's broken. fix it.
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Kosher foods are labeled, like I said we have far more to be concerned about when it comes to our food besides it being Kosher or not. Half the ingredients in our food I have no idea what it even is. Maybe that should be more of a concern instead of the the Circled K or U or the PAREVE label on the box.
At least they are words, and I can recognize a chemical from basic ingredients like sugar, cocoa, butter, water, salt, flour, etc...quite easily.
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The different "secret" symbols you're talking about here - which are only secret if the definition of secret is "something RolandTD20Kdrummer didn't know about" - not only designate something as "Kosher," but also the private Jewish organization that designated it. A quick internet search broke it down for me as follows:
Circled "U" = certified by the Orthodox Union
cRc = the Chicago Rabbinical Council
KOF-K (the weird "K" with the flag-looking stuff around it) = KOF-K Kosher Supervision
K in a triangle = Triangle-K and Associates, Inc.
K in a star = Star-K Kosher Certification Agency
There are also quite a few others. Just as with all other religious denominations and their ingrained dogmas, there are different interpretations of what constitutes "Kosher." As such, different organizations have arisen to meet the needs of the "Kosher" market. What you seem to be implying is that the government should step in and "normalize" this labeling practice - essentially taking away from Jews the right to determine for themselves which organization and method to recognize.
And before I'm accused of "missing the point," I also want to add that none of these symbols are required. It's voluntary. If a food company doesn't want or care about Jewish customers, or they deal in pork, shellfish, or meat in cream sauce, then they don't have to label anything.
To the vast majority of the population, these symbols mean nothing. They do, however, mean a lot to Kosher Jews and (I shit you not) White Supremacists.
Well if it isn't Kosher, don't put a label. Makes sense. If it is, advertise it so that it also makes sense at face value without the semantics of having to "be in the know"
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